Eldar rumours (Preorder pics added to first post)

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**Popenfresh**

Soooo, thoughts and opinions on the remnants of glory?

I'm guessing the firesaber is the +1str AP3 soul blaze weapon mentioned earlier.

Mantel of the Laughing God is confirmed too. I wonder if these things are IC only or if Exarchs and other units can pick them too.

**cerbrus2**

Iracundus wrote:
That House of Ulthanash page still looks like it is from the Iyanden supplement given how it appears in the ad page for it.

yes your right, about that page, however on the ghosts page they have one there painted as well. but im sure we will fined out soon enough.

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TalonZahn wrote:
Yea, good thing they don't sell .pdf's ..... that crap would be all over the internet in 5 seconds!

lmao!

Anyway, I agree, much thanks. Looks very nice.

You will be Suprised. Already seen the Sample being Sold on ebay. It was just SCRNS like i did. Only packaged into a PDF and Put on ebay for £5 each. Free delivery though lol.

And yeah it lasted 3 miniuts before the Ban Hammer came down on the seller.

**Thokt**

So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

**ExNoctemNacimur**

Sidstyler wrote:
And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

Just a quick question - is 2000 the average point sized in the States? That seems huge! I generally play 1,000 - 1,500 games.

**warboss**

ExNoctemNacimur wrote:

Just a quick question - is 2000 the average point sized in the States? That seems huge! I generally play 1,000 - 1,500 games.

I'd say the average for years has been 1500-2000 with 2000 being the most common. With this current edition, I've seen more people playing effectively 1999pts to avoid certain rules though.

**ClassicCarraway**

ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

Just a quick question - is 2000 the average point sized in the States? That seems huge! I generally play 1,000 - 1,500 games.

2000 points is popular because of double FOC. Typically, my group sticks to 1500-1750, but our armies are normally 2500-3000 because we like to field different builds each game. I've personally never enjoyed the whole "Play the same build everytime" method, but understand the need for it from tournament players.

**Kid_Kyoto**

cerbrus2 wrote:
Codex: Eldar iOS Sample

I removed several images that looked like rules and might get complaints from GW.

**Lovepug13**

Thokt wrote:
So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

I have thirty of them..... knock yourself out lol

**ClassicCarraway**

Popenfresh wrote:
Soooo, thoughts and opinions on the remnants of glory?

I'm guessing the firesaber is the +1str AP3 soul blaze weapon mentioned earlier.

Mantel of the Laughing God is confirmed too. I wonder if these things are IC only or if Exarchs and other units can pick them too.

Since they are only one per army, I'd say its limited to ICs from the HQ selection only.

**Eskrigian Guard**

Thokt wrote:
So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

Good job man! Already own 20 of them so the price hike doesn't hurt me that badly.

**Iracundus**

I must admit I really hope the shard of Anaris is just figurative naming for a powerful weapon and not literally a shard from Anaris. What next? The Emperor's Steak Knife for Space Marines? I think god weapons should remain in the realm of background only. I think would have been also more interesting I think if for example Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range.

However given that GW seems to be getting more and more literal these days, I suppose it will be a literal shard of Anaris after all.

**Bharring**

Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

**Ravenous D**

Carresuith wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
If anyone buys the LE dex, then I'll be first to tell you you're an idiot for paying $60 for a dust jacket.

This, honestly, was the biggest letdown for me.

I had been planning to eagerly await release, spamming refresh on the GW homepage to get the lowest number I possibly could on the Eldar LE Codex -- especially after how beautiful the Tau one turned out.

Now, I can't even bring myself to do it. It's at least double the price for a mismatched, hastily and poorly-designed dust jacket ... and a book with a couple of placemarker ribbons? Talk about heartbreaking.

Beyond that, I'm surprised everyone keeps complaining about Aspect Warriors not being redone (perhaps with the noted exception of Warp Spiders and Shining Spears). Where we really need resculpts are in Jetbikes, Phoenix Lords, Warlocks, and the Avatar.

After that, it should honestly be Guardians and probably Vypers.

I was actually considering get the LE dex this one time for Eldar as they are the main army I use, but when I saw that you only get a dust jacket and a piece of paper with a number on it I was disappointed. Then you compare the dexs to bigger full colour hard backs at any book store and you realize they are $30 and come with a dust jacket and was printed in Canada, you flip over a GW dex "Made in china" They are paying maybe $5 a book. Bunch of lousy

s

Its gouging, pure and simple.

**Iracundus**

Bharring wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

Well I didn't necessarily mean in the form of a chunk of metal either. Other more weird forms like strange energy rifts or perhaps a particular formation of stars/planets or deep space floating giant artifacts actually being Anaris or fragments of it. We know what Anaris looks like at least in Eldar mythology because Alaitoc's symbol depicts it (Yes it is Khaine's sword but Khaine took it after killing Eldanesh), but there is nothing saying the sword of a warp god must actually take the form of a piece of metal if it took form in the material universe.

**H.B.M.C.**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

Dire Avengers just doubled in price, and your response is "Life wasn't meant to be easy. Deal with it"? Really?

