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I can just see 2 months time.

"You thought the WraithKnight was big?! Adeptus Mechanicus Knight Paladin, only £120."

All I know is I am REALLY excited that the Aspects appear to be getting back in line witht eh2nd ed rules set!!!
YYYEEEAAAAHHH!!

I am sure this has been posted already, but Vypers are BS 4, everything else looks the same. Don't know about points though.

Yea, the rules are going to be the big deal now. If they can remove the need for Eldrad + Farseer for the HQ, allow aspects other than dragons and avengers to have a chance, and allow the Eldar to actually be a mobile force again I'll be happy.

I really want to run my striking scorpion shrine again. It's never been viable, but it's been useless for a decade or more now.

Any word on vehicles being able to shoot on the move...i.e.

Move 6", fire weapons, move 6" again?

Id bring my Falcons out of retirement if that was an ability!!

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Any word on vehicles being able to shoot on the move...i.e.

Move 6", fire weapons, move 6" again?

Id bring my Falcons out of retirement if that was an ability!!

There is something called a crystal targeting matrix which is the most expensive vehicle upgrade at 25 pts, not sure what it does though.

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

 Compel wrote:
I can just see 2 months time.

"You thought the WraithKnight was big?! Adeptus Mechanicus Knight Paladin, only £120."

But that would be a good thing in a way (no really, bear with me), because it'd presumably mean an AdMech Codex was coming out.

Anyway, I wonder if this ongoing escalation of big centrepiece units is building up to a new version of Apocalypse. Now I'm trying to guess what giant models other armies will get. Plastic Megadreads perhaps?

That sounds promising!!!

The Crystal targeting matrix was available in 2nd ed as vehicle upgrade cards out of an issue of White Dwarf.

I think im getting sick here at work **cough** **cough** i might just have to go home.....

Anyone notice that in those sample pages, warlocks ae being referred to as Farseers? Probably a mistake, these new codecs have very poor quality control and are filled with errors. Still suck if warlocks didn't exist anymore though.

That's sorta what I was meaning...

Rumours have it that the next 40k thing coming out after Eldar is an updated Apocalypse... Knight Paladins being the big release for it, with extra spikey bits to make a chaos version.

That's sorta what I was meaning...

Rumours have it that the next 40k thing coming out after Eldar is an updated Apocalypse... Knight Paladins being the big release for it, with extra spikey bits to make a chaos version.

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

Spoiler:

What you have there is an excellent example of someone who doesn't understand scale. Imperator and Warmonger Titans are the biggest titans, clocking in at around 60 meters, which is, again, building-sized.

 Kohala wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Any word on vehicles being able to shoot on the move...i.e.

Move 6", fire weapons, move 6" again?

Id bring my Falcons out of retirement if that was an ability!!

There is something called a crystal targeting matrix which is the most expensive vehicle upgrade at 25 pts, not sure what it does though.

What it used to do was allow you to move shoot and move again in the movement phase

Well here is someone with big balls....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-edition-Eldar-codex-New-for-2013-/290921316821?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item43bc4301d5

The LE codex is STILL in stock yet he/she is selling it for almost twice its price.

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

Spoiler:

Even using the 'sliding scale' of big things in 40k, I don't think that's more than a few hundred meters high, which is shorter than plenty of modern-day buildings.

On the other hand, it turns out that 'mountain sized' isn't always that impressive:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Wycheproof

 ausYenLoWang wrote:
cough i put a thread up about this in general discussion but i think the link might be appropriate here...

http://www.thecombatcompany.com/whats-happening-with-the-eldar-release/

GW shafting the aussie community just a bit more with eldar..

Good for them. More companies/customers need to stand up to GW. Hopefully some good comes of it.

 The Spiritseer wrote:
Well here is someone with big balls....
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Limited-edition-Eldar-codex-New-for-2013-/290921316821?pt=UK_Toys_Wargames_RL&hash=item43bc4301d5

The LE codex is STILL in stock yet he/she is selling it for almost twice its price.

I wanna see who is gonna pay this price for it!

Nocturnus wrote:

Good for them. More companies/customers need to stand up to GW. Hopefully some good comes of it.

"We’ve had enough. We’re looking into legal action against GW on the grounds of uncompetitive business practices, blatantly establishing a monopoly on the market and, consequently, forcing customers to deal directly with GW."

I hope other store chains get into this as well.

Is the new WD out yet? I'd like to see some of this stuff in person.

