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 MandalorynOranj wrote:
I hope they've got the crunch to back it up!

Somehow, the thought of losing with Eldar (esp. Iyanden) doesn't trouble me too much ...

Is it a good idea to buy Boxes of the Current 10 man Dire Avengers Squads and then in a couple months time, sell them on Ebay?

IMO this release looks grim. I'm not impressed by any of these new releases. Hence I have put my Eldar in the swap shop.

 DeffDred wrote:
IMO this release looks grim. I'm not impressed by any of these new releases. Hence I have put my Eldar in the swap shop.

Jumping the gun a bit there eh?

The new photos make me more enthusiastic about the Eldar, but I'm really curious to find out what they've done rules-wise.

The Eldar flier looks like a goose. The underside shot with the two tone scheme makes me think of Canada geese.

 Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
The new photos make me more enthusiastic about the Eldar, but I'm really curious to find out what they've done rules-wise.

Agreed. I've never preordered any GW releases. I need to see the rules and potentially playtest a bit before I buy anything.

 Absolutionis wrote:

resipsa wrote:

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 djones520 wrote:
I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I would have been far more surprised if they had. They're making vehicles for a science fantasy game of toy soldiers.

This man.

I laugh at the whole consult an engineer thing.
Go on, go ask a professional engineer (an actual LICENSED P.E.) about that ask him what a space ship piloted by imaginary homoerotic elves should look like irl and watch him laugh and call you slowed. It's sci fi bro. My two year old would be as much an authority of whqt is "legit" here as any of us. The likely result of them asking an engineering firm is the price being even higher because realism.

Consulting an engineer is indeed excessive, but they could have at least looked at a photograph of something that flies.

Also:

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Wilytank wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
The aircraft.... Horrible. May be in contention for worst design yet, next to the SM chickenhawk.

I was going to ask if they even consult engineers before they build these things, but it's obvious now that they don't.

I hope you realize this is the same race that can keep their souls in stones after they die.

Verisimilitude

In fantasy/scifi, we assume everything adheres to our reality.
If something detracts from reality, an explanation is given (magic, technology, soulstones, etc)
If an explanation is not given, then it is silly (Flying Bawkses, Tau Plot Armor, Heldrake)

Essentially, categorizing something as "scifi" or "fantasy" is not free reign to descend into surrealism.

Sir are you implying the stormraven would fly? Look at the extra fuel tanks on old fighters.
As for surrealism, we are talking about a game using toy soldiers where the story is set in dystopian future where aliens, 1984, a clockwork Orange, animal farm and the bible all have a grand literature orgy, with a dash of space Hitler Schiavo bad genetic pulp fiction, soccer hooligans, prince and his band and their bdsm cousins and plot armor dude. But screw it, let's be realists!!

I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

I'm very relieved that all of this stuff either doesn't look good or is something I don't need at all. With the exception of that sniper character. I'm happy that there's another of my armies that I don't want to buy anything new for.

At least, no new models. On the other hand, I have to buy $100 worth of books just to keep playing my Iyanden army? I don't see that happening.

on my to buy list: spiritseer wraithknight and wraithfighter

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

Yeah I really don't get that neck.. also its a pretty silly photo..

Look at this depry build of our new cast! and look at how OLD THESE WARLOCKS ARE.

I'll probably pick one up though, my finecastseer has a massive gap in his face.

At least it is plastic so you can file his neck down, the robes themselves look a lot nicer shape wise compared to those warlocks.

Well i saw the new shots and was a bit meh on everything tbh. Thought i might be getting jaded and bitter in my old age.

Then i saw the sniper model.

That thing is the sex. I must have one just to paint.

Really cant think of a thing i don't like about it except its Finecast.

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

Okay good! It's not just me. I thought he looked a bit "off".


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 DiabolicAl wrote:
Well i saw the new shots and was a bit meh on everything tbh. Thought i might be getting jaded and bitter in my old age.

Then i saw the sniper model.

That thing is the sex. I must have one just to paint.

Really cant think of a thing i don't like about it except its Finecast.

Crappy that the Failcast models are limited. .. makes me a sad panda.

Perhaps those gun "pod" openings contain the airstream powered turbine that generates the power to fire them, and they're ducted at the back out of the engine exhaust. Lots of explanations are possible that don't involve them just being purposeless drag.

Maybe you should just suspend your disbelief when playing a fantasy game set tens of thousands of years in the future?

UltraPrime wrote:
Maybe you should just suspend your disbelief when playing a fantasy game set tens of thousands of years in the future?

I suspend mine just fine. Just throwing out possible explanations for those that demand them.

Fair enough. Just seems some people are more interested in worrying about details that don't matter than playing the game.

Stuff looks good. would love to put a pure wraith army together.
hq
3 knights
6 squads wraithguard
3 wraith lords
well the troops get trimmed down to meet points level.

Skogkat wrote:

 pretre wrote:

valace2 wrote:
Any news on Runes of Warding? Have they stayed the same?

Check the first post and no.

Sooooo.... You've been telling people that although several sources say that Dire Avengers are going to 5 for $35 it's not confirmed so we shouldn't rush to judgment, but it's perfectly acceptable to state as fact, without evidence, that Runes of Warding are changing. Interesting.

my answer was to the first question. How would I know the second?


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 Tyranid Horde wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
IMO this release looks grim. I'm not impressed by any of these new releases. Hence I have put my Eldar in the swap shop.

Jumping the gun a bit there eh?

