Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**massey**

Davor wrote:
With all these price increases, GW actully made 3D printers affordable.

Was GW secretly bought out by a company that makes 3D printers? Because that's the only way these prices make sense.

Seriously, it won't be long before someone buys a 3D scanner and discovers PirateBay.

**neiltj1**

looks like my riptide is going to be used as a counts as wraithknight.

**GTKA666**

I love how no one is talking about how we are getting an assassin....am i the only one psyched about that? Hopefully it can go toe to toe with the Vindicare Assassin!

**Wilytank**

Wilytank wrote:
Just watch it become an Apocalypse only super heavy.

As a matter of fact, I'm calling it right now: Apoc Super Heavy. You people are saying it's the same price as an Ork Stompa and if it's 9", it's only like two inches shorter than the Stompa.

**Gwyidion**

Reposted from 3++, which is reposted from heresey online:

There is also an upgrade pack in Finecast to make an Autarch on a jetbike.

As far as the actual Codex goes:

-You can make Run moves in addition to shooting Shuriken weapons. Interesting particularly if this can be made both before or after shooting.

-Shuriken weapons have a rule which makes them ignore armor on a to-wound roll of a 6– similar to rending, but it's not actually the Rending rule. So they still can't damage tanks. Yay >.<.

-The Wraithknight starts at about 250 points and caps around 350, and towers over even the Tau Riptide. It's 9” tall. The Wraithknight has the ability for its weapons to become twin-linked if it hits with a scatter laser it comes equipped with, even against airborne targets. It can shoot S9 and 10 small blasts, and has a total of four weapons on it– you have a choice of several, including a huge wraithblade and a lance weapon. It had better be T8/W5/2+ for that starting cost…

- Wraithguard are cheaper both points-wise and financially speaking, and are now S5 and T6, and have the option to be equipped with Wraithblades as per the current Codex's in place of their guns, making them a dangerous close combat unit. What do you mean now S5/T6? Wraithblades aren't going to make them a dangerous CC unit without an A buff. If Wraithguns aren't getting a range increase these guys are still likely to be blah.

- Including a Spiritseer as a HQ choice allows you to bring Wraithguard as Troops. Cheaper at least to get scoring tuff nuts.

- Expect Guardians to supplant Dire Avengers as the staple Troops choice– they're very points efficient and with the buff to shuriken weapons, they should expect to be in a lot of competitive armies. How? Unless they are similar to Guardsmen in points and Shuriken got a buff in terms of range, they're still an ass unit. If they are around 5/6 points and get 18″ guns, have good Warlock buffing powers, then perhaps we have something but that also depends on what Dire Avengers get. Are they getting 24″ guns and cheaper as well? Etc. Grand sweeping statements by sales reps are dumb even if they turn out to be true.

-The Fire Prism has been nerfed a bit– basically, they want to drive people back towards Aspect Warrior and Wraith-heavy armies, rather than the mechanized Eldar army literally everyone and their brother played with the exact same list. Can't really say to what extent, but the purchasing advice was to “Not load up on them.” Yay all those vehicles we have are useless and they aren't releasing new Aspects.

-The Avatar is “Definitely better.” I want my 80 pt 3rd ed Avatar back.

-The Iyanden supplement is not a splash release, and will be normally available. Iyanden is strictly a fluff book, and contains no game rules. The rules to play a themed Iyanden army are found completely in Codex: Eldar. This is a move to appease people who want more fluff in books as well as people who would rather just have more game content with the fluff optional. This is an experiment in seeing how this works– if it does well, expect Games Workshop to continue with the release of “chapter-specific” fluff supplements for their Codex releases. Good. I can ignore this now.

**Chrysis**

Given the pictures of the White Dwarf page explicitly say the Iyanden supplement contains new rules (although not to what extent) that last comment is pretty blatantly wrong unless they're defining "game rules" pretty specifically.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Chrysis wrote:
Given the pictures of the White Dwarf page explicitly say the Iyanden supplement contains new rules (although not to what extent) that last comment is pretty blatantly wrong unless they're defining "game rules" pretty specifically.

They could both be right if for example it has no units or army list but does have some special scenario.

**Chrysis**

Like I said, the rumour monger would have to be defining "Game Rules" pretty specifically for the rumour to be true. I can't think of any rules the supplement could contain that wouldn't be "Game Rules."

**Happygrunt**

Wilytank wrote:
Wilytank wrote:
Just watch it become an Apocalypse only super heavy.

As a matter of fact, I'm calling it right now: Apoc Super Heavy. You people are saying it's the same price as an Ork Stompa and if it's 9", it's only like two inches shorter than the Stompa.

