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Iracundus wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
Or, it is just easier to grow it that way from the same pattern.

Human tech in 40K doesn't seem so linear in terms of progression. You have lasers, missiles, conventional cannons, melta, plasma, and wait, suddenly funky stuff like graviton beam, conversion beam, mole mortars,

Eldar don't seem to have such sudden departures. They seem to just have certain main lines: shuriken, lasers, plasma, melta, distortion, missile pods, monofilament, vibro. Pretty much everything they have is a variation of these.

Well in the grim arcanotech future of the 41st millenium, the Eldar are supposed to be masters of technology. Maybe in their minds this is the perfect, elegant and functional form?

@UNCLEBADTOUCH I disagree. The chest is to accommodate a pilot that the others do not. The fins, are a generator, so large ones become a target, they are slightly more protected how they are positioned from frontal attacks. The legs have always been unnaturally long for wraith constructs. Do you really need longer arms? It is a massive engine of war, it only needs them to carry weapons, and move things in it's way. The sword is quite long, so it makes up for any CC deficiency.

The Knight is hot, I'll need 2.

Of course it had to be a Iyanden supplement, those are my boys.

Now I have to buy a Codex and a Supplement.

 megatrons2nd wrote:
@ Iricandus(sorry for misspelling) I disagree. The chest is to accommodate a pilot that the others do not. The fins, are a generator, so large ones become a target, they are slightly more protected how they are positioned from frontal attacks. The legs have always been unnaturally long for wraith constructs. Do you really need longer arms? It is a massive engine of war, it only needs them to carry weapons, and move things in it's way. The sword is quite long, so it makes up for any CC deficiency.

You are addressing the wrong person. UNCLEBADTOUCH had those points of critique, not me.

The blurb in the WD leak about the codex also says that there is a 'host of new miniatures'. That's cool since a lot of opinions seemed to think that we wouldn't see too many. Wonder what GW's definition of a 'host' is...

I love the idea of the codex supplement, too. Hoping they bring out more for some other craftworlds - will be great for being able to use models in different slots (hopefully), like wraithguard as troops for Iyanden etc etc. This is a real surprise to me as I hadn't seen any rumours about a supplement. It's a crafty way of GW squeezing more money out of me but I don't mind in this case as I'd been hoping for Craftworld specific books...

I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
however GW haven't you can see the re-used components from the wraithlord but scaled up.

Find one.

Iracundus wrote:

 megatrons2nd wrote:
@ Iricandus(sorry for misspelling) I disagree. The chest is to accommodate a pilot that the others do not. The fins, are a generator, so large ones become a target, they are slightly more protected how they are positioned from frontal attacks. The legs have always been unnaturally long for wraith constructs. Do you really need longer arms? It is a massive engine of war, it only needs them to carry weapons, and move things in it's way. The sword is quite long, so it makes up for any CC deficiency.

You are addressing the wrong person. UNCLEBADTOUCH had those points of critique, not me.

Yeah, sorry about that, your name was in front of the critique, and my mind made it your comment. Bad mind, learn to read, mind. I will give it a flogging later. Right now it needs to process the pretty picture of the Wraithknight.

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES! YEEEEEESS!!

MOAR, MOAAAAAAAAAR GIANT MECHS!! HAHAHA, I can't believe how excited I am to have Riptides AND Wraithknights on the same side of the table!! HAHAHA!!

Knightmare wing, I shall call thee!! And have a Zero themed Eldar, just for the Code Geass giggles

*ahem* Sorry, I'm just freakin' impressed and happy with this latest development

reaper with no name wrote:
I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

I would argue they make sense in the opposite order. The Eldar have always had spirit stones and life-like constructs with smooth movements such as the Revenant and Phantom Titans. Then the Tau have had their piloted battlesuit theme since they were introduced. It's the DK that is the most out of character and theme.

Now that I look at the Wraithknight more, I think the shoulder weapons break up the silhouette of the whole. Thinking whether having it hold them in the left arm might not have been a better option so it ends up with weapons in both hands, like the Dire Avenger Exarch with dual catapults.

