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 Sasori wrote:
You can only fire two weapons as a MC. And, those will all likely jack up the cost, on an already expensive unit.

I had not even considered that. I don't generally field MCs but if that's true as you say it's a fairly big factor against taking WKs.


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 Sasori wrote:
EDIT: Wherein I can nearly get two Warp Hunters, for the cost of a single Wraith Knight, with a Large Blast D weapon, and a torrent D weapon.

When you can include forgeworld units a lot of things go out the window.

After seeing the stats/rules for the Wraithknight, I am glad I didn't order one. The other stuff is very exciting though.

 ph34r wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
You can only fire two weapons as a MC. And, those will all likely jack up the cost, on an already expensive unit.

I had not even considered that. I don't generally field MCs but if that's true as you say it's a fairly big factor against taking WKs.


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 Sasori wrote:
EDIT: Wherein I can nearly get two Warp Hunters, for the cost of a single Wraith Knight, with a Large Blast D weapon, and a torrent D weapon.

When you can include forgeworld units a lot of things go out the window.

MCs can only fire at maximum, two weapons. Unless it has special rules that would allow it to fire more, it's stuck with two weapons.

Even if I didn't take Forgeworld, at this point I wouldn't take a Wraith Knight. Granted, without the codex, it's a bit early to tell, but that's my preliminary view.

 ph34r wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
You can only fire two weapons as a MC. And, those will all likely jack up the cost, on an already expensive unit.

I had not even considered that. I don't generally field MCs but if that's true as you say it's a fairly big factor against taking WKs.


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 Sasori wrote:
EDIT: Wherein I can nearly get two Warp Hunters, for the cost of a single Wraith Knight, with a Large Blast D weapon, and a torrent D weapon.

When you can include forgeworld units a lot of things go out the window.

I forgot about only shooting 2 weapons! good point!!!!

everyone can use most forgeworld.....most of it is 40k approved.

Any news of the Nightspinner, did they include it this time?
didnt see the weapon in wargear link.

lobos wrote:
Any news of the Nightspinner, did they include it this time?
didnt see the weapon in wargear link.

I'm sure the Nightspinner is included.

lobos wrote:
Any news of the Nightspinner, did they include it this time?
didnt see the weapon in wargear link.

its in there 15pt more than a cool benjamin.

Here is its weapon

mono-cannon two firing forms scattered shot (scatter) 48" s 7 ap 6 heavy 1 large blast, monofilament, pinning, barrage
concentrated: flame s 7 ap 6 heavy 1 monofilament, torrent.

monofilmanet: if the targeted unit has initiative 3 or less (or nothing) the strength of the weapon counts as beeing one point higher. on a wound roll of 6 thiw weapon wounds automatically and counts as ap 1
units with mixed initiative use the highest initiative.


preatty cool! and it has torrent!!!

 Sasori wrote:

lobos wrote:
Any news of the Nightspinner, did they include it this time?
didnt see the weapon in wargear link.

I'm sure the Nightspinner is included.

The Mono-cannon in that link looks like the Night Spinner weapon, although with optional torrent flamer mode. I'm a bit disappointed it longer seems to have the difficult/dangerous terrain rule or Rending, meaning it's absolutely useless against vehicles, but oh well. Torrent mode would be a nice consolation prize.

One thing I didn't see in there was the Biting Blade for the Scorpion Exarch. It's got the Chain-sabres and Scorpion Claw, but no Biting Blade. Claw got a massive boost assuming those are accurate. Not Unwieldy or Specialist Weapon.

Ahhh that is nice, it always was the quite achiever in my lists, STR 7 could be interesting.

Chrysis wrote:

 Sasori wrote:

lobos wrote:
Any news of the Nightspinner, did they include it this time?
didnt see the weapon in wargear link.

I'm sure the Nightspinner is included.

The Mono-cannon in that link looks like the Night Spinner weapon, although with optional torrent flamer mode. I'm a bit disappointed it longer seems to have the difficult/dangerous terrain rule or Rending, meaning it's absolutely useless against vehicles, but oh well. Torrent mode would be a nice consolation prize.

it is str 7 barrage dude with monofiliment...it can mess up alot of tanks....

I didn't spot the S7. S7 vs. Side is a much better prospect than 6, although it's still not going to gum up the tracks on a Land Raider. It was never going to kill it, but making it take Dangerous terrain tests could ruin battle plans.

Also Monofilament, as rumoured, does exactly squat to vehicles. It's only on a To Wound roll, which you'll never do against a vehicle.

Indeed S 7 will pen a lot of side armour with a lucky roll AP1 on a six.
Always was a fun toy for cowering MEQ behind cover.

Chrysis wrote:
I didn't spot the S7. S7 vs. Side is a much better prospect than 6, although it's still not going to gum up the tracks on a Land Raider. It was never going to kill it, but making it take Dangerous terrain tests could ruin battle plans.

