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Puscifer wrote:
Jetbikes are troops.
Spiritseer unlocks WG.
I think the new Shuriken Catapult has made all troops good, but the Guardians really stand out for me. Cheap and can gun down loads in large numbers. Can also hold objectives.

At 12" range (for guardians), they aren't so hot.

Even with run+shoot.. You'll still only get it off once before getting shredded in combat.

Guardians will be what they always were in 5th, backfield objective holders. The bladestorm isn't much of a deterrent to assault based armies.

Anyone else notice that the current warlock models are listed as farseers in the pictures on pg 116 of this thread? Surely warlocks aren't gone? Have we had confirmation that they are in the new dex? Unless there are going to be different tiers of farseer like there used to be for warlocks with champions and masters. Or maybe its a typo?

Bladestorm on SC is awesome though, makes them even more versatile.

Also any word on whether Spiritseers are actually HQ's or if they're a Warlock upgrade, same as now?

Well from that one pic you can see that either spirtseers, warlocks or both have 2 wounds.


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 Tyranid Horde wrote:

Puscifer wrote:
Jetbikes are troops.
Spiritseer unlocks WG.
I think the new Shuriken Catapult has made all troops good, but the Guardians really stand out for me. Cheap and can gun down loads in large numbers. Can also hold objectives.

At 12" range (for guardians), they aren't so hot.

It does however make Shuriken cannons much deadlier, especially against T7 and 8

 Shandara wrote:
Even with run+shoot.. You'll still only get it off once before getting shredded in combat.

So then make sure you kill whatever you shoot at or have another unit like Harlequins/wraithguard/scorpions in front that can take a charge?

Maybe even a unit with hit an run (or a unit with Baron from DE) so you can get out of combat and shoot again?

Mr.Church13 wrote:

Wraithguard aren't troops anymore and I don't like to be forced an HQ slot every game for overpriced troops. I don't know if jet bikes are troops or not anymore, but that matters little as I refuse to buy them at all after seeing that concept sculpt. Run/shoot shoot/run matters little when troops have BS 3 and a 12" range. And anything that happens only on a 6 is worthless (except gauss and that's only because of poorly thought out numbers of HP per vehicle). Not to mention its super likely that its still ONE heavy weapon per no matter how many guardians you take. So to me it looks like the reason for Tau and Dark Eldar being their battle Brothers is clear. It's where you'll pull effective troops from, ones that can actually shoot and survive and have some options.

Wraithguard can be troops and don't have to be bought in big 10 GhostWarrior blocks. Limiting yourself because you can not take a generic HQ is your own choice. I prefer it than having to pay for a special character with a fixed point cost that can be well into 200pts.

Jetbikes are good. Just use the DE Jetbikes, swap out the riders, and fill in the front plate, or rather just get the CE bikes and swap out bits for Guardians/Dire Avengers.

Tau Empire seem to be the better battle brother option. Though there is a case made for the Dark Eldar units since they can take the swift Raiders and powerful Venoms.

Taking allies to shore up apparent weakness in codices has been done to every book since 6th edition started. So it's no surprise that you want to get the most out of your codex as possible by taking allies. I'd like to try them without allies first so I can get a feel for what the real weaknesses are in the new book. Once that is figured out I will see if I can use different options within the codex and then resort to allies.

I'm more worried about the Aspect Warriors than I am about our Troops options.

I'll take 6pt Guardians. All of the special rules that come with them are icing on the cake. Just don't expect Guardians to win battles for you. They need support just like every other unit in the codex.

I cant ever justify paying £70 for a piece of plastic. No WK for me :(

is the wraithcannon still 2+ wound 6 autokill and vs vehicles 3-4 glance 5-6 Pen?

So do guardians have a confirmed pts cost?

 dude163 wrote:
is the wraithcannon still 2+ wound 6 autokill and vs vehicles 3-4 glance 5-6 Pen?

Rumor says it's now str10, AP2 and might have an increased range of 20<. Though that might just be for the WK wraithcannon in case it's different from the guard variant.

Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Pre-order the codex, and if you want, get what is cool. I got the flyer, as its pretty much mandatory for my meta.

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Codex for sure.

Unless you want to end up with three boxes of Warp Talons, and a box of Mutilators (You don't)

Take your time to evaluate the units in the codex, so you don't end up wasting money on terrible units.

Pre-ordering is all well and good if what matters to you is being first on the block to field it, or if you already KNOW that you're going to make use of the unit.

Well, I bought a box of DA for £22 before they change the pack.
I think the growth of my Eldar army is going to be slow. I don't have the money for these kind of prices and I want to wait for a bit and see if there is a second wave before I buy too much stuff. But that's ok, I love my DE so I'm fine slowly incorporating more allies.

Yeah codex is definitely a must, since no matter how crappy the planes or WK might be you will definitely use the codex.

Wow. A lot of advice very quickly. So I'm probably going to pre-order the codex and some small things, not going to spend too much money on something that ends up lacking in the stats department. Thanks

I pretty much went with codex, cards,Farseer (like I don't already have a ton of those, but then I play Ulthwe), the two new characters, and the plane. I'm confident enough that the plane will be an effective aerial superiority platform to get it right off.

That, and I like planes.

"I like planes" As good a reason as any I've heard!

I really went to town...
One Wraithknight, two planes, two boxes of Wraithguards, a new farseer, the cards and the Codex... I'm sooooo poor now and I really hope some of these units are good.
But to be honest, I got the WK and the flyers mostly for the look of them. And I've always wanted to field a unit of WG ^^

...got 25% off and the £ isn't really that strong atm. that helped

If the rumors about the fighter are true, it's going decimate other flyers. 4 S8 shots, 2 with lance... also if it truly gets an exarch for a pilot BS5 is going to be gross.

Enigma how did you get the 25% discount?

Yeah fellas,
The codex and Psyker cards for sure on week one, Wraithguard box the next week, and a second and third on the following weeks.
The flyer can wait, as I have a bomber from the Forgeworld series.
Man I just hope they bring back Exodite Dragon Knights!! The eldar need a good cavalry unit -- almost every other army has one, why not the Eldar??

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Man I just hope they bring back Exodite Dragon Knights!! The eldar need a good cavalry unit -- almost every other army has one??

Eh?

Only Cavalry armies I know of are Daemons, Space Wolves and Imperial Guard...

Bloodhorror wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Man I just hope they bring back Exodite Dragon Knights!! The eldar need a good cavalry unit -- almost every other army has one??

Eh?

Only Cavalry armies I know of are Daemons, Space Wolves and Imperial Guard...

My thoughts too, and only a couple of the daemons and the TWC could be classed as good...

KaiyaA wrote:
Is it better to pre-order stuff or buy the codex first in you guys' opinion?

Buy the book, make a proxy army and try it out, if it works to your liking, buy the models.

Nocturnus wrote:
If the rumors about the fighter are true, it's going decimate other flyers. 4 S8 shots, 2 with lance... also if it truly gets an exarch for a pilot BS5 is going to be gross.

Why would lance matter against other Flyers?