Well that's a convenient 'leak' while everyone is drooling over 30k stuff. What are the odds that a month after everyone got scared off publishing WD pics these turn up the customary week before WD is released. Sorry GW but FW told me what's coming and showed pictures so I'm not spending money on your 40k stuff for the next six months.

Bloodwin wrote:
Well that's a convenient 'leak' while everyone is drooling over 30k stuff. What are the odds that a month after everyone got scared off publishing WD pics these turn up the customary week before WD is released. Sorry GW but FW told me what's coming and showed pictures so I'm not spending money on your 40k stuff for the next six months.

Well, since GW owns FW, I don't think they mind that at all

Iracundus wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:
I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

I would argue they make sense in the opposite order. The Eldar have always had spirit stones and life-like constructs with smooth movements such as the Revenant and Phantom Titans. Then the Tau have had their piloted battlesuit theme since they were introduced. It's the DK that is the most out of character and theme.

Now that I look at the Wraithknight more, I think the shoulder weapons break up the silhouette of the whole. Thinking whether having it hold them in the left arm might not have been a better option so it ends up with weapons in both hands, like the Dire Avenger Exarch with dual catapults.

I would agree with you that the Eldar deserve one, except for one little detail.

They already have the Wraithlord. The Wraithknight appears to be a bigger Wraithlord with a pilot. Do we really need everything to have a bigger cousin?

 His Master's Voice wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
however GW haven't you can see the re-used components from the wraithlord but scaled up.

Find one.

I found about a dozen that have been scaled and re-surfaced that's why I commented but thanks for asking x

reaper with no name wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:
I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

I would argue they make sense in the opposite order. The Eldar have always had spirit stones and life-like constructs with smooth movements such as the Revenant and Phantom Titans. Then the Tau have had their piloted battlesuit theme since they were introduced. It's the DK that is the most out of character and theme.

Now that I look at the Wraithknight more, I think the shoulder weapons break up the silhouette of the whole. Thinking whether having it hold them in the left arm might not have been a better option so it ends up with weapons in both hands, like the Dire Avenger Exarch with dual catapults.

I would agree with you that the Eldar deserve one, except for one little detail.

They already have the Wraithlord. The Wraithknight appears to be a bigger Wraithlord with a pilot. Do we really need everything to have a bigger cousin?

The Revenant is the next step up. However what I question is why have a Wraithknight then. If 1 Eldar can control a Revenant, why have 1 Eldar control a Wraithknight? For a dwindling race, surely it makes more sense to put your living in as powerful a construct as possible? Even more so if they are meant to be twins, which have to be rare. Revenants are portrayed as being fielded in pairs, piloted by relatives, such as twins. Wraithknight fluff paragraph says one is pilot and one is dead and in a stone. Why not keep the living one in a Revenant?

So... Eldar+Tau allies, 4 of these giant mecha on the table at once? Plus additional wraithlords depending on slot.
The wraithknight looks significantly taller than even the riptide.

Iracundus wrote:
First Wraithknight image up:

Spoiler:

Iracundus wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:
I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

I would argue they make sense in the opposite order. The Eldar have always had spirit stones and life-like constructs with smooth movements such as the Revenant and Phantom Titans. Then the Tau have had their piloted battlesuit theme since they were introduced. It's the DK that is the most out of character and theme.

Now that I look at the Wraithknight more, I think the shoulder weapons break up the silhouette of the whole. Thinking whether having it hold them in the left arm might not have been a better option so it ends up with weapons in both hands, like the Dire Avenger Exarch with dual catapults.

That's exactly what I thought. The Riptide makes sense as it's a logical progression of Tau battlesuit technology, and the Eldar have had large walker models like the Wraithknight for 25 years, both in Epic scale, and one made by Armorcast. the Dreadknight is this wierd, ugly thing tacked onto a Marine army, so that Marine players don't feel left out of anything other armies might have. When it came out I wondered why the hell marines would get something like that instead of Eldar and Tau.