**Sidstyler**

Bharring wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

"And you thought the wraithknight was big..."

By the way I bet that felt like a slap in the face to all the people who actually had the balls to buy riptides. Glad I never did.

**Iracundus**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

Dire Avengers just doubled in price, and your response is "Life wasn't meant to be easy. Deal with it"? Really?

All this talk of the Dire Avenger pricing reminds me of 1984. GW will likely wipe out any official reference to the old box and make it seem like it has always been 5. Then maybe some time in the future after more of those that remember are gone, GW will make an attempt to win popularity from a new generation of gamers by introducing a box of 6 or 7 Dire Avengers at same or slightly higher price and make it sound like the greatest bargain.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

mortetvie wrote:
Vhalyar wrote:
Popenfresh wrote:
Ok the pics on Yriel's blog confirm the new FD rules.

It looks like Wraithcannons are now 20< range with S10, AP2. Neat!

Can't find anything there about the cannons being S10 AP2. Would be great if it was the case though

Hey guys, thanks for checking out my blog! Wraith weapons are still up in the air though auto-pen/instant-kill on a 6 has been thrown around...

Basically, the WRaithknight has been rumored to have a 20-something inch gun at s10 ap2 and according to GW preorder page for WRaithknight, it comes with a wraith canon on main arm weapons... The regular wraith guard are listed as having a wraith cannon as well for options so put two and two together, either wraith guard have same ranged weapon as WRaithknight (wraithcannon) for option or it is a typo on GW page... Either way, time will tell!

Is that on the model or the range? because both are possibilities.

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Thokt wrote:
So pumped I picked up that 10 man Dire Avengers box for the minimum bid of $30 on eBay. Where were you guys on that? I won uncontested!

Everyone who plays Eldar already has Dire Avengers.

**Kroothawk**

Iracundus wrote:
All this talk of the Dire Avenger pricing reminds me of 1984. GW will likely wipe out any official reference to the old box and make it seem like it has always been 5. Then maybe some time in the future after more of those that remember are gone, GW will make an attempt to win popularity from a new generation of gamers by introducing a box of 6 or 7 Dire Avengers at same or slightly higher price and make it sound like the greatest bargain.

Worked with the Warwalker Squadron box. Nobody remembers the old squadron box when warwalkers were released and all praise GW now for its first discount (well, if you forget the Crisis Suit box as well that is).

**H.B.M.C.**

Except we knew the 3 WW box was a splash release.

**puma713**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

So. . .you're saying there is no problem with the entry costs for a new player? That the cost of the Rules + Codex + Army is not staggering and so does not make entry into the hobby painful and/or prohibitive? $140 for 20 Dire Avengers is just something everyone should accept happily, even when they could've gotten 20 Dire Avengers for $70 the day before?

No I think not. It is new players that drive the business. New players starting up armies. It is new players that the veterans are supposed to recruit into 40K because of the lore and the rules and the look of the armies. But then when that new player realizes what he needs to play the game, it suddenly becomes gut-check time.

I've said it times before and I'll say it again - people are not angry/irritated with GW because they hate GW or their game systems. They are mad because they love their games and want them to thrive so that the games are around for twenty more years and the hobby grows, so that new faces appear at your leagues and at your tournaments.

"Just deal with it." is exactly the attitude that GW has right now. Don't like the fact we shut down your fan-site? Deal with it. Don't like the fact that we gouge prices for different parts of the world? Deal with it. Don't like the fact we sue every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along and utters the word "Space"? Deal with it.

Or don't. Don't open your wallet. Don't spend $70 on 10 Dire Avengers. The last thing you should have to do, however, is "Just deal with it."

**Iracundus**

Kroothawk wrote:
Worked with the Warwalker Squadron box. Nobody remembers the old squadron box when warwalkers were released and all praise GW now for its first discount (well, if you forget the Crisis Suit box as well that is).

There was never an old squadron box nor a previous discount. "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia"

**Asmodai Asmodean**

Bharring wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Just because we didn't have the technology or the feasibility to build large models in the early 90s doesn't mean we should forever limit 40k to tiny metal models.

**Iracundus**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Bharring wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Iracundus wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Bharring wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Yep. Titans are actually much smaller than you would expect. I think there's a size comparison chart somewhere on the forum.

**Asmodai Asmodean**

puma713 wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Sidstyler wrote:
Matt.Kingsley wrote:
I am actually happily surprised by this release... at least, until I looks at dire avengers

Personally I think the wraithknight is stupid, both the model and the price, and I don't like how expensive the mandatory flyers are becoming for every army, but it sounds to me like GW would have been much better off if they hadn't messed with dire avengers at all. They're just so blatantly fething their customers in the ass it isn't even funny. No one is happy about the price of basic infantry literally doubling, and even people who attempt to defend it are basically resorting to "Well it only screws new players, I.E. the future of the hobby and what will inevitably keep GW and other companies like them afloat, everyone else already has enough dire avengers so who cares? Besides new players won't know any better anyway!", which is no doubt what GW themselves were thinking when they were collectively unzipping their pants. Even if a newer player supposedly didn't know ahead of time that dire avengers got a 100% price increase, does it really take a genius to figure out how bad a deal that will be when he looks at the codex? He'll figure out what everyone else did a long time ago: "Hey, dire avengers are much better than guardians for the points (or at least as good as gakky Eldar troops can get). Looks like the most optimal squad size is ten guys, too...holy gak, I have to spend $70 on one fething troop choice?" And then imagine how much worse it gets when he finds out he needs at least 2000 points worth of models to play a standard game and that no one's willing to play against his half-painted battleforce.

