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Whatever you guys say... Personally I like these models. And that is what matters to me.

where is some skyfire units and flyers like helldrake or something like that? or some heavy units like soulgrinder??

only 2-3 new units for new codex sucks!

against flyers have no chance!

neuminic wrote:
where is some skyfire units and flyers like helldrake or something like that? or some heavy units like soulgrinder??

only 2-3 new units for new codex sucks!

against flyers have no chance!

Calm down.

Soulgrinder has skyfire.

Besides, having mass invilnerable saves makes flyers a bit less dangerous for us anyway.

Can I ask why people don't like the look of the plastic daemons?

Khorne: Ok the Bloodletters look less buff but at least they have a great snarling mad beast look to them and still have the look of a soldier.

Nurgle: Improvement hands down, bearers look unique while at the same time you can see which one is the sgt and which is a grunt because of some nice little extras here and there.

Slaanesh: I really don't get all the hate people seem to have for the Daemonettes, do you really miss painting a bare breast that much?

The only plastic daemons I really hate are the horrors, old ones were a lot better. The main problem with the daemonettes is that they're just so static, if it weren't for that I'd be fine with them, too.

Everything else is just terrible, though. That Khorne "chariot" thing doesn't really impress and the giant flies...seriously, come on, that's almost as bad as the thunderwolf cavalry. They couldn't have given them something a little more mechanical like the FW drone? It's not like it wouldn't fit in a fantasy army, look at the kinda gak Khorne brings to battle FFS.

 Drunkspleen wrote:

 Nagashek wrote:
So if the idea is that this was hurried to get rid of the last remnants of Allesio's touch on WHFB and WH40k, does that mean we have a new Skaven book to look forward to before any other FB armies get updated? Because I can't wait for that. Definitely give me more updated 7e books for 8e. WOOOOOOO!!!

You mean the Skaven book that was written by Jeremy Vetock?

I don't see how replacing it helps remove Allesio from the picture...

Mrr? Really? My Google Fu must be pretty damned weak then. Trying to find which book was written by whom is really rough unless you own them, seemingly. Then, it's still no guarantee as so many of them don't even list the bloody author properly. >.<

Still irritated Daemons got updated already, but tempered by the knowledge that they were the most overpowered of 7e and the most in need of 8e treatment to stop them from continued curbstomping in 8th. Honesly think they should have gotten updated before Vamps, actually, but the WE/Brets/Dwarves situation is so perverse at this point that the release schedule couldn't keep up with how quickly they SHOULD have been released.


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 Melkhiordarkblade wrote:

Slaanesh: I really don't get all the hate people seem to have for the Daemonettes, do you really miss painting a bare breast that much?

Yes. Yes I do.

Along with that, however, is that, even if the old daemonnettes were just covered up, I'd still prefer them. Their faces were eerily beautiful IMO, their frames belying a deadly grace offset by the malformed spikes, demonic feet and tentacle hair. The new ones just don't compare, but that's years of disappointment now. Don't care for any of this newer stuff, but meh. It just means that even now I wouldn't be starting a Daemon army, even if I was still giving GW money. I will continue to wait for WE and Dwarves to get updated and see what happens. Or WHFB 9e

EDIT: Oh. Hunh. Just saw Faet posted that Mat Ward is doing WHFB daemons again.

Well. That answers that then. :flips table:

What, really? People prefer the old metal deamonettes?
I like the plastic set so much I got some despite knowing they would never do me any good on the battlefield.
They have a great eerie ghostly feel, like drowned spirits caught in a slow floating motion coming back from a deep abyss, lethal and otherwordly.
The old ones were all caught in an awkward pose trying to handle those bulky lobsterclaws.

Ofcourse, thats just my oppinion, and the old ones are not to bad I guess, just not what I would prefer.

I think you missed the lithe daemonettes that came out in the mid 2000's. they had knives and delicate blade arms. The models for them riding steeds were 100x better than the current seekers (IMHO).

The ones that were bald and had huge lobster claws came out in the 90's.

 Fayric wrote:
What, really? People prefer the old metal deamonettes?
I like the plastic set so much I got some despite knowing they would never do me any good on the battlefield.
They have a great eerie ghostly feel, like drowned spirits caught in a slow floating motion coming back from a deep abyss, lethal and otherwordly.
The old ones were all caught in an awkward pose trying to handle those bulky lobsterclaws.

Ofcourse, thats just my oppinion, and the old ones are not to bad I guess, just not what I would prefer.

You're remembering the wrong metal daemonettes. The last set before the plastics weren't lobster-clawed.

 Nagashek wrote:

EDIT: Oh. Hunh. Just saw Faet posted that Mat Ward is doing WHFB daemons again.

Well. That answers that then. :flips table:

Don't worry, I'm betting we're in for something closer the 7th ed O&G's in power level...

Just look at poor papa Nurgle - he lost 4 wounds and yet another attack!
At this rate, he'll have a single attack by the 10th edition update!

 Sidstyler wrote:
That Khorne "chariot" thing doesn't really impress and the giant flies...seriously, come on, that's almost as bad as the thunderwolf cavalry.

What's wrong with the thunderwolf cavalry? I like the models, despite the perhaps ugly riders' faces...

 LlamaAgility wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
That Khorne "chariot" thing doesn't really impress and the giant flies...seriously, come on, that's almost as bad as the thunderwolf cavalry.

What's wrong with the thunderwolf cavalry? I like the models, despite the perhaps ugly riders' faces...

Some folks are just never satisfied. Remember opinions are personal.