Shh just buy them and chuckle.

I feel a bit weird I like everything EXCEPT the sniper guy. Even he isn't flat out bad. I guess when I read about him and heard he was an ultra marksman with a 120" range I got all excited and was like sighting down the barrel of an invisible gun in my nerdgasm, and then of course he's vaulting something and waving his gun around like Fuegan

Theorius wrote:
The first pic we saw the hand is open, the one with the dual lances the fists are closed!! eaqch wraith knight in the iyaden is posed in a different stance with the head in a different direction.

I think that bad boy is looking to be worth the dollars!!!!

Not really. A Master grade Gundam kit has far more articulation (and rubber sockets for joints so that it can be posed and will hold its pose until it is reposed) for a quarter to a third of the price of the Wraithknight. And will have more detail in the parts. And will come in plastic pre-colored to the main colors of the model. And will potentially have internal objects modeled.

The Wraithknight is only worth the price GW is charging if you only compare it to other GW models, and potentially not even then.

I regret selling my Eldar now!!!

I liked the flyer from the upper views, but I really dislike the downswept wings to that degree... something was just bugging me about the sillouette... and then I realized the true inspiration for the flyer, not the mighty phoenix of Eldar legend, but instead the magnificent, the majestic, the incomparable...

Canada Goose.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Well they already have Nightwings, which are sweep wing interceptor aircraft, implying the Eldar are still using the basic aerodynamics we know and love today and still have to worry about things like shockwaves and pressure drag I'm pretty sure somewhere in the AI books it talks about how Nightwings are superior to other aircraft in part because of their streamlining.

Nightwings are superior because the at least have SOME streamlining. Recently picked up a few Imperial wing bits (Valkyrie, Dark Talon, Stormraven) and can't believe the wing profiles. Square leading edge, rectangular cross section and square trailing edge? Seriously GW, not even the slightest attempt at an airfoil cross section?
From the producer of the finest gaming models in the world? Even 1/285 scale gaming model planes have airfoil wing cross sections, but GW can't manage it on flyers that are five times larger?

/rant...

Still not sure why realism is important, until I recalled watching Star Wars and seeing the Millenium Falcon and how it can just fly through the atmosphere seamlessly without needing a billion dollar heat shield.

MAKES NO SENSE. WORST MOVIE EVER.

shade1313 wrote:
Perhaps those gun "pod" openings contain the airstream powered turbine that generates the power to fire them, and they're ducted at the back out of the engine exhaust. Lots of explanations are possible that don't involve them just being purposeless drag.

The fact they look stupid overrides all else.

As I said, I can suspend disbelief if it looks cool. I just don't think it does.


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timd wrote:Nightwings are superior because the at least have SOME streamlining. Recently picked up a few Imperial wing bits (Valkyrie, Dark Talon, Stormraven) and can't believe the wing profiles. Square leading edge, rectangular cross section and square trailing edge? Seriously GW, not even the slightest attempt at an airfoil cross section?
From the producer of the finest gaming models in the world? Even 1/285 scale gaming model planes have airfoil wing cross sections, but GW can't manage it on flyers that are five times larger?

/rant...

I believe it's purely an aesthetic choice to square off wings instead of using an aerofoil. It's hardly the end of the aerodynamic issues with the Imperial Navy, but like I said, I give them a pass on aircraft that look cool

Wilytank wrote:Still not sure why realism is important, until I recalled watching Star Wars and seeing the Millenium Falcon and how it can just fly through the atmosphere seamlessly without needing a billion dollar heat shield.

MAKES NO SENSE. WORST MOVIE EVER.

A lot of it comes down to self consistency. Ok, Millenium Falcon isn't streamlined and doesn't have wings and blah blah, but so is every other craft in the Star Wars universe. I'm not saying Star Wars is 100% self consistent, but 40k is damn near 100% self inconsistent

Battlestar Galactica had lots of crazy physics issues as well, and it was the time when they'd contradict themselves that would make you "erm, wtf?" more than the times they contradicted modern day physics.

Nocturnus wrote:

 Tyranid Horde wrote:
I think the flier looks quite lovely, I don't know why. However the farseer looks really derpy, I mean, just look at his neck!

Okay good! It's not just me. I thought he looked a bit "off".


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 DiabolicAl wrote:
Well i saw the new shots and was a bit meh on everything tbh. Thought i might be getting jaded and bitter in my old age.

Then i saw the sniper model.

That thing is the sex. I must have one just to paint.

Really cant think of a thing i don't like about it except its Finecast.

Crappy that the Failcast models are limited. .. makes me a sad panda.

Really dumb question here, and I anticipate a text flogging, but when GW lays limited, do they mean they're only release X amout of units and then the run is over, or it will just be hard to get your hands on for awhile? This is the first release I have actually planned on buying anything for and I'd hate to miss out on those finecast models...

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I liked the flyer from the upper views, but I really dislike the downswept wings to that degree... something was just bugging me about the sillouette... and then I realized the true inspiration for the flyer, not the mighty phoenix of Eldar legend, but instead the magnificent, the majestic, the incomparable...

Canada Goose.

LOL, it does indeed look like GW took inspiration off that. Kind of like how the designers were inspired by Pomeranians when they sculpted Canis Wolfborn.

The Eldar flyer kind of reminds me a little of the YF-19 from Macross Plus. Which honestly makes me feel a little warm and fuzzy inside. I don't think it would take a lot work to convert the flyer to resemble it even more.