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2013/05/20 20:10:49
Subject: Re:Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Mutating Changebringer
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Man, these price rumours are terrifying.
Thank god for China.
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2013/05/20 20:11:05
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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gilljoy wrote: pretre wrote: CaptKaruthors wrote:Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
Doesn't particularly matter game wise, 5 less models for a similar price is just price gouging really
I didn't argue that. I was arguing whether you get a full squad from a box, which you can see is what CaptKaruthors was complaining about. I also brought up the point that you could get 5 DA not 4 DA and an Exarch from a box. It's all right there in what you quoted.
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2013/05/20 20:11:23
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Maybe they will buff the dire avengers so awesomely that points/$ cost will be great.
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2013/05/20 20:12:13
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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gilljoy wrote: pretre wrote: CaptKaruthors wrote:Did Dire Avengers really just go from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35?!?
Yup. Which is why I'm pissed! So now, even buying 2 boxes only gives you 8 regular guys and two exarchs...which is fething stupid! God forbid we get a full squad of troops out of the box...
This is incorrect.
Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
Doesn't particularly matter game wise, 5 less models for a similar price is just price gouging really
Bingo.
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2013/05/20 20:12:59
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote:
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
How good a model is isn't represented by their monetary cost.
It's represented by POINTS COSTS.
Hence we have a points costs system.
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2013/05/20 20:15:22
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Agile Revenant Titan
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Those prices are a bit of a shame. While it's not been in the realm of impulse purchases, to just buy some of the new stuff would run me $300 or more. $100 just for rulebooks seems, excessive.
The Wraithguard appear reasonably priced, but the rest is a bit of a letdown, especially the 2 codexes and Wraithknight.
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2013/05/20 20:17:22
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Jacob29 wrote: pretre wrote:
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs. You can also just leave them as normal. As I said earlier in the thread, your tears are a bit premature. For all we know, DA have Assault 20 AP3 guns and are 50 points a piece now. Or more realistically, they made them a more elite troops choice and they are max 5 or something silly like that. Let's just wait and see before crying foul.
How good a model is isn't represented by their monetary cost.
It's represented by POINTS COSTS.
Hence we have a points costs system.
Again, since you seemed to have missed it as well.
The post I was responding to was CaptKaruthors saying that it was dumb that you couldn't make a whole squad out of a box or that you had to get 2 exarchs for 10 guys. Thanks for the CAPITAL LETTERS though. 
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2013/05/20 20:19:10
Subject: Re:Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Flower Picking Eldar Youth
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I didn't think I'd be willing to spend more cash on rules than on minis.
Do you think GW will have some special offers for the release/pre-release on their website?
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2013/05/20 20:19:30
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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$115 USD for the WK??!!
gonna be $160-200 AUD...
Well, at least it means I'll never have to deal with one...
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2013/05/20 20:19:32
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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CaptKaruthors wrote:It's stupid that I have to shell out another $50 for a supplement to play my craftworld. It better be worth it. Otherwise, it'll be like getting hugged by a cactus...
I understand the sentiment, but no you don't. Simply use the normal Eldar Codex and paint your Eldar in your chosen colours. Not every single army they ever field would follow the special rules that may be in the supplement.
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2013/05/20 20:19:55
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Guardsman with Flashlight
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 Sarigar wrote:Those prices are a bit of a shame. While it's not been in the realm of impulse purchases, to just buy some of the new stuff would run me $300 or more. $100 just for rulebooks seems, excessive.
The Wraithguard appear reasonably priced, but the rest is a bit of a letdown, especially the 2 codexes and Wraithknight.
I agree. I kinda expected the codex prices, but that wraithknight price is ridiculous, and I'm not at all too happy about the dire avengers getting split boxed. May run to the store tonight and grab the one more squad I need now...
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2013/05/20 20:20:00
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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pretre wrote:
Again, since you seemed to have missed it as well.
The post I was responding to was CaptKaruthors saying that it was dumb that you couldn't make a whole squad out of a box or that you had to get 2 exarchs for 10 guys. Thanks for the CAPITAL LETTERS though.
Hehe. Nah I was typing it out while you posted it :<
Was considering editing it, but as it was still a valid point (albeit not related to your quote), I left it up.
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2013/05/20 20:20:31
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Special offers? You mean those extreme deals which save you an amazing amount of $ 0.00?
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2013/05/20 20:21:01
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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I posted earlier that these prices feel like GW pushing their luck...if the Dire Avenger boxes of 5 sell well, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see other armies getting the same treatment.
I'm just glad I've already got plenty of Boyz; imagine if they got the same treatment...
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Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics. |
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2013/05/20 20:23:20
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Veteran Wolf Guard Squad Leader
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Speaking of price gouging. Did I read that correctly that you'd have to buy the Iyanden supplement separately? I'm sure it's going to be in hardback or iPad only and cost $50.
Jeeeez GW.