But hey, what does GW care if he sticks with the hobby or not after that, they got his money for that first big purchase and that's all that matters.

So are you questioning their pricing strategy (which you admit makes sense) or the significant barriers to entry the hobby presents? Because it's the latter which brings satisfaction. Not everything in life has to be cheap and easy. ... if you want instant gratification, go buy a video game. It's an semi-expensive hobby that requires time and effort. Deal with it.

So. . .you're saying there is no problem with the entry costs for a new player? That the cost of the Rules + Codex + Army is not staggering and so does not make entry into the hobby painful and/or prohibitive? $140 for 20 Dire Avengers is just something everyone should accept happily, even when they could've gotten 20 Dire Avengers for $70 the day before?

No I think not. It is new players that drive the business. New players starting up armies. It is new players that the veterans are supposed to recruit into 40K because of the lore and the rules and the look of the armies. But then when that new player realizes what he needs to play the game, it suddenly becomes gut-check time.

I've said it times before and I'll say it again - people are not angry/irritated with GW because they hate GW or their game systems. They are mad because they love their games and want them to thrive so that the games are around for twenty more years and the hobby grows, so that new faces appear at your leagues and at your tournaments.

"Just deal with it." is exactly the attitude that GW has right now. Don't like the fact we shut down your fan-site? Deal with it. Don't like the fact that we gouge prices for different parts of the world? Deal with it. Don't like the fact we sue every Tom, Dick and Harry that comes along and utters the word "Space"? Deal with it.

Or don't. Don't open your wallet. Don't spend $70 on 10 Dire Avengers. The last thing you should have to do, however, is "Just deal with it."

There are many ways to get into this hobby, and buying full retail from GW is only one poor path. Picking up a second hand army for dirt cheap is another, as is poring over third-party models and creating the perfect themed list. Discount retailers also exist, and are extremely easy to use. It's a hobby that takes dedication and planning- and a new player will get into it if the dedication exists, regardless of GW's prices.

My 'Deal with it' was in reference to the Hobby being semi-expensive (because most real hobbies are far, far more expensive) and requiring time and effort. No amount of ranting on Dakka is going to change GW's price policies, so you might as well accept it.

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Iracundus wrote:
Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Bharring wrote:
Iracundus wrote:
... Anaris wasn't a literal sword that an individual Eldar could lift, but say something the size of a mountain range. ...

Or perhaps both? Only wieldable by the soon-to-be-announced WraithPaladin? Does to the WraithKnight what the WraithKnight did to the Riptide? Wields an object to-scale the size of a mountain range as a butter knife? It seems like, unfortunately, that's the direction they're going...

I hate to burst your bubble, but we've had mountain-sized units since 2nd edition. They're called Titans.

Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Are we talking tabletop scale, or real-life-scale, or just the hyperbolic scale the OP used? because I was talking about the latter.

**Bharring**

The actual pattern, if you're including Titans in "regular play" so-to-speak, would have to be of third order or higher at least. As one meaning of 'hyperbolic' allows for only one inflection point, and the other implies a never-negative derivitive, neither fits the curve. Therefore, the growth over time could not be said to be 'Hyperbolic'.

(gonna stop nerding out now)

**JOHIRA**

Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
My 'Deal with it' was in reference to the Hobby being semi-expensive (because most real hobbies are far, far more expensive) and requiring time and effort.

Good of you to work in that bit of snide judgement, just to complete your post. So any of the many, many hobbies out there that cost less just aren't real hobbies, are they?

No amount of ranting on Dakka is going to change GW's price policies, so you might as well accept it.

Whether or not any amount of ranting on Dakka will change GW's policies remains to be seen. I for one think you're right, but only because GW is managed by a corporate board who are content to drive the company into the ground as long as they can get their golden parachutes just before the end. But your "so you might as well accept it" comment is flat out wrong. This is a discussion board. The purpose of being here is to discuss, and many of us think that the prices on these new Eldar (especially the increase in price on Dire Avengers without an attendant increase in the value of the model) are insulting and obscene. We have every right to complain. And since this is news, it's also relevant.

**whoadirty**

The Wraithknight price is kind of insane. But the currency conversions still make me cry.

With today's exchange rates, 70 GBP equals:

$105 US (US price $115)
$110 AUS (AUS price $125)
$109 Cdn (Cdn price $140)

$115 US equals $119 Cdn. So Canada is officially the new red headed step child of GW. Congrats Australia, you're no longer the bottom of the heap!

**unmercifulconker**

I neeeeeeeeed to see a Wraith knight in person, I really do, too hungover to pick up the WD.

Will get it tomorrow and check out all the goodness.