The Towering Destroyer knight from Epic 40K has existed since the 1990's in 28mm scale. It's awesome, but I think the Wraithknight fits the Eldar aesthetic even more, especially with how Wraithlords are modeled currently. So a "Giant Wraithlord" has precedent, because back then, that was essentially what the Towering Destroyer was.


Towering Destroyers go for far too much on Ebay, so I will gladly think about picking up Wraithknight if I can't get a TD for cheaper, even though it will be 85 bucks (speculation based on Riptide).

 AegisGrimm wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:
I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

I would argue they make sense in the opposite order. The Eldar have always had spirit stones and life-like constructs with smooth movements such as the Revenant and Phantom Titans. Then the Tau have had their piloted battlesuit theme since they were introduced. It's the DK that is the most out of character and theme.

Now that I look at the Wraithknight more, I think the shoulder weapons break up the silhouette of the whole. Thinking whether having it hold them in the left arm might not have been a better option so it ends up with weapons in both hands, like the Dire Avenger Exarch with dual catapults.

That's exactly what I thought. The Riptide makes sense as it's a logical progression of Tau battlesuit technology, and the Eldar have had large walker models like the Wraithknight for 25 years, both in Epic scale, and one made by Armorcast. the Dreadknight is this wierd, ugly thing tacked onto a Marine army, so that Marine players don't feel left out of anything other armies might have. When it came out I wondered why the hell marines would get something like that instead of Eldar and Tau.

The Towering Destroyer knight from Epic 40K has existed since the 1990's in 28mm scale. It's awesome, but I think the Wraithknight fits the Eldar aesthetic even more, especially with how Wraithlords are modeled currently. So a "Giant Wraithlord" has precedent, because back then, that was essentially what the Towering Destroyer was.


Towering Destroyers go for far too much on Ebay, so I will gladly think about picking up Wraithknight if I can't get a TD for cheaper, even though it will be 85 bucks (speculation based on Riptide).

So, you're telling me it's a good idea for Eldar to have Wraithguard, Wraithlords (the Wraithguard's bigger cousin), and a Wraithknight (the Wraithlord's bigger cousin) all in the same army, instead of, oh, I don't know, something actually unique?

I'm sorry, but that's just silly. Next we'll be seeing SupahMegaNobz (bigger MegaNobz), Mercy Engines (bigger Penitent Engines), and Demon Kings (bigger Daemon Princes).

Remember, GW paid some modeler to make this thing, instead of something that was actually new. If they're not even going to bother making something new, why even make a new model? It's a blatant money grab.

Think of the potential they squandered. We could have had a pretty new aspect warrior or a shiny new vehicle. Instead, we (or rather, the Eldar players) are going to be stuck with Wraithlord version 2.0.

And why on Earth would the Wraithlord's bigger cousin be named the Wraithknight? At the very least, it's name should reflect the relationship it has with the Wraithlord.

I think the Codex supplement is a pretty big deal. What else might be released? Black Templars? Ulthwe? Mentor Legion? Snake Bites? Etc etc..interesting precedent.

I'll probably get slaughtered but still think a bright stallion equivalent would have been a smarter move, a centaur like model would have filled the oval base nicely with its four legs. Would have brought something stylistically new to the table yet still been able to maintain the eldar design ethos especially in the torso with could have sympathetically echoed the other existing wraith constructs.

It's feels like the consequence of one or more of the following, not enough talent, not enough time or not enough care.

That's a hell of a lot of doom an gloom to be extrapolating from one picture of one new unit.

How about you wait for the rest of the release before condemning it to the bin?

If no aspects are updated, or nothing new is released that makes the grade of unique and "totally Eldar" then I think you have a right to complain.

From what I can see, the original knights have been updated to fit the current aesthetic of 6th edition, and I like it. The babushka doll effect of the wraith guard, wraith lord, revenant, phantom, has been missing a step. This fills it, very well, and stylishly.

I can't wait to get one and paint it.

