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 Verd_Warr wrote:

 Swara wrote:

blood reaper wrote:
Also note what Matt says about a double 1 wiping out you're entire army....

*Sigh*

I'll go first

*Cocks gun towards head*

He said wipe your own army, which might just mean they hit themselves with whatever they are shooting with.

The context is rolling on the "Warp Storm Table." So, is that a psychic power, an army rule, a daemonic gift...?

I'm not sure, I'm thinking psychic power. I'm gonna wait for more info before I worry too much.

Nobody seems to be bothered about the message that store owners should direct sales away from their store. Am I the only one that noticed?

 Hulksmash wrote:
Correction for me being and idiot, definitely over 2k but that would still imply 2 for 1 slots on the heralds.

And poop, the new chariots are all heavies too. That means I'm not gonna be able to make a super friends chariot amry

If you can stick a herald on a chariot, you can bring 3 in the heavy solts, and another 4 for heralds.

If the chariots are like the seeker chariots from the WD release, that would be a total of 9 chariots plus the 4 heralds.

15 chariots is a lot of chariots.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Nobody seems to be bothered about the message that store owners should direct sales away from their store. Am I the only one that noticed?

The fact it is referencing the crazy expensive limited editions of the books lessens the outrage I would think. The normal (arguably crazy expensive still) editions aren't a part of the warning.

I am a bit unclear, are the rumoured Greater Daemons just missing from the leak, or are none at all getting released with the codex initially?

Those are very, very cool looking models. I'm kind of shocked that there are so many Codex releases in such a short period of time.

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I am a bit unclear, are the rumoured Greater Daemons just missing from the leak, or are none at all getting released with the codex initially?

If they're coming, I think I've heard that wave 2 is where it's at.

Makes sense, release new stuff wave one to cut off third parties, release resculpts in wave 2.

-Shrike- wrote:
From Fundaemons.blogspot.com

Herald of Nurgle - 25/30
Herald of Khorne - 22.25/30
Herald of Slaanesh - 22.25/30

Wait, plastic is now MORE expensive than finecast?

Surely there are some pics of the new greater demons, all the rumors upto this point have said we would be getting two in the initial wave.

Had myhopes up, but it doesn't look like we are. :(

CleverAntics wrote:
Nurgle without FnP...? I can't see it being taken away from Nurgle units,

Back in 3Ed only HQs and Deamon princes of Khorne could take the Feel no Pain option, Heck we where the only models to have that rule, at the time Sm Apoticaries Narthecium rule was "... cancel first wound inflicted to the squad...", Bionics where " if you loss your last wound, on a 6 you stand back up with 1 Wound" and maybe Death Company also had Feel No Pain, but i'm not sure...

And at the time Nurgle Deamons did fine without FnP.

After finding out they CAN regain it - or they still have it under the universal 'Daemon of Nurgle' special rule, we'll see - through some means, I'm sated. To me, Nurgle personifies that special rule as much as being the definition of it.

Those leaked WD pages dont mention the Cangeling for Pinkies...
Should I get worried?

 azreal13 wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I am a bit unclear, are the rumoured Greater Daemons just missing from the leak, or are none at all getting released with the codex initially?

If they're coming, I think I've heard that wave 2 is where it's at.

Makes sense, release new stuff wave one to cut off third parties, release resculpts in wave 2.

Or it could be the entire rumor is bogus and we're scrabbling for explanations. My money's on no new Greater Daemons this year, or the next.

Observations from the leaks

No fnp on the nurgle deamons, probably gone out the window to be replaced with shrouding.

The beasts are beasts are beasts. 4 wounds, it will not die, and attention seekers. Beasts can move through cover without penalty + shrouded =easy 3+ cover

The flies will probably have jink and shrouded. 3+ cover.

 schadenfreude wrote:
Observations from the leaks

No fnp on the nurgle deamons, probably gone out the window to be replaced with shrouding.

The beasts are beasts are beasts. 4 wounds, it will not die, and attention seekers. Beasts can move through cover without penalty + shrouded =easy 3+ cover

The flies will probably have jink and shrouded. 3+ cover.

Don't we already know this isn't the case? The Plague Drones profile was in the White Dwarf, they are Jet Pack Cavalry and they don't have Jink listed as a special rule.

What "Daemon of Nurgle" grants them I can't say, but Jink wouldn't be hidden there.

no love at all for Slanesh? I was thinking of starting a Slanesh army only because of the look of all the daemonettes-variants. Is that a possible misstake? are they no good in current codex? or are they just good while nurgle and khorne are awsome?

why are there no rumors or interest in slanesh?


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Im talking 40K by the way

The big Slaanesh release was the chariot kit they put out last year.

The WD articles and battle report focus on the new releases which is why there's not much talk about Slaanesh at the moment IMO.

Also weren't most of the stats we are seeing(outside the flies) for fantasy?

I am guessing wiping out your own army was that each unit will takes hits if you roll a double 1 (or something like that) with a particular power

Also on instability I am guessing that it is just a fearless change.

Anyone know for sure what they are?

 Agamemnon2 wrote:

 azreal13 wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I am a bit unclear, are the rumoured Greater Daemons just missing from the leak, or are none at all getting released with the codex initially?