 Harriticus wrote:
Anyone notice that in those sample pages, warlocks ae being referred to as Farseers? Probably a mistake, these new codecs have very poor quality control and are filled with errors. Still suck if warlocks didn't exist anymore though.

Yeah I saw that. I was just guessing they had the same train of thought as I do with proxying " and these extra farseers are warlocks" and "well I really like this warlock model so for this 500pt game, that's a farseer"

 Kroothawk wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
All this talk of the Dire Avenger pricing reminds me of 1984. GW will likely wipe out any official reference to the old box and make it seem like it has always been 5. Then maybe some time in the future after more of those that remember are gone, GW will make an attempt to win popularity from a new generation of gamers by introducing a box of 6 or 7 Dire Avengers at same or slightly higher price and make it sound like the greatest bargain.

Worked with the Warwalker Squadron box. Nobody remembers the old squadron box when warwalkers were released and all praise GW now for its first discount (well, if you forget the Crisis Suit box as well that is).

You mean this box set? I still have a box in shrinkwrap lol...On top of 10 additional War Walkers =(. I also had the Apocalypse Windrider host that had a ton of Jetbikes/Vypers but broke down, opened it up and put it all together so now I have like 30 GJB and 12ish Vypers.

Perfect Organism wrote:

 RunningWithScissors49 wrote:

Iracundus wrote:
Titans are not mountain-sized. Heights of 40-60 meters for Titans is hardly mountain sized. That's building sized. FW's Titan models are consistent with this.

Most of them are building sized

Spoiler:

Even using the 'sliding scale' of big things in 40k, I don't think that's more than a few hundred meters high, which is shorter than plenty of modern-day buildings.

There's the wreck of a building just to the left on the other board, but by modern day buildings I guess you mean flats (apartments)

Dire Avengers now 5 a box for £20 UK? Wow, can see the way prices are going for Games Workshop now.

I just picked up a Dire Avengers box for £22 because it was a 10man box, seemed a good idea at the time, even though I haven't even decided if I will be fielding Eldar again.

So no word on improvements to guardians or DA weapon options. Or are we confirmed to still have the worst troops in the game and will have to rely on allies to even have a hope of scoring objectives?

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So no word on improvements to guardians or DA weapon options. Or are we confirmed to still have the worst troops in the game and will have to rely on allies to even have a hope of scoring objectives?

Woah, best pump your brakes, kid. There are Rangers, Wraithguard, Jetbikes, Dire Avengers, and Guardians. Plenty of variety. Battle Driven allows for run and shooting shenanigans. Guardians are only a point more than Guardsmen and their gun, on a roll of a 6 counts as AP2.

Wraithguard are pretty durable especially with how Warlocks getting conceal as their primaris.


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.318506!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-robertdowneyjr-jpg.jpg

 Mkvenner wrote:

Mr.Church13 wrote:
So no word on improvements to guardians or DA weapon options. Or are we confirmed to still have the worst troops in the game and will have to rely on allies to even have a hope of scoring objectives?

Woah, best pump your brakes, kid. There are Rangers, Wraithguard, Jetbikes, Dire Avengers, and Guardians. Plenty of variety. Battle Driven allows for run and shooting shenanigans. Guardians are only a point more than Guardsmen and their gun, on a roll of a 6 counts as AP2.

Wraithguard are pretty durable especially with how Warlocks getting conceal as their primaris.


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.318506!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-robertdowneyjr-jpg.jpg

Wraithguard aren't troops anymore and I don't like to be forced an HQ slot every game for overpriced troops. I don't know if jet bikes are troops or not anymore, but that matters little as I refuse to buy them at all after seeing that concept sculpt. Run/shoot shoot/run matters little when troops have BS 3 and a 12" range. And anything that happens only on a 6 is worthless (except gauss and that's only because of poorly thought out numbers of HP per vehicle). Not to mention its super likely that its still ONE heavy weapon per no matter how many guardians you take. So to me it looks like the reason for Tau and Dark Eldar being their battle Brothers is clear. It's where you'll pull effective troops from, ones that can actually shoot and survive and have some options.

Anyone fancy buying a Box of 10 Dire Avengers before they become boxes of 5 for £2.50 less ?

Jetbikes are troops.
Spiritseer unlocks WG.
I think the new Shuriken Catapult has made all troops good, but the Guardians really stand out for me. Cheap and can gun down loads in large numbers. Can also hold objectives.