You have no idea how much I hope you are right.

**Eskrigian Guard**

Gwyidion wrote:
Reposted from 3++, which is reposted from heresey online:

There is also an upgrade pack in Finecast to make an Autarch on a jetbike.

As far as the actual Codex goes:

-You can make Run moves in addition to shooting Shuriken weapons. Interesting particularly if this can be made both before or after shooting.

-Shuriken weapons have a rule which makes them ignore armor on a to-wound roll of a 6– similar to rending, but it's not actually the Rending rule. So they still can't damage tanks. Yay >.<.

-The Wraithknight starts at about 250 points and caps around 350, and towers over even the Tau Riptide. It's 9” tall. The Wraithknight has the ability for its weapons to become twin-linked if it hits with a scatter laser it comes equipped with, even against airborne targets. It can shoot S9 and 10 small blasts, and has a total of four weapons on it– you have a choice of several, including a huge wraithblade and a lance weapon. It had better be T8/W5/2+ for that starting cost…

- Wraithguard are cheaper both points-wise and financially speaking, and are now S5 and T6, and have the option to be equipped with Wraithblades as per the current Codex's in place of their guns, making them a dangerous close combat unit. What do you mean now S5/T6? Wraithblades aren't going to make them a dangerous CC unit without an A buff. If Wraithguns aren't getting a range increase these guys are still likely to be blah.

- Including a Spiritseer as a HQ choice allows you to bring Wraithguard as Troops. Cheaper at least to get scoring tuff nuts.

- Expect Guardians to supplant Dire Avengers as the staple Troops choice– they're very points efficient and with the buff to shuriken weapons, they should expect to be in a lot of competitive armies. How? Unless they are similar to Guardsmen in points and Shuriken got a buff in terms of range, they're still an ass unit. If they are around 5/6 points and get 18″ guns, have good Warlock buffing powers, then perhaps we have something but that also depends on what Dire Avengers get. Are they getting 24″ guns and cheaper as well? Etc. Grand sweeping statements by sales reps are dumb even if they turn out to be true.

-The Fire Prism has been nerfed a bit– basically, they want to drive people back towards Aspect Warrior and Wraith-heavy armies, rather than the mechanized Eldar army literally everyone and their brother played with the exact same list. Can't really say to what extent, but the purchasing advice was to “Not load up on them.” Yay all those vehicles we have are useless and they aren't releasing new Aspects.

-The Avatar is “Definitely better.” I want my 80 pt 3rd ed Avatar back.

-The Iyanden supplement is not a splash release, and will be normally available. Iyanden is strictly a fluff book, and contains no game rules. The rules to play a themed Iyanden army are found completely in Codex: Eldar. This is a move to appease people who want more fluff in books as well as people who would rather just have more game content with the fluff optional. This is an experiment in seeing how this works– if it does well, expect Games Workshop to continue with the release of “chapter-specific” fluff supplements for their Codex releases. Good. I can ignore this now.

So we can run, shoot, ignore armor saves with shuriken catapults on a to wound roll of 6, with our super cheap guardians?...

Bye bye TEQ and MCs

**GTKA666**

Don't get too excited. We don't know their range and if this is even accurate.

**scarletsquig**

Seriously, this is it?

Plastic wraithguard, couple of new big kits and everything else made more expensive.

No new jetbikes/ vyper/ plastic aspect warriors, no new warlocks or phoenix lords?

What a pathetic release. I suppose this is it for the next 8 years now, GW hates releasing stuff for xenos so we probably won't see anything else until 8th edition.

**DarthSpader**

does anyone remember when GW used to be a MINIATURES company?? with the trend of larger and larger models all over the place... this is turning into GW "Fineroll Actionfigurines"tm ... pretty soon every model on the table is going to be some kind of 12" tall super mech titan warrior thing.

im not complaining... but really, if GW wanted to get into the "giant robot" aspect of 40k, why not just make plastic titans, or at least the scout/knight" classes, and develop a game based on only those models and perhaps a small contigent of infantry or tank support....

oh wait.

mech warrior ALREADY DID THI ----

*****inquisitorial inturupt*****

****error creating message***
***retry***
***retry***
***reprogram***
***reprogramming complete***

i have just been informed that GW existed before the aforementioned, and that such images, right and property are part of the almighty god king GW, and thus will be assimilated. lawyers are cutrrently in route to inform mech warrior **tm**gw**tm** that they will now belong to the grimdark.

**scarletsquig**

At this rate, I bet we'll still be using the 1992 warp spiders and jetbikes in 2020.