*edit* re-reading that it comes across as more combative then I intended. Sorry. I just think that we should see what else they have in store before writing off the Eldar or throwing out armies. Just my $.02

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
I'll probably get slaughtered but still think a bright stallion equivalent would have been a smarter move, a centaur like model would have filled the oval base nicely with its four legs. Would have brought something stylistically new to the table yet still been able to maintain the eldar design ethos especially in the torso with could have sympathetically echoed the other existing wraith constructs.

It's feels like the consequence of one or more of the following, not enough talent, not enough time or not enough care.

I actually was hoping for the Bright Stallion.

GW has been moving Eldar since 2nd edition away from the old bony organic style and away from the weirdness of things like the Bright Stallion, old boat styled Wave Serpent, and chicken walker style Revenant towards more mainstream themes. When the Falcon tank was released for 40K, the interview with Jes Goodwin said they were aiming for a more high tech style. Also the audience being human will have a tendency to empathize more with humanoid shapes especially when it is a major showcase unit or army leader. The only real exceptions I can think of offhand would be the Tyranids (but then the army is the whole Aliens theme anyway) and the Necron Destroyer Lord.

Iracundus wrote:
GW has been moving Eldar since 2nd edition away from the old bony organic style and away from the weirdness of things like the Bright Stallion, old boat styled Wave Serpent, and chicken walker style Revenant towards more mainstream themes. When the Falcon tank was released for 40K, the interview with Jes Goodwin said they were aiming for a more high tech style. Also the audience being human will have a tendency to empathize more with humanoid shapes especially when it is a major showcase unit or army leader. The only real exceptions I can think of offhand would be the Tyranids (but then the army is the whole Aliens theme anyway) and the Necron Destroyer Lord.

You can't argue against


It's just adorable!

Well, in all truth it does look a bit organic.

reaper with no name wrote:

Iracundus wrote:

reaper with no name wrote:
I like how no one mentioned the typo.

"alongside him in one the Wraithknight's spirit stones".

Also, really? The DK was bad, the Riptide made perfect sense, and this thing is unnecessary to the point of wearing out the novelty of MCs that aren't actually creatures.

They must really be scraping the bottom of the barrel if the only model ideas they can come up with now are fliers and MCs.

I would argue they make sense in the opposite order. The Eldar have always had spirit stones and life-like constructs with smooth movements such as the Revenant and Phantom Titans. Then the Tau have had their piloted battlesuit theme since they were introduced. It's the DK that is the most out of character and theme.

Now that I look at the Wraithknight more, I think the shoulder weapons break up the silhouette of the whole. Thinking whether having it hold them in the left arm might not have been a better option so it ends up with weapons in both hands, like the Dire Avenger Exarch with dual catapults.

I would agree with you that the Eldar deserve one, except for one little detail.

They already have the Wraithlord. The Wraithknight appears to be a bigger Wraithlord with a pilot. Do we really need everything to have a bigger cousin?

Everyone? Nope. But given that this is basically a Knight, albeit not named any of the classic Eldar Knight names, and Eldar have had Knights for far longer than Tau have existed or GK have had more than Terminators, this makes a lot more sense than either of those.


Added: These are going to make a heck of an entourage for my 3 Armorcast Phantoms and 3 FW Revenants.

I think the Wraithknight and Wraithlord look very different personally. The Wraithknight is much closer to the shape of a large person than the Lord, which has a small torso, wide hips, arms extending down fromwell away from the torso, an overly large head and much spindlier limbs.

More stuff for my eldar wraith army, cant argue with that
Just really hoping guard will stay as a troop option :/

Someone has been hitting the Gym.
Still upset it isnt the Bright Stallion.

I think I can get used to the flyer and walker model, although I am a bit miffed about the lazy design of the Eldar Riptide:
Again just rescaled medium walker (Tau: Crisis Suit, Eldar: Wraithlord) with tiny head, big gun in the right and shield in the left.
Flyer looks more like Dark Eldar than the Dark Eldar flyer.

Keep in mind that ATM we only know about a digital Iyanden supplement, although a printed version seems likely.