I agree, it was unique and cool and wish they kept it as well regardless if the new version is still good or not.

now if they would just change the force org to about 6 heavy slots I might even be able to take some of these toys, reaperz got their proper missiles back too, if a read it right?

I can understand removing it from a book keeping perspective. But I'll miss forcing my opponent to make choices on if moving is worth the risk.

Also, if accurate, the Cannon might be S8 vs. vehicles. The rumour for monofilament is that if the target Initiative is 3 or less (or nothing) it gets +1 Strength. Most vehicles don't have an Initiative value, so if that counts as Nothing for monofilament that boosts anti-vehicle effectiveness considerably.

This is all assuming the rumours are all accurate, and with the number of typos in that page it's a stretch. Creamer Cannon anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if the Nightspinner was S6 like every other mono-filament weapon.

well I just assumed the creamer cannon was for pie plates, cream ones, seems like a nice space clown wep.

So.. is if an autarch can take as he pleases from the wargear list is anyone else thinking for like 200 pts of fun (autarch, jet bike, striking scorpion power claw snap shot disarm ability and fire Pike for 2 shot 18 in. melta with 2+ re rollable cover?) And hit and run with probably 4 or 5 base attacks at str. 6 I'm very excited for this book xD and then if there's points left take the Phoenix gem thing to come back to life!

 Overlord Zerrtin wrote:
So.. is if an autarch can take as he pleases from the wargear list is anyone else thinking for like 200 pts of fun (autarch, jet bike, striking scorpion power claw snap shot disarm ability and fire Pike for 2 shot 18 in. melta with 2+ re rollable cover?) And hit and run with probably 4 or 5 base attacks at str. 6 I'm very excited for this book xD and then if there's points left take the Phoenix gem thing to come back to life!

unless i missed something autarchs dont get exarch powers just weapons.


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Chrysis wrote:
I can understand removing it from a book keeping perspective. But I'll miss forcing my opponent to make choices on if moving is worth the risk.

Also, if accurate, the Cannon might be S8 vs. vehicles. The rumour for monofilament is that if the target Initiative is 3 or less (or nothing) it gets +1 Strength. Most vehicles don't have an Initiative value, so if that counts as Nothing for monofilament that boosts anti-vehicle effectiveness considerably.

This is all assuming the rumours are all accurate, and with the number of typos in that page it's a stretch. Creamer Cannon anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if the Nightspinner was S6 like every other mono-filament weapon.

these arent rumors they are from the codex and your right it has no initiative so +1 strength!!!

Why’d they change the name of the Vibrocannon? And the Scatterlaser? Or is that just a translation thing?

I do like the replacement name for Krak Missiles. But wait... hold on... whoa... Reaper Launchers can fire the Starstrikes as well? Meaning Reapers can be anti-tank? Yikes!!!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why’d they change the name of the Vibrocannon? And the Scatterlaser? Or is that just a translation thing?

I do like the replacement name for Krak Missiles. But wait... hold on... whoa... Reaper Launchers can fire the Starstrikes as well? Meaning Reapers can be anti-tank? Yikes!!!

its translation from german codex, his translations are funny.


and yes you read that right!! reapers!!!! with big missiles!!

Is there any info about the duality of psychic powers? When using a power, does it do both effects or do we have to choose?

lobos wrote:
Indeed S 7 will pen a lot of side armour with a lucky roll AP1 on a six.
Always was a fun toy for cowering MEQ behind cover.

Guys, remember the FAQ already has an errata for the Nightspinner's weapon reducing it to STR 6.

Theorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why’d they change the name of the Vibrocannon? And the Scatterlaser? Or is that just a translation thing?

I do like the replacement name for Krak Missiles. But wait... hold on... whoa... Reaper Launchers can fire the Starstrikes as well? Meaning Reapers can be anti-tank? Yikes!!!

its translation from german codex, his translations are funny.


and yes you read that right!! reapers!!!! with big missiles!!

About time.

Are WaveSerpents or Falcons cheaper? I like BS 4 Vipers, makes 1 shot weapons a little bettern. Or same cost with higher BS? (trade-off, I guess)

 Magc8Ball wrote:

lobos wrote:
Indeed S 7 will pen a lot of side armour with a lucky roll AP1 on a six.
Always was a fun toy for cowering MEQ behind cover.

Guys, remember the FAQ already has an errata for the Nightspinner's weapon reducing it to STR 6.

so that would make it 7 with mono, good point

Theorius wrote:

 Overlord Zerrtin wrote:
So.. is if an autarch can take as he pleases from the wargear list is anyone else thinking for like 200 pts of fun (autarch, jet bike, striking scorpion power claw snap shot disarm ability and fire Pike for 2 shot 18 in. melta with 2+ re rollable cover?) And hit and run with probably 4 or 5 base attacks at str. 6 I'm very excited for this book xD and then if there's points left take the Phoenix gem thing to come back to life!

unless i missed something autarchs dont get exarch powers just weapons.