I am not sure whether anyone else has pointed this out, but a 50 CAD plastic tzeentch chariot includes 2 screamers along with a herald, a disc, 3 horrors and a giant flamer, plus bits, where 3 screamers alone are 40 CAD?

Assuming you can muster the minimal green-stuff skills to make up the chopped ends of screamer tails, when removed from the disc, it seems like the chariot is a better buy.

It looks like the Tzeentch Chariot has 2 different middle parts to the disc. So, if you greenstuff the middle of the disc, you can get 2 small discs for Tzeentch Raptors, and bigger disc for a ChaosLord/Sorcerer.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Just look at poor papa Nurgle - he lost 4 wounds and yet another attack!
At this rate, he'll have a single attack by the 10th edition update!

I think that's bad info you're working off of. Somebody's working off blurry shots, but when zoomed in, its pretty apparent that the GUO has 5 attacks now, not 3. I'm not finding that screenshot again, but if I recall correctly, the thing's toughness also went up to 7. (Edit: WS up by 2 as well, if I'm remembering right. Point being- let's keep the demonic violins from playing sad tunes just yet w/respect to rules and stats.)

Perhaps small comfort to a model who was once safe from being one-shotted by a cannon, but still...

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440199a&prodId=prod860026a

Deamon Princes are T4? This is new to me.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440199a&prodId=prod860026a

Deamon Princes are T4? This is new to me.

Lame. Monstrous creatures should be harder to take down than that. With the loss of EW and T4, why bother fielding them at all?

Just compare those stats to the chaos space marines DP which has +2 WS, +1S, +1T, +3I, +1A and -1Ld compared to the daemons DP

Here's hoping that GW just really screwed up on the website.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Here's hoping that GW just really screwed up on the website.

Stats have been wrong on the website many times before. I remember seeing the Praetorians being 2A on the website, and everyone hoping that was true, and the codex was a mistake, lol.

I like those plastic kits. Not as individual models, God no, the riders on the drones are horrid, but as conversion fodder they really look rather nice. I might just buy the drones and do something like that

The Khornemower/Phallocycle kit must be among GW's most bizarre ideas ever, which is saying quite a lot when they invented the Chaos Dwarf boarcentaur tenderizing wheelbarrow. The fanged egg looks weird, the skulls emerging from flesh remind me of the Surinam toad whose toadlets eat their way out of the skin on their mother's back (which is not something I care to be reminded of), I don't understand why the daemons are hanging on to rings on chains, I don't get the random piston near the saddle, I don't see why there is a throne when the herald can't reach his ring-and-chain while seated, the whole idea is just rubbish, I can't help but think no one of the design team had the courage to tell the boss what they really thought about it, ...but I like the herald and its horn icon but there ain't no way I'm buying the kit just for that.

The plaguebearers were obviously sculpted specifically for this kit. So why do their stomachs defy gravity?

The Slaaneshi herald has the usual bizarre two dimensional hair and looks like she has her petticoat stuck in her knickers. The teeth add nothing.

I wanted to want this release but I'm finding it very easy to resist. I confess I don't really understand why the quality of their designs seems to be declining when as far as I can see, their design team has never been larger.

As far as the heralds go, I think Avatars of War are both better-looking and cheaper:-

Aaaaand still no hint if Bloodcrushers are cavalery units...

man i would love to see this, so that i can stick my Jugger Lord in a Bloodcrusher unit...

The Domina of Torment is a great sculpt,

I wish you could actualy get casts to match

they are all pretty poor (I know I was unable to get hold of a decent one even after a fair bit of trying)

 LlamaAgility wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:
That Khorne "chariot" thing doesn't really impress and the giant flies...seriously, come on, that's almost as bad as the thunderwolf cavalry.

What's wrong with the thunderwolf cavalry? I like the models, despite the perhaps ugly riders' faces...

Wolf guys riding giant wolves.

Plague daemons riding giant flies.

People used to joke about Blood Angels getting vampire bat mounts, but GW is so lacking in creativity that I could have seen them doing it with releases like this. The idea is silly and so are the models.

 His Master's Voice wrote:
I like those plastic kits. Not as individual models, God no, the riders on the drones are horrid, but as conversion fodder they really look rather nice. I might just buy the drones and do something like that

Speaking of creativity...

See, I would have accepted that. Really badass concept. GW needs that kind of talent working on their design team.

I've ordered my codex. The Tzeentch stuff looks excellent!

The flies are still dumb as hell.

Not a Daemon player but thats some cool new stuff
Enjoy your new goodies!

So in the new WD, it goes into a bit more detail of the Skull Cannon's fluff.

Apparently it eats up enemies in their path then fires their flaming skulls back into enemy ranks.

I'm not happy with this new Daemon release, but that fluff made me lol at least....

I dont get the whole daemonic farm machinery idea they are going for, first there was the slaanesh harvester, now the khorne plougher.
Im kinda expecting some form of Tzeentch seeding machine and Nurgle fertiliser to pop up lol.

 Nagashek wrote:

 Drunkspleen wrote:

 Nagashek wrote:
So if the idea is that this was hurried to get rid of the last remnants of Allesio's touch on WHFB and WH40k, does that mean we have a new Skaven book to look forward to before any other FB armies get updated? Because I can't wait for that. Definitely give me more updated 7e books for 8e. WOOOOOOO!!!

You mean the Skaven book that was written by Jeremy Vetock?
I don't see how replacing it helps remove Allesio from the picture...

Mrr? Really? My Google Fu must be pretty damned weak then. Trying to find which book was written by whom is really rough unless you own them, seemingly. Then, it's still no guarantee as so many of them don't even list the bloody author properly. >.<

Alessio wrote the Skaven army book before the Vetock one, so that's where your idea might come from.