Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Davor**

Goresaw wrote:
Here's a roughly done size comparison. I took a pic of the riptide at roughly the same base angle, and then made the bases roughly the same size.

http://i43.tinypic.com/11jmyxe.jpg

The riptide, which is already a massive model, is absolutely dwarfed by this thing.

Or maybe this thing isn't on an oval base. Thats always a possibility.

EDIT: Yeah, I think the only thing that makes sense is the Wraithknight is on the same sized base as the Wraithlord. Just a standard dreadnought base.

Its going to be much bigger than the wraithlord and probably roughly riptide size.

Wow, if true, how much, will that cost? Maybe $150 Cnd.

**tarnish**

Goresaw wrote:

EDIT: Yeah, I think the only thing that makes sense is the Wraithknight is on the same sized base as the Wraithlord. Just a standard dreadnought base.

Its going to be much bigger than the wraithlord and probably roughly riptide size.

I do believe you are right there mate. Considering the general scale of things in 40k and the relative "bulk" of other releases i would say its probably on a 60mm or "dreadnought sized" base.

**Azreal13**

DarkTraveler777 wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:

I wonder if the flyer is the voidraven bomber and both eldar armies get to use it? That would boost sales for it.

Oh I hope this is the case!

Goresaw wrote:

Its like GW saw PP's gargantuan line and say "oh yeah, we can do that too!" but instead of making varied and distinct looking large models, they're just cloning the same formula.

I don't follow this line of reasoning. Even if GW saw PP's Colossals and thought "Hm...we need over-sized models" who cares as long as players get cool new mega-models to play with and that fit within the aesthetic of each army. Just because Tau got a big mecha before Eldar did that means the space elves have to go without? And because PP came out with Colossals last year GW can't include big models for this year's release? Is PP guilty of copying Forge World's titans? Or hell, Armorcast's Titans and large scale Battlemechs from last decade? I am honestly confused here. Or is your comment really just about two large battle suits having a gun and shield in a game that involves shooting and melee combat?

Seriously, not trying to be a pain, I am just really confused by some of the responses shown online since these photos were posted. If you don't like how the new Eldar suit looks, okay. If you don't like each new codex release featuring an over-sized model, that is okay too (though I feel the opposite). But I fail to see how this Eldar model is derivative of other faction's or even other companies models.

I plan on getting one and I am going to have it painted up to match my Harlequin Revenant Titan because this new suit bears a lot of similarities to the FW Eldar titans in my opinion.

For me, it's not an objection to large models. It's the fact that anyone who has followed the 40K could have reasonably predicted this in the absence of any rumours. GW appear to have adopted a formula with regard to army updates, and abandoned any apparent attempt at creativity, innovation or respect for the history of the faction. Yes, the Riptide fits the Tau in numerous ways, and that's probably why it's been largely positively accepted. This...thing, while I don't dislike it in a vacuum, is further evidence of GW pandering to the mythical teen fanboy while showing contempt for the vets.

When it comes to wargaming, homogenisation is not cool.

**Agamemnon2**

At the moment, I'm much more interested in seeing the plastic Warseer assembled than the wraithwalker or the flyer. Those, I have no use for in my allied Eldar contingent. Since there's no rumors of new Jetbikes, aspects or plastic harlequins, this release wave does not even tempt me.

tarnish wrote:
Every single time something new gets released from GW its the same thing: Some autistic and overtly paranoid "pro gamers" cry out in dismay and wail in unison that this will destroy said race and the game will die horribly because of this new addition.
Get... over..it! The model is comming and there is nothing you can do about it. Stop crying, gather your 2nd ed minis and go pretend its the past in a closet without internet connection.

Thank you for that constructive putdown, Sir. I'm sure we're all resting more peacefully in our beds knowing that a wit of Sir's caliber is deployed in the defence of poor, beleaguered Games Workshop. And might I congratulate Sir on the rare double-whammy of insulting both the autistic and everyone who deigns to disagree with Sir on a matter as vital to universal happiness as the aesthetics of a plastic figurine.