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2013/05/20 20:25:02
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Guardsman with Flashlight
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 Fezman wrote:I posted earlier that these prices feel like GW pushing their luck...if the Dire Avenger boxes of 5 sell well, I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised to see other armies getting the same treatment.
I'm just glad I've already got plenty of Boyz; imagine if they got the same treatment...
Or termagants. 
Second thought, maybe I better get more of those soon too. 
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2013/05/20 20:25:31
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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£70 for the Wraithknight makes me weep. I'm still fairly excited for this release, however If the rumour regarding Dire Avengers being reboxed to 5 for the same price, and the old jetbikes being repackaged into a box of three turns out to be true though, I'm probably going to skip buying anything at all.
Half the plastic for the same price is an absolute dick move, no matter how you spin it. GW are basically saying feth you to their own customers if this is true, they won't be getting a penny off me if this is true.
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2013/05/20 20:32:48
Subject: Re:Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Dakka Veteran
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A rumor tidbit to distract people from the price whining:
I've heard from a very good source that Eldar units will be able to run and shoot or shoot and run.
Going to be massive!
From The Dark City's Sky Serpent.
No idea what his track record is, but that would be interesting. Similar to what Eldar ships can do in BFG I think.
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8000 points of Tau/Craftworld Eldar/Necron because the Space Vagabonds can also emulate their wargear and tactics.
Victories: ALL
Losses: NONE (My armies have the psychic ability to conjure a cataclysmic storm whenever they are about to lose. This allows the Space Vagabonds to teleport away while releasing power waves that destroys the battlefield and so every battle is a victory)
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2013/05/20 20:34:34
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Wow. The prices are nuts, and they've halved the Dire Avengers.
Screw Eldar.
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2013/05/20 20:35:55
Subject: Re:Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Regular Dakkanaut
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i just got ninja'd hard.
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2013/05/20 20:38:24
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs.
For this to happen they'd have to recut/ redesign the sprues. As it is now, the exarch parts are part of the sprue. So yes, if recut it may be that way. If not...it's like I said. 2 boxes will get you 8 regulars and two exarchs basically two 5 man squads or a 9 man squad.
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2013/05/20 20:39:06
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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For twice the price as the old 10 man squad.
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2013/05/20 20:39:44
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Regardless of how the codex pans out, crying foul is totally justified going from 10 for $37.50 to 5 for $35. For existing kits. Already in plastic. With zero development cost associated with them (now).
Yup. It's criminal.
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2013/05/20 20:40:31
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Been Around the Block
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Having waited for this release for so long and with such anticipation I was going to express my disappointment but others have already done so more than adequately.
From the price list it looks as if the flyer will be around the same price point as the DA Nephilim; if so, sod that for a game of Intergalactic Stormtroopers, it's off to eBay for some second hand RazorWings and a bit of conversion work.
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2013/05/20 20:40:44
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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CaptKaruthors wrote:Warhammer 40000: Eldar Dire Avengers
The Dire Avengers squad has been repackaged as a five miniature boxed set (including the option of making an Exarch)
So two boxes gets you 10 DA and the option of making two exarchs.
For this to happen they'd have to recut/ redesign the sprues. As it is now, the exarch parts are part of the sprue. So yes, if recut it may be that way. If not...it's like I said. 2 boxes will get you 8 regulars and two exarchs basically two 5 man squads or a 9 man squad.
I didn't make that up, that's the rumor you're complaining about. You can't have it both ways. Either it is the 5 man box that is described here with the option to make an exarch, or the rumor is wrong and the 5 man box is bunk. Although technically, I suppose the rumor could be wrong and right and it is a 5 man box but the description is completely wrong.
Either way, we'll know more in a couple of days. Then the real gnashing of teeth can begin.
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2013/05/20 20:41:20
Subject: Re:Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Tail-spinning Tomb Blade Pilot
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Value of the old Eldar Battleforce just got ratcheted up.
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2013/05/20 20:42:02
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Oh trust me, I'm not defending the price point. That's crazy. I'm just saying he's a bit early to complain about unit size when we haven't seen the entry yet.
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2013/05/20 20:43:07
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Speed Drybrushing
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Do keep in mind that Games Workshop probably wouldn't be above misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what's in a box. We may not actually know what is in the DA box until someone has one and can open it up.
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2013/05/20 20:43:22
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Squishy Squig
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Unless I'm remembering wrong, the current box had enough to make 10 regular guys with options to make two as Squad leaders. So halving them requires no recuts.
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2013/05/20 20:43:56
Subject: Eldar rumours (Wraithknight pic plus complete release list added to first post)
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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 Magc8Ball wrote:Do keep in mind that Games Workshop probably wouldn't be above misrepresenting (either intentionally or unintentionally) what's in a box. We may not actually know what is in the DA box until someone has one and can open it up.
Oh come on. I know we like to say GW is the devil but do we have any actual instance where GW has said 'There's 5 dudes in here.' and the sprues only made 4?
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