**Eskrigian Guard**

GTKA666 wrote:
Don't get too excited. We don't know their range and if this is even accurate.

I know, but after the pricing of the new MC and DA box count drop, I'm scraping the barrel for something positive. And since I play against nothing but tau, necrons, and grey knights this is my bit of silver lining for the day.

**PalmerC**

I am really psyched for this release. Eldar really need a new codex. I understand the issue around the DA cost but it looks like WG went down in price and if there is both cc and regular options thats a bonus. I am really interested in seeing the wraithseer and hope supplies are not too limited for those. Overall I am fine with the posted prices using current prices as a benchmark. The books are well worth the money and the wraithknight is on par with what you would normally get for that price in my mind. I really like that there is a specific Eldar focus with psychic powers and their own set of cards which is in line with the fluff. Also Eldar are supposed to have air superiority as a race so a new aspect that is focused on aircraft is pretty cool. My biggest disapointement would likely be the jetbikes. I havent bought any of the older ones in anticipation of this release. If they are the same old same old not sure what I will do. Overall still very excited for this release.

**CaptKaruthors**

so the wraith knight stands at 9 inches tall....a warhound titan is only 10ish inches. Suddenly massive war engines arent so massive anymore

The warhound stands between 12-13" tall depending how you pose it. It's actually quite taller and wider than this thing.

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so the wraith knight stands at 9 inches tall....a warhound titan is only 10ish inches. Suddenly massive war engines arent so massive anymore

The warhound stands between 12-13" tall depending how you pose it. It's actually quite taller and wider than this thing.

**KaryudoDS**

DarthSpader wrote:
im not complaining... but really, if GW wanted to get into the "giant robot" aspect of 40k, why not just make plastic titans, or at least the scout/knight" classes, and develop a game based on only those models and perhaps a small contigent of infantry or tank support....

oh wait.

mech warrior ALREADY DID THI ----

*****inquisitorial inturupt*****

Pity Mechwarrior only existed as a collectable game. I would have seen something like Warmachine working well for them. Well without that jacked up plot anyway. I always thought playing with Titans on a 40K table was like Mechwarrior...if the mechs weren't allowed to move due to terrain being everywhere, more commonly refereed to as "not that fun".

Either way I'm sort of hopeful this "knight" is at least durable. I swear I have never once gotten to roll an armor save on a Wraithlord, if something wounded them it always seemed to be AP2 anyway.

**chaos0xomega**

Im actually grateful that this is a lame release. A $50 codex and im good to go. Between Robotech and the Martian Front kickstarter Im basically broke.

**CrimsonKing**

I'm just pissed by the pricing on some of this crap, and that the aspect warriors aren't redone or touched up. I like the idea of striking scorpions and howling banshees. Granted with the way vehicles are and everything, something needs to be done so that they can survive long enough to get into a fight. I wish they would make them plastic kits.
MY biggest gripe is nothing new for Harlequins! That is the unit that originally made me fall in love with the Eldar codex. Granted the models look great now, but make them plastic, and give me the option to put harlequin's kisses modeled on them, and reduce their price. 22 fething points for a harlequin, without the awesome veil of tears pisses me off. Yeah if I have them in cover I can get a 2+ cover save, which no cover negating large blast template ever cared about. I liked to roll the dice and take my chances of you not being able to target me at all, unless you got in striking distance. I loved using them as a counter attack unit. Throw a bait unit in front and let you come to me to get eaten by my fortuned harlequins. So what if they only had a 5++ save. I struck first I was hitting you with strength 4 hits, and I rended, and got to re-roll my wounds. Now they are still okay, but need some point reduction, and I think the death jester needs a kiss, or power blades or something like he had before.
All the new stuff is cool, but a lot of the old stuff feels like it is being forgotten or left behind, and a lot of that is the reason I liked Eldar in the first place. I don't need wing zero from gundam wing to lead my army with Hero making some silent leaderisk crappy one liners, about duty to the colonies. Give me some cheaper models that already exist, and make me some plastic kits, and update the 90's models to match the badass models of today.
I'm glad I jumped ship to Dark Eldar. Now there are some gorgeous models. They just need to update Drahzar with a Finecast or hopefully/maybe a plastic model that matches how awesome he looks in the codex, and we'll be in business.

End rant... Thanks for listening.

**whembly**

BlueDagger wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
I have the sinking feeling wraithlords are going to drop to T6

Wraithlords T7 3+ armor (4+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Knight T7- 8 2+ armor (3+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Guard T5 with 3+ armor

Those are my official predictions

For gods sake! Make 'em immune to poison. They're walking constructs ('cept for the WraithKnight?)

