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Wraith Knight looks pretty cool, IMO, really nice midpoint between a wraithlord and a titan.

Is it looking like this is going to be another one of those "2 new giant flyers, 1 new giant model, 1-2 new infantry units that *really* need remaking, remade and then the left gets left to rot for another 8 years" releases?

Eldar still have a fair amount of circa 1992 models in the range. They really need a dark eldar style overhaul with 10-12 plastic kits.

Codex supplement?,...why not just redo the Chapter Approved articles, and turn the WD into something really worth the money?

That's crazy talk, when you can pay to download it to the IPad you obviously have!

man I really hope this means that they will retroactively make some Legion specific supplemental books..

 morgendonner wrote:
man I really hope this means that they will retroactively make some Legion specific supplemental books..

All I can say is - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIlL0T2yTss

I would love to think (my Iron Warriors would love it too) that would happen, but I'll just point back to the link.

I don't know maybe its just the pic but those arms look way to small for the rest of the model.

My general impression is just "red" lots of red. Was hoping for a sleeker paint job that would make the model pop. Could be the pics though.

For them as wish to do a bunch of style comparisons and contrast:

Wraithguard

Old Dreadnaught/Wraithlord

Old Towering Destroyer

Old Revenant

Old Phantom

New Wraithlord

Wraithknight

New FW Revenant

New FW Phantom


My further impressions. I'd love the vanes on the back to be somewhat LESS knobby for her pleasure (In fact, in more looking at it, they do seem to have somewhat overdone the little "blister" knobs). I really do want to see the head from another angle (along with the arms and chest). Those are my only hesitant thoughts on this.

Aside from the comically barreled out chest I think the knight looks good. The arms I will reserve judgement until I can see it from another angle, and as for the legs - their length/thickness is very in keeping with the upscaled style. Lords are quite solid in the legs, even though some angle diminish this, and the phantom has massive thickness to its legs (granted to hold the massive model upright). In comparison to battlesuit legs or to imperial war machine legs they're often thinner.

Flyer looks great too. Will be interesting to see what the kit comes with as to what flyers I can use it as (outside of CWE).

I hate to be greedy, but I am still waiting on those Wraithguard. I actually am more interested in them and their placement in the FOC than I am about a really tall MC.

Slayer le boucher wrote:Codex supplement?,...why not just redo the Chapter Approved articles, and turn the WD into something really worth the money?

I don't think it's going to be a special army list with how much GW have pulled away from those sorts of artificial restrictions and just left it up to us to make our lists fluffy if we want.

I'm pretty sure it's just going to be some special scenarios and some optional rules a-la fighter aces and stuff like that.

syranas wrote:Flyer looks great too. Will be interesting to see what the kit comes with as to what flyers I can use it as (outside of CWE).

Yeah, I was really hoping it would maybe double as a Voidraven, I've been wanting it to get released for the longest time now, but it seems to lack the double canopy that I would expect for that.

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Codex supplement?,...why not just redo the Chapter Approved articles, and turn the WD into something really worth the money?

Because then people complain about having to try lug around multiple publications in order to have all of the rules.

Obviously GW thinks that people will be more receptive to the idea of going out and buying an iPad in order to have access to all of the rules for the game...


I'm curious to see how that works out for them.

Just spent a few minutes looking back and forth between the pic of the new flyer and one of my DE Razorwings. The overall feel is that both are evidently of a similar aesthetic, but there are enough striking differences in line and structure they're very distinctly different planes. Hopefully the full, clear view of it will live up to the rather small, blurry promise.

Why does everyone think that this Iyanden thing is an army list addition? Whilst I can no longer locate the pic, doesn't the text indicate it's more a extra missions/painting guide/fluff expansion than an army list addition?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why does everyone think that this Iyanden thing is an army list addition? Whilst I can no longer locate the pic, doesn't the text indicate it's more a extra missions/painting guide/fluff expansion than an army list addition?

It mentioned units too so there must be some extra goodies in there.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why does everyone think that this Iyanden thing is an army list addition? Whilst I can no longer locate the pic, doesn't the text indicate it's more a extra missions/painting guide/fluff expansion than an army list addition?

'along with new scenarios recreating the great battles of the craftworld, additional rules, a stunning showcase...'

The 'additional rules' part is causing the speculation.

Also, I don't know why people are thinking it's going to be iTunes only. it's on the page for digital downloads, but the page also has the codex itself and white dwarf, both of which obviously will be dual digital/physical releases.

Nothing yet has indicated it won't get a physical release.

Additional rules? Ok. New Warlord Traits and a special character.

 -Loki- wrote:
Nothing yet has indicated it won't get a physical release.

The fact that last time they released supplemental mini-dexes they were almost universally reviled suggests that it wouldn't be a good idea.


At least with the iCodexes you can have them all on one device, rather than having to carry around multiple books... But it's still a bit of an odd direction given just how much people hated it last time around. I wonder if the downloadable version somehow integrates with the original codex so you don't have to flick between the two... That would actually make it functionally worthwhile, if not for the need to have an iPad to use it.

Well after months of lurking this got me to register and brave the forum

My first impression to the WK was ‘hmm’ until the comparison pictures were put up. The first thing that got me thinking was that maybe this is a female figure; it does look a DD after all.

However with respect the photo's from the rear show the Veins out the back, so maybe the bulk is needed to balance the aesthetics out?

