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2013/08/19 13:13:19
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
Maybe with most (all?) of the production being in the USA it won't be as much of a...factor?
There's no chance of much if any of the production for KS 2 being in the USA
KS1 demanded 12+ (I think, it may have been more) machines in China run by an experienced factory for many months (and was still late on delivery)
Reaper has a single machine and no (little by the time of KS 2) experience with it, so they'll go to China to supply the new, volume production
what their machine will be very good for is topping up production of stuff that's in short supply while waiting for a Chinese shipment, and testing out new moulds plastic recipeis etc
as they get more machines & staff they'll be able to do more in house, but not yet
2013/08/19 14:56:28
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Reaper makes this kickstarter less of a value, and probably increases the ROW shipping.
I really feel for both sides of this. As an international supporter, I would want clear communicaiton, shipping as quick as possible, etc. But as a shipper, holy cow, is shipping internationally a PITA.
I know I feel like a tool when I'm selling stuff on eBay and have to cancel bids from international bidders. It's not that I don't want the money, it's just not worth the hassle.
2013/08/19 15:10:02
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
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2013/08/19 15:34:55
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
If they bring out lots of monsters, townsfolk and scenery I think I might spring for it.
This. I've got enough generic PC guys to last a lifetime (plus bones are too mediocre to really use as PC's).. Gimme horde monsters and giants. Small scenery is also a good idea. Do some tables and chairs, barrels, chests,etc. I wonder how cheap they could do somjething like a 3" x3" cottage?
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2013/08/19 16:45:12
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
Ehh, I think bones is fine for PC quality miniatures.
But more scenery would be nice. Also, I think that if they work on getting models that are more designed to be made via bones material, they might hold the detail better.
Polonius wrote: If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Reaper makes this kickstarter less of a value, and probably increases the ROW shipping.
I really feel for both sides of this. As an international supporter, I would want clear communication, shipping as quick as possible, etc. But as a shipper, holy cow, is shipping internationally a PITA.
I know I feel like a tool when I'm selling stuff on eBay and have to cancel bids from international bidders. It's not that I don't want the money, it's just not worth the hassle.
Much as I would love to disagree with you.... Yeah, shipping has become a heck of a lot harder over the last decade or so. :(
It used to be so easy, and not all that expensive. Then, suddenly, *BAM!* rates skyrocketed and the paperwork doubled.
Made me hate the post office....
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2013/08/20 09:43:38
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
A software glitch had the new bones up for sale on the Reaper site very briefly yesterday..
As soon as they realised they were pulled, but in explaining it was not deliberate they let slip they were meant to go live on 26th August...... Maybe the date the (internally at least) hope to have the last package out of the door
2013/08/20 11:04:32
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
Polonius wrote: If I were a betting man, I'd wager that Reaper makes this kickstarter less of a value, and probably increases the ROW shipping.
I really feel for both sides of this. As an international supporter, I would want clear communicaiton, shipping as quick as possible, etc. But as a shipper, holy cow, is shipping internationally a PITA.
I know I feel like a tool when I'm selling stuff on eBay and have to cancel bids from international bidders. It's not that I don't want the money, it's just not worth the hassle.
Yeah shipping is insane, misterjustin (Secret Weapon) and Adam Poots (Kingdom Death: Monster) were talking to Cyporiean about plastics and kickstarters during GenCon... Poots spent 400 grand on shipping. He spent more on shipping than misterjustin and On the Lamb made in their kickstarters.
It would suck that the ROW gets shafted on the shipping, but man it's a rough one.
Also when and why did this get moved out of Misc Minis?
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2013/08/20 13:00:48
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
Alfndrate wrote: Yeah shipping is insane, misterjustin (Secret Weapon) and Adam Poots (Kingdom Death: Monster) were talking to Cyporiean about plastics and kickstarters during GenCon... Poots spent 400 grand on shipping. He spent more on shipping than misterjustin and On the Lamb made in their kickstarters.
It would suck that the ROW gets shafted on the shipping, but man it's a rough one.
Also when and why did this get moved out of Misc Minis?