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Chrysis wrote:
I can understand removing it from a book keeping perspective. But I'll miss forcing my opponent to make choices on if moving is worth the risk.

Also, if accurate, the Cannon might be S8 vs. vehicles. The rumour for monofilament is that if the target Initiative is 3 or less (or nothing) it gets +1 Strength. Most vehicles don't have an Initiative value, so if that counts as Nothing for monofilament that boosts anti-vehicle effectiveness considerably.

This is all assuming the rumours are all accurate, and with the number of typos in that page it's a stretch. Creamer Cannon anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if the Nightspinner was S6 like every other mono-filament weapon.

these arent rumors they are from the codex and your right it has no initiative so +1 strength!!!

They're rumours until I see them in the codex in 2/3 days time.

They may be credible rumours, but the fact that it's a home made translation effort coupled with the innumerable spelling mistakes means I'm not going to accept them as 100% accurate. When 7 is right next to 6 on a keyboard and every other similar weapon has the same Strength I'm not going to take as gospel that the mono-cannon is S7.

Theorius wrote:

 Magc8Ball wrote:

lobos wrote:
Indeed S 7 will pen a lot of side armour with a lucky roll AP1 on a six.
Always was a fun toy for cowering MEQ behind cover.

Guys, remember the FAQ already has an errata for the Nightspinner's weapon reducing it to STR 6.

so that would make it 7 with mono, good point

Ah, that would make sense I suppose if GW forgot until the last minute that vehicles would get an automatic +1 str against them for low initiative, assuming that all is true.

 evildrspock wrote:

Theorius wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Why’d they change the name of the Vibrocannon? And the Scatterlaser? Or is that just a translation thing?

I do like the replacement name for Krak Missiles. But wait... hold on... whoa... Reaper Launchers can fire the Starstrikes as well? Meaning Reapers can be anti-tank? Yikes!!!

its translation from german codex, his translations are funny.


and yes you read that right!! reapers!!!! with big missiles!!

About time.

Are WaveSerpents or Falcons cheaper? I like BS 4 Vipers, makes 1 shot weapons a little bettern. Or same cost with higher BS? (trade-off, I guess)

serpents are 15 more than a benjamin, add 10 to that for a falcon.

serpents have that cool serpent shield turns pens into glances on 2+ that plus buying a holofield that bad boy will live for a bit id say.

Chrysis wrote:
This is all assuming the rumours are all accurate, and with the number of typos in that page it's a stretch. Creamer Cannon anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if the Nightspinner was S6 like every other mono-filament weapon.

Creamer cannon -> Screamer cannon, I assume. That's a thing, right?

Chrysis wrote:

Theorius wrote:

 Overlord Zerrtin wrote:
So.. is if an autarch can take as he pleases from the wargear list is anyone else thinking for like 200 pts of fun (autarch, jet bike, striking scorpion power claw snap shot disarm ability and fire Pike for 2 shot 18 in. melta with 2+ re rollable cover?) And hit and run with probably 4 or 5 base attacks at str. 6 I'm very excited for this book xD and then if there's points left take the Phoenix gem thing to come back to life!

unless i missed something autarchs dont get exarch powers just weapons.


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Chrysis wrote:
I can understand removing it from a book keeping perspective. But I'll miss forcing my opponent to make choices on if moving is worth the risk.

Also, if accurate, the Cannon might be S8 vs. vehicles. The rumour for monofilament is that if the target Initiative is 3 or less (or nothing) it gets +1 Strength. Most vehicles don't have an Initiative value, so if that counts as Nothing for monofilament that boosts anti-vehicle effectiveness considerably.

This is all assuming the rumours are all accurate, and with the number of typos in that page it's a stretch. Creamer Cannon anyone? I wouldn't be surprised if the Nightspinner was S6 like every other mono-filament weapon.

these arent rumors they are from the codex and your right it has no initiative so +1 strength!!!

They're rumours until I see them in the codex in 2/3 days time.

They may be credible rumours, but the fact that it's a home made translation effort coupled with the innumerable spelling mistakes means I'm not going to accept them as 100% accurate. When 7 is right next to 6 on a keyboard and every other similar weapon has the same Strength I'm not going to take as gospel that the mono-cannon is S7.

humn error doesnt turn actual rules into rumors, they are still circumspect due to the points you made, but it does not make it a rumor.

lobos wrote:
now if they would just change the force org to about 6 heavy slots I might even be able to take some of these toys, reaperz got their proper missiles back too, if a read it right?

Take Bel-Annath from IA:11 now that runes of warding are no where near as good as they were. 4 heavy support slots!