Truly, we are in the presence of giants.

His Master's Voice wrote:
Using quotes from crappy movies to justify being a pr*ck is the new black I hear.

Compared to some of the excrement being flung around here, it's positively Shakespearean, i assure you.

**GTKA666**

Guys I can't find my wallet. As soon as I saw that pic of the Wraithknight I looked towards my wallet and saw that it was gone! I looked down the hall way in time to see it close the door to my room and lock itself in. Somebody is a little shy me thinks.

O and Wraithknight= New unit to attract fire while the WL s free to roam and eat the babies of the SM! No more T1 WL deaths!

**pretre**

Wow. That sucker is cool!

**Daston**

I'm pretty sure there is fluff of Eldar using Knights back in the Titan Legion books. Didn't the Imperium base their Knights off the Eldar

**Wise Guy Sam**

Personally I love it and will get at least 1 no matter the rules.

**PleaseDontExplode**

Nice. Looks like it may top by a good five inches. The revenant is only 12"-ish, and looks much more traditionally Eldar-esque. Shy of some decent third party parts to replace those arms and the torso, I'm quite happy with just proxying revenant in.

**AegisGrimm**

I'm pretty sure there is fluff of Eldar using Knights back in the Titan Legion books. Didn't the Imperium base their Knights off the Eldar

Who really knows? If you are a fan of modern fluff, they probably got it as a result of technology the Grey Knights got in trade from the Necrons, lol.

Don't listen to me though, I'm evidently the bad guy of this thread because I am insulting so many people. I love how everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if my opinion is that everyone is overreacting, I get laid into to the point of insults and name-calling.

**zedmeister**

I like it. Reminds me of a Firegale: http://solegends.com/citcat19911/c2131epiceldarknights-00.htm

Remembering the backstory, I seem to remember Eldar Knights were used primarily by the Exodites - they'd use them to herd giant lizards around. And occasionally had to arm them up to fight against human interlopers...

**Capamaru**

I don' really like it. The head, back vines and hands are out of proportions (small). I see great conversion potential though and I hope that alternative poses might look better. On the other hand I strongly believe the rules are gonna be awesome so everyone is gonna buy this..

**Makumba**

I wonder how all chaos players will feel now that eldar get 2 codexs , with possible more in the future and they are stuck with one codex for all legions.

**milo**

azreal13 wrote:

For me, it's not an objection to large models. It's the fact that anyone who has followed the 40K could have reasonably predicted this in the absence of any rumours. GW appear to have adopted a formula with regard to army updates, and abandoned any apparent attempt at creativity, innovation or respect for the history of the faction. Yes, the Riptide fits the Tau in numerous ways, and that's probably why it's been largely positively accepted. This...thing, while I don't dislike it in a vacuum, is further evidence of GW pandering to the mythical teen fanboy while showing contempt for the vets.

When it comes to wargaming, homogenisation is not cool.

Well, Dark Angels didn't get a massive new mech. Tau did, but it logically makes sense that the one race which is still rapidly evolving in the universe would get some new gear. And now the Eldar, WHO HAVE ALWAYS HAD KNIGHTS, get to field one. I don't see how big models for two races is such a clear sign that everyone will get them now.

**Sidstyler**

Nevelon wrote:
Eldar already have a giant walking MC, bristling with guns and CC weapons. Why the new guy?

Because GW is content with the number of wraithlords they've sold and wants you to buy three more $100 models.

**Bloodhorror**

I don't mind the massive Models...

I'm just waiting for January for my Knight-agon!

A Massive Tyranid Creature that looks like a tyrant on Sterioids!

**launcelot7891**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

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I wonder if the flyer is the voidraven bomber and both eldar armies get to use it? That would boost sales for it.

I think you may be right. It looks almost identical to the Razorwing. That makes me sad though... I was hoping for something more unique.

Goresaw wrote:
Here's a roughly done size comparison. I took a pic of the riptide at roughly the same base angle, and then made the bases roughly the same size.

http://i43.tinypic.com/11jmyxe.jpg

The riptide, which is already a massive model, is absolutely dwarfed by this thing.