**CrimsonKing**

I might be missing something by saying this, but I notice a lot of people are worried about the jetbikes, and what they are going to look like, and whether they will be the old ones or not. Did no one pay attention a few years ago when Dark Eldar came out, and the new jetbikes for DE came out, and they said that they made a template bike for the ELDAR as a race. For DE they threw more spikes and blades on it to make it look sinister, but that they have the Eldar jetbike already done, and they simply never released it, because thye were waiting for the new codex to release. Well that is what we will be getting. The new Eldar jet bikes are going to look very similar to the DE jetbikes. Whats the problem?

**CaptKaruthors**

I suppose I should order some stuff...meh.

**DiabolicAl**

whembly wrote:
BlueDagger wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
I have the sinking feeling wraithlords are going to drop to T6

Wraithlords T7 3+ armor (4+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Knight T7- 8 2+ armor (3+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Guard T5 with 3+ armor

Those are my official predictions

For gods sake! Make 'em immune to poison. They're walking constructs ('cept for the WraithKnight?)

Walking constructs made from a living material

**syranas**

CrimsonKing wrote:
I might be missing something by saying this, but I notice a lot of people are worried about the jetbikes, and what they are going to look like, and whether they will be the old ones or not. Did no one pay attention a few years ago when Dark Eldar came out, and the new jetbikes for DE came out, and they said that they made a template bike for the ELDAR as a race. For DE they threw more spikes and blades on it to make it look sinister, but that they have the Eldar jetbike already done, and they simply never released it, because thye were waiting for the new codex to release. Well that is what we will be getting. The new Eldar jet bikes are going to look very similar to the DE jetbikes. Whats the problem?

This line of reasoning would require intuition and the ability to read between the lines. A rare quality in the internet age. It is totally reasonable and foreseeable that the new 3 in 1 box would have the new sculpt of bike; especially with the new name change.

**whembly**

DiabolicAl wrote:
whembly wrote:
BlueDagger wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
I have the sinking feeling wraithlords are going to drop to T6

Wraithlords T7 3+ armor (4+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Knight T7- 8 2+ armor (3+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Guard T5 with 3+ armor

Those are my official predictions

For gods sake! Make 'em immune to poison. They're walking constructs ('cept for the WraithKnight?)

Walking constructs made from a living material

o.O

What's living about it? I thought it's just a walking wraithbone... *shrugs* I wouldn't mind the Lords being T6... just make 'em immune to poison.
^^^^ We know it ain't going to happen... just wishlisting here...

**MandalorynOranj**

Wow finally caught up with the 10 pages since this morning. I know it hasn't been mentioned for a while, but I wanted to say before that anyone who claims GW stuff looks like Happy Meal toys but likes the old Knights and Armourcast stuff is a massive hypocrite.

I've gotta say, these prices are entirely out of hand. I can't really see myself buying anything but the codex at release, and even that'll be from discount internet sellers. I honestly can't understand how this has sustained itself up until now. Something's gotta give here.

**DiabolicAl**

whembly wrote:
DiabolicAl wrote:
whembly wrote:
BlueDagger wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
I have the sinking feeling wraithlords are going to drop to T6

Wraithlords T7 3+ armor (4+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Knight T7- 8 2+ armor (3+ invul upgrade optional)
Wraith Guard T5 with 3+ armor

Those are my official predictions

For gods sake! Make 'em immune to poison. They're walking constructs ('cept for the WraithKnight?)

Walking constructs made from a living material

o.O

What's living about it? I thought it's just a walking wraithbone... *shrugs* I wouldn't mind the Lords being T6... just make 'em immune to poison.
^^^^ We know it ain't going to happen... just wishlisting here...

It may since have been retconned but im sure Wraithbone was alive. Tended to by spirit singers and grown by the Eldar for use in construction. Could be wrong though.

**Eldar Craft**

I really hope that the shuriken armor ignore is real. I just played against my necron buddy and eldar could use a little more bite. I'm dissapointed with some of the pricing and packaging strategies listed in the thread. Some of it is not terrible. As fun as the Wraithknight sounds $115 is a lot of money to spend on one plastic toy.
All the rambling and gripping aside eldar is what I play so I'm excited to re-learn my favorite 40k race and hopefully be able to afford some of the new hotness.

**Kid_Kyoto**

Eskrigian Guard wrote:

So we can run, shoot, ignore armor saves with shuriken catapults on a to wound roll of 6, with our super cheap guardians?...

Bye bye TEQ and MCs

Because nothing says 'dying race' like hoards of suicide beserkers charging at you.