I also wonder if the front panel is detachable, looks like it maybe.

I don't dislike the Wraithknight (it's not as herpaderp stupid as the Baby Carrier), I just think it's lazy (as is its name). They could have done so much more.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't dislike the Wraithknight (it's not as herpaderp stupid as the Baby Carrier), I just think it's lazy (as is its name). They could have done so much more.

The name is lazy, but not bad... so I'll give that a pass.
The model is also lazy (as in the obvious choice for small titan)... but I am really happy with that. There was always the possibility of a d-cannon being pulled by a giant eagle with an upside down fin on the bottom.

So all in all, I'm pretty happy.

 Makaleth wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't dislike the Wraithknight (it's not as herpaderp stupid as the Baby Carrier), I just think it's lazy (as is its name). They could have done so much more.

The name is lazy, but not bad... so I'll give that a pass.
The model is also lazy (as in the obvious choice for small titan)... but I am really happy with that. There was always the possibility of a d-cannon being pulled by a giant eagle with an upside down fin on the bottom.

So all in all, I'm pretty happy.

I'm going to agree. Though it is, in a certain sense "lazy," at least it isn't some totally out of left field, bizarre, quixotic flying mechanical dino-bot or something. I would MUCH rather them simply make a new vehicle that fits well with the existing range than do something "not lazy" like the Heldrake, Forgefiend, Ratfink drag-racer of Khorne, etc...

Even if it is just an up-sized version of the Wraithlord (or down-sized version of a titan) at least those models are really well-designed ones, and this is also very well designed.

As a side note, it seems a little strange to paint it up in Saim-Hann colors, rather than say, Iyanden. Especially with the Iyanden supplement...

-C6

 Slayer le boucher wrote:
Codex supplement?,...why not just redo the Chapter Approved articles, and turn the WD into something really worth the money?

Yeah, Jervis' column is still one of the ancors of the WD.
How about other new models? I guess we'll see one or two flyers (similar to Tau) and a slight overhaul of the existing units (analogous to Tau). Not too much effort, GW.

 catharsix wrote:


As a side note, it seems a little strange to paint it up in Saim-Hann colors, rather than say, Iyanden. Especially with the Iyanden supplement...

-C6

I agree it seems strange-ish. The stock colouring of the Eldar range for box art is Saim Hann; the same way that FW's new toys are Mymeara coloured. Iyanden would have been a better choice by far though. And may have made it look less dodgy. I think the paint job (similar to Alarielle from the High Elves) doesn't do the model justice. I would like to know what weapons it carries, aside from the obvious Pulsar/big Bright Lance

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Knight:

Head is far too small.

Back Vanes/Wings should have been far larger and more dramatic, like the original titan.

Hands/arms are too small.

Basically, if you are just going to make a giant wraithlord, make a giant wraithlord...

It's not a giant Wraithlord though.

It's a mini-Revenant or a giant War Walker(take your pick of comparisons it seems), with a pilot in the chest and the "Spiritstone of his twin" aiding him.
It's striking me as very similar to the "Golden Torcs" of the Drood family from Simon R. Green's "Shaman Bond" series.


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syranas wrote:

 catharsix wrote:


As a side note, it seems a little strange to paint it up in Saim-Hann colors, rather than say, Iyanden. Especially with the Iyanden supplement...

-C6

I agree it seems strange-ish. The stock colouring of the Eldar range for box art is Saim Hann; the same way that FW's new toys are Mymeara coloured. Iyanden would have been a better choice by far though. And may have made it look less dodgy. I think the paint job (similar to Alarielle from the High Elves) doesn't do the model justice. I would like to know what weapons it carries, aside from the obvious Pulsar/big Bright Lance

Well, that depends on how exactly they choose to introduce it.

If it's something reclaimed/recruited from the Exodite Worlds? It makes sense as I'm fairly sure(not 100% sure, but fairly sure) they've established that Biel-Tan and Saim Hann have the most contact with the Exodite Worlds, while Iyanden is painted as having more contact with the Corsair Fleets.

I must say, that knight design really is just an eldar Riptide. It's got the same general setup; shield-thing on the one arm, oversized version of conventional weapon on the other Similar idea; large piloted suit, both somewhat at odds with the established fluff for how their respective factions fight.

Not terrible impressed, but I've always had a "meh" opinion on the Eldar range, so maybe I'm just biased.

If that shield isn't a 2+ invul I will make my Knight into the Yugio knight since the shield would be better used (Logic standpoint of big shield= Big Invul).

Not wanting to start a fluff war in the slightest; but doesn't Alaitoc have heavy ties to the Exodites through it's hoard of rangers and pathfinders?

I'm not a fan of the riptide, but I dig the WK. wish the head was bigger, but it looks great. The joints and appendages are superior to previous wraith efforts.

Hows a model that size gonna avoid LoS?

I have looked at the new WK on and off today trying to figure out if I really like it or not, or if it will grow on me over time, my personal impression is yes, I like it, I was concerned it was just going to be a scaled up version of the other Eldar models, this one still fits the aesthetic but is obviously different for the force, my only criticism is the head, I believe it is too small for the construct, i would have liked to see a much larger head in the same shape perhaps joining into the chest/cockpit, but looking at the model it shouldn't be hard to modify and even left stock it is still a great centerpiece model. lets hope the rest of the release is done well and gives some very old models a needed shot of botox and lipo!