Maybe people will start looking at a single large container to the EU/AUS/other larger ROW customer locations for distribution by a partner company at local postage rates, with the only international shipping being for people in ROW locations where it is cheaper to just post out their stuff than ship in bulk and break up for local distribution.
lord_blackfang wrote: So Bones are going retail before I get my Kickstarter stuff. Lovely.
Maybe
The won't be going retail until everything has shipped at the very least
It's possible they will hit retail (in the USA) while they are in transit to you
It's very unlikely they'll hit retail in a ROW country as stores/distributors from outside the USA will have exactly the same shipping time & customs issues to deal with as you do
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Maybe people will start looking at a single large container to the EU/AUS/other larger ROW customer locations for distribution by a partner company at local postage rates, with the only international shipping being for people in ROW locations where it is cheaper to just post out their stuff than ship in bulk and break up for local distribution.
It's certainly an attractive option if you get the numbers of backers in a territory to make it work
But choosing to do so means you need to keep your campaign simple, lots of companies are delighted to 'drop ship' a simple box with a barcode on to whatever addresses you choose, and it's not terribly expensive to arrange (eg Amazon fulfilment)
but the moment you start needing packers to choose between box A, B and C (or combinations of them) costs go up a lot, and something as complex as Bones would probably just be offered a price that would make financial sense (and single items in plastic bags are probably a no go area, everything would need a barcode)
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2013/08/20 23:12:40
Subject: Re:Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
I got my e-mail today, which means I'll have a big, big box in about two weeks. Between then and now I will have to get rid of a lot of stuff to make space. I sense a lot of old old metal going to the recycling center...
sparkywtf wrote: Ehh, I think bones is fine for PC quality miniatures.
But more scenery would be nice. Also, I think that if they work on getting models that are more designed to be made via bones material, they might hold the detail better.
Regarding PC quality miniatures - completely without snark, it depends on your, well, we'll call them "standards" and that of your group - though that sounds unintentionally elitist, and it's not meant to be. I know roleplayers who game with unpainted figures from Warhammer Quest. I know others who use D&D miniatures, unpainted models (maybe with a wash at best) and Reaper's pre-paint line. For the group that plays at my place, for the PCs, it's metal GW and Reaper figures. Customised kitbashed GW plastics, etc etc. Updated with new models when people get significant gear changes/upgrades All (well) painted by me. But that's because I'm a miniatures guy, so my personal "standards" of miniature requirements are naturally different to others who aren't miniatures people quite so much.
Compete agreement on more scenery (but hopefully less warpage on the straight lines!) and that minis designed for Bones will hopefully work out better.
The sculpt, detail, and quality are on a par with GW and other manufacturers. The mini looks, I think, really good.
A friend who went in on the Bones Kickstarter got that model in the Bones plastic/resin. I had a look at the two side by side and the quality looks just as good. So, I'd say any perceived lower quality of Bones is probably dependent on the sculpt in question, rather than only the material itself--the above is one example which I think looked equally good in both materials. Definitely a 'good' quality mini suitable for use as a PC, IMO. Like Azazelx, I paint/convert miniatures to represent my PCs in RPGs, rather than using prepainted ones.
2013/08/22 00:24:05
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
sparkywtf wrote: Ehh, I think bones is fine for PC quality miniatures.
But more scenery would be nice. Also, I think that if they work on getting models that are more designed to be made via bones material, they might hold the detail better.
Regarding PC quality miniatures - completely without snark, it depends on your, well, we'll call them "standards" and that of your group - though that sounds unintentionally elitist, and it's not meant to be. I know roleplayers who game with unpainted figures from Warhammer Quest. I know others who use D&D miniatures, unpainted models (maybe with a wash at best) and Reaper's pre-paint line. For the group that plays at my place, for the PCs, it's metal GW and Reaper figures. Customised kitbashed GW plastics, etc etc. Updated with new models when people get significant gear changes/upgrades All (well) painted by me. But that's because I'm a miniatures guy, so my personal "standards" of miniature requirements are naturally different to others who aren't miniatures people quite so much.
Compete agreement on more scenery (but hopefully less warpage on the straight lines!) and that minis designed for Bones will hopefully work out better.
I completely understand where you are coming from and it makes sense! I guess part of it is biased because every group I end up playing in falls apart a few months in, so its hard to justify the time spent for a high quality paint job.