Or maybe this thing isn't on an oval base. Thats always a possibility.

EDIT: Yeah, I think the only thing that makes sense is the Wraithknight is on the same sized base as the Wraithlord. Just a standard dreadnought base.

Its going to be much bigger than the wraithlord and probably roughly riptide size.

I'm not so sure. Look at the scatter lasers on the shoulders. Unless they're a new kind of Eldar mini-laser, that's one big base.

milo wrote:
I don't see how big models for two races is such a clear sign that everyone will get them now.

Three races...

**Ctan_Overlord**

tarnish wrote:
Goresaw wrote:

EDIT: Yeah, I think the only thing that makes sense is the Wraithknight is on the same sized base as the Wraithlord. Just a standard dreadnought base.

Its going to be much bigger than the wraithlord and probably roughly riptide size.

I do believe you are right there mate. Considering the general scale of things in 40k and the relative "bulk" of other releases i would say its probably on a 60mm or "dreadnought sized" base.

I am pretty sure that it is on an oval base; the edge of the base is much thinner than a 60mm base would be at that scale, also rumors before stated that it 'towered' over flyers, which it would not come close to if it was scaled to a 60mm base.

So in short: your wallet will cry.

**Jackal**

launcelot is correct.
From what i see, those are scatter lasers on its shoulders.
This alone shows how bloody big it is.
Also, you can see pretty clearly its an oval base its on.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Daston wrote:
I'm pretty sure there is fluff of Eldar using Knights back in the Titan Legion books. Didn't the Imperium base their Knights off the Eldar

IIRC the exodite worlds (Eldar dino riders/space wood elfs) had knights to fight off giant lizards. The Imperial knight households were created to fight the exodites.

So yes.

**Ehsteve**

Honestly, it doesn't look like the Wraithknight is going to be such a massive degree bigger than the Riptide due to the angling involved. The base is turned as such that the end of the oval is actually pretty much directly facing towards the viewer. This allows they to fit more of the model in the picture than the side-facing riptide, which has the end of the oval bases facing to the direct left and right of the viewer. As such a direct comparison in which both bases are considered the same size will not work.

**lordofthegophers**

Here we go, using the best possible image I could find, the bases are at very similar angles and I have resized the Riptide so the base widths are 100% identical. Looks to me like the Wraithknight is very much on an oval base, but I could be wrong.

**Azreal13**

milo wrote:
azreal13 wrote:

For me, it's not an objection to large models. It's the fact that anyone who has followed the 40K could have reasonably predicted this in the absence of any rumours. GW appear to have adopted a formula with regard to army updates, and abandoned any apparent attempt at creativity, innovation or respect for the history of the faction. Yes, the Riptide fits the Tau in numerous ways, and that's probably why it's been largely positively accepted. This...thing, while I don't dislike it in a vacuum, is further evidence of GW pandering to the mythical teen fanboy while showing contempt for the vets.

When it comes to wargaming, homogenisation is not cool.

Well, Dark Angels didn't get a massive new mech. Tau did, but it logically makes sense that the one race which is still rapidly evolving in the universe would get some new gear. And now the Eldar, WHO HAVE ALWAYS HAD KNIGHTS, get to field one. I don't see how big models for two races is such a clear sign that everyone will get them now.

No, DA didn't get a walker, they got the Land Speeder Escalade. Same diff, still a large model which reeks of being shoe horned in to sell more product. Not that I'm opposed to a company trying to get money, but its just so obvious. This is a flawed example because of the existence of the FW model, but please understand the gist of the point I'm trying to make, if the Eldar needed a big, oval base kit, why not do a new Avatar? It would be more of a risk, sales wise, as existing Eldar player will own the old sculpt, but make it impressive enough and support it with rules to encourage tabletop use, and those players would reach for their wallets without hesitation.