If they're coming, I think I've heard that wave 2 is where it's at.
Makes sense, release new stuff wave one to cut off third parties, release resculpts in wave 2.

Or it could be the entire rumor is bogus and we're scrabbling for explanations. My money's on no new Greater Daemons this year, or the next.

How much money?

 azreal13 wrote:

 MajorTom11 wrote:
I am a bit unclear, are the rumoured Greater Daemons just missing from the leak, or are none at all getting released with the codex initially?

If they're coming, I think I've heard that wave 2 is where it's at.

Makes sense, release new stuff wave one to cut off third parties, release resculpts in wave 2.

I think it generally makes sales and marketing sense also. You want to strike while the iron is hot, and kits of the new units are going to be more appealing at release to both new and existing players of that army.

Back on topic, I love the crescent moon head option for the Tzeentch herald. That takes me back.

I noticed something odd in the pictures of the Fantasy army book that Pretre posted from Natfka.

The unit description page for the Plaguebearers lists three different "upgrades" available to the unit. However, the army list section of the book with the points cost for the unit doesn't give any options for taking upgrades.

Are those upgrades tied to the Herald maybe?

Saldiven wrote:
I noticed something odd in the pictures of the Fantasy army book that Pretre posted from Natfka.

The unit description page for the Plaguebearers lists three different "upgrades" available to the unit. However, the army list section of the book with the points cost for the unit doesn't give any options for taking upgrades.

Are those upgrades tied to the Herald maybe?

Seems they are going that route for both fantasy and 40k

Saldiven wrote:


Are those upgrades tied to the Herald maybe?

Almost certainly. The page included info for the herald too, I think.

I had the white dwarf delivered today and in the battle report there is something which might shed light on the instability thing:

"The sole survivor of the Sternguard charges into the Flamers alongside Captain Lysander. They win the combat and cause the remainder to fail their Daemonic Instability test".

So we can learn a few things from this:

1) Daemonic Instability kicks in when you loose combat and there is no mention in the batrep of the Flamers comming back on deep strike or some such

and

2) Flamers have changed. A lot. Because he charges 7 Flamers, and with the current rules they would have dealt 7d3 auto hits that kills a sternguard on 4+. My guess is that they can't overwatch any more.

Other interesting things from the batrep:

- EVERY Daemon choice has Deepstrike, but doesn't have to use it. In the batrep he deployed everything but 2 choices.

- PB don't have FnP, but the Heralds gives abilities to squads they join depending on what you have purchased for the Heralds.

- The Daemon prince placed a token, and from that token there spawned a random minimum sized troop choice every turn on a 4+

- The flaming Chariot "eats vehicles"

- The "Warp Storm Table" is a table Daemons must roll every shooting phase. It is hinted at as being something that is always there when Daemons appear, so perhaps a general rule like Daemonic Asssault was in the old days.

Maybe you get Daemonic Instability instead of failing Morale?

That would be crazy. Kinda like Auto-Regroup with ATSKNF but you're off the table for part of the turn.

Daemonic Instability kicks in when you loose combat

That's LOSE combat, not loose.

I'm wondering how much fun this is going to be when fighting a Warhammer battle that takes a few hours. In the past Daemonic Instability was one of those things that seemed like it would be colorful fun in an RPG type setting, but it just sucked a lot of the fun out of using Daemons in Warhammer battles. Daemon units would crumble so quickly after losing a combat that it made them hardly worth unpacking them and putting them on the table at times. My experience was that I'd be taking so many additional models off after losing a combat that it was almost the same as if the whole unit had been wiped out at the time combat was resolved. When that happens repeatedly it begins to take some of the fun out of fielding those units.

I cant remember where I read it but it was something like Flamers no longer have "Breath of Chaos" instead they have a "heavy flamer" type weapon.

That would explain why the sternguard survived the charge against 7 flamers.

I can't help but feel happy about some of the nerf's, even when it's my own army they are nerfing. Flamers, I will admit, were overpowered, but I hope they at least keep the breath of chaos for HQ's and such. It was only OP, when it could be spammed so easily by flamers of tzeentch.

Plus, I'm happy I will have thing's to accept challenges in my main unit's, with herald's becoming more like optional sergeant's than true HQ's

40k-noob wrote:
I cant remember where I read it but it was something like Flamers no longer have "Breath of Chaos" instead they have a "heavy flamer" type weapon.

That would explain why the sternguard survived the charge against 7 flamers.

Not really, even one hit per flamer at normal flamer hits should take out one marine, statistically.

I don't know from the wording whether he charged in alongside Lysander at the same time, or if Lysander was already in combat. If Lysander was already in combat, that explains no overwatch.

 azreal13 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:
I cant remember where I read it but it was something like Flamers no longer have "Breath of Chaos" instead they have a "heavy flamer" type weapon.

That would explain why the sternguard survived the charge against 7 flamers.

Not really, even one hit per flamer at normal flamer hits should take out one marine, statistically.

I don't know from the wording whether he charged in alongside Lysander at the same time, or if Lysander was already in combat. If Lysander was already in combat, that explains no overwatch.

i hope so. Flamers needed a nerf, such as a points increase, but I hope they were not made useless.