I wouldn't be surprised if bones 2.0 had some great quality models that are more designed for the bones material.
I actually do think that, on the average, the Reaper Bones do have a slightly lower quality.
But that is more than offset by the price.
The minis are definitely better than the days when that was the normal price for a human sized figure, so I am not comparing a $2 Bones figure to a $7 resin figure from 2013, I am comparing it to a $2 lead figure from 1990....
I am more than happy with the Bones for the retail price, and ecstatic about the KS price.
More importantly, Bones are inexpensive enough to be an impulse buy!(Not that spending $300+ on the Kickstarter was an impulse buy... but I have plenty of pre-KS Bones that were.)
Those Bones made me giddy.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2013/08/22 03:04:23
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
I ended up getting some duplicates of some metal miniatures I had already in my bones. I painted one up and I can't really tell the difference other than by picking them up. I imagine if someone was a truly great painter, the difference would be more pronounced, but I base coat, shade and highlight twice and I can't tell the difference between the metal and bones.
EDIT: Mould line removal was more annoying though. Traditional methods work, but then you have to go back over the other direction to remove any fuzzies.
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Balance in pick up games? Two people, each with their own goals for the game, design half a board game on their own without knowing the layout of the board and hope it all works out. Good luck with that. The faster you can find like minded individuals who want the same things from the game as you, the better.
2013/08/22 15:42:25
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
frozenwastes wrote: I ended up getting some duplicates of some metal miniatures I had already in my bones. I painted one up and I can't really tell the difference other than by picking them up. I imagine if someone was a truly great painter, the difference would be more pronounced, but I base coat, shade and highlight twice and I can't tell the difference between the metal and bones.
EDIT: Mould line removal was more annoying though. Traditional methods work, but then you have to go back over the other direction to remove any fuzzies.
As many others have said, some Bones are better than others. I've raved about the purple worm (pre-KS) model a few times, and the praise is very well deserved. OTOH, the Iron Golem (KS) and Troll (pre-KS) are both nice for the price, but just not as good as metals. I can well believe that some of the "PC"-type figures are just as good in the Bones material, but it's basically luck of the draw, and then another roll of the dice to see if the figure fits any of your party. As Magos said (or insinuated) the Bones models also make very good conversion fodder for RPGPCs, since it's pretty simple to lop off an arm/head/etc to swap out or use to replace the part on a different model. I'll probably keep quite a few aside for that very purpose.
Yeah, I ordered Tre Manor's "bugbear" model in metal... 2 copies of it, and I'm really happy with it. Saw it in Bones material and don't think it's quite as good...
Mostly, I'm looking for one-off models from the range, so metal works fine for me. If they would make more massed units, the bones material would be a bigger draw for me... but for so many character-type and monster-type sculpts, I'm willing to pay more for higher quality.
That said, I'm extremely interested that they're doing another kickstarter... will likely just watch it again, but man it was entertaining the first time around and will likely be so again.
2013/08/22 17:36:57
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
That's totally fair, and is similar to things like Kingdom Death offering resin and plastic versions of their models. In that case, the resin is too expensive for me... but metal is a nice middle ground price-to-quality-wise.
Albiet, one that is likely to disappear sooner rather than later, given the way things are going!
2013/08/23 00:24:41
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
frozenwastes wrote: EDIT: Mould line removal was more annoying though. Traditional methods work, but then you have to go back over the other direction to remove any fuzzies.
I have had good luck with slicing the mould lines off instead of trying to scrape or file them off - I end up with thin strings instead of fuzzies.
Takes practice, but it works.
The Auld Grump
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
2013/08/23 17:00:08
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
Yesterday was the last day of shipping, and also the day I received my shipping notice - Lol, just my luck! Ah well, they're on the way now
And their final sign-off video was nice.
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2013/08/24 20:26:49
Subject: Reaper Miniatures' Bones figures has a Kickstarter
Kilkrazy wrote:When I was a young boy all my wargames were narratively based because I played with my toy soldiers and vehicles without the use of any rules.
The reason I bought rules and became a real wargamer was because I wanted a properly thought out structure to govern the action instead of just making things up as I went along.
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