But no, releasing a new kit, with no doubt very strong rules, is the way to go, because that's safe and all GW do is safe. Why risk giving your customers a choice about buying a new kit, and trusting your design team to make it good enough to make them want to, when you can churn out a new shiny, imagination not included, and effectively force those customers to buy, because you've made them such an important part of how the army works?

Oh, and I quite agree, Eldar have always had Knights, there's no need to shout about it, but this ain't them.

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milo wrote:
azreal13 wrote:
I don't see how big models for two races is such a clear sign that everyone will get them now.

I didn't say that, the quote tree is fethed.

**Kroothawk**

zedmeister wrote:
I do look forward to seeing what forgeworld will do in terms of resin expansions to the wraithknight. Firegales? Bright Stallions? Towering Destroyers?

Horus Heresy shoulder pads

I am looking forward to finally have rules for this one:

**Fezman**

Wraith Knight looks like a Wave Serpent Transformer. Transporting it could be interesting, to say the least.

At this rate, with the bigger is better approach, the next Guard Codex will have Warhounds...

**Asmodai Asmodean**

Kroothawk wrote:
zedmeister wrote:
I do look forward to seeing what forgeworld will do in terms of resin expansions to the wraithknight. Firegales? Bright Stallions? Towering Destroyers?

Horus Heresy shoulder pads

I am looking forward to finally have rules for this one:

Production Model EVA 04

WS 3 BS 4 STR 10 T 9 W 9 I9 A6 LD 8

Monstrous Creature, Relentless, It Will Not Die, Eternal Warrior
Weapons: Lance of Longinius, Pallet Gun

AT Field: The EVA generates a field which negates all physical attacks. It has a 2+ invulnerable save.
Lance of Longinius: Attacks using the lance wound Daemons on a 2+ in close combat and ignore invulnerable saves.
The Lance may be used once per game as a shooting attack, with the profile Range 168" Str 10 Ap 1. If used, the EVA may not use the lance for the rest of the game.
Pallet Gun: 48" Str 8 Ap 3 Assault 10

**The Cry of the Wind**

Ok, so to be fair, I haven't read pages 46 and 47 of the thread, so, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but...

I'm so glad that there is so much whining about the new Eldar, that means fussers won't be playing and potentially ruining an army I've been waiting on to be overhauled for awhile now.

I've been following this thread since it started with high anticipation and seeing the big wraithknight was really exciting for me til I saw all the whining and complaining and knee-jerk criticism about "this shouldn't be be this" or "its just this but different".

They finally put stuff out for the Eldar, they finally get some "teaser" pics posted and 9 times out of 10 there's b**tching.... you complainers are ridiculous.

If its that's the case, go play another game and leave us to our excitement without your negativity.

T-

**Azreal13**

Trogdor the Burninator wrote:
Ok, so to be fair, I haven't read pages 46 and 47 of the thread, so, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but...

I'm so glad that there is so much whining about the new Eldar, that means fussers won't be playing and potentially ruining an army I've been waiting on to be overhauled for awhile now.

I've been following this thread since it started with high anticipation and seeing the big wraithknight was really exciting for me til I saw all the whining and complaining and knee-jerk criticism about "this shouldn't be be this" or "its just this but different".

They finally put stuff out for the Eldar, they finally get some "teaser" pics posted and 9 times out of 10 there's b**tching.... you complainers are ridiculous.

If its that's the case, go play another game and leave us to our excitement without your negativity.

T-

Or you could go and skip through rainbows with unicorns and leave those that disagree with you to complain on the Internet?

Just sayin

**-Loki-**

Fezman wrote:
Wraith Knight looks like a Wave Serpent Transformer. Transporting it could be interesting, to say the least.

At this rate, with the bigger is better approach, the next Guard Codex will have Warhounds...

I wouldn't go that far. But I wouldn't be shocked at all for them to shoehorn the old Imperial Knights into the Guard codex.

At this point, I'm expecting Tyranids to get plastic Heirodules. Which makes me so HAPPY.

**Trondheim**

Just take all my money GW! TAKE THEM ALL!