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2012/09/20 00:36:09
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Lord of the Fleet
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I'd like a mode where we point buy an army and then slug it out, Total War style.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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2012/09/20 00:41:48
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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I doubt Games Workshop will allow them to do that....
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/09/20 00:54:58
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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No reason they wouldn't as long as the point values don't match what's in the book. After all, they allowed it to be done with WHFB.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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2012/09/20 07:21:59
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Oberleutnant
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I dont think he means a tabletop simulator but a realistic (  ) approach.
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2012/09/21 08:12:54
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Definitely no more Boreale...ol'Gabe and Davian COOL need more screen time.  Galdos wrote: Tadashi wrote:Final, unequivocal, irrefutable confirmation that the Blood Ravens are Thousand Sons. VICTORY!
That would be nice, though i doubt they would do that. They like the whole mystery angle to much. Enough to have us guessing but not be able to give a 100% proof
It would give ADB a stroke at the least - and perhaps satisfy Graham McNeill, who we have to thanks for the masterpiece that is A Thousand Sons.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/09/21 08:15:41
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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ol' Gabe?
Oh yes, bring Gabe Newell in it 
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2012/09/21 08:17:12
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Gabriel Angelos, former Captain of the Third Company, currently Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/09/21 08:24:49
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Wight Lord with the Sword of Kings
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Tadashi wrote:
Gabriel Angelos, former Captain of the Third Company, currently Chapter Master of the Blood Ravens.
Gabe Newell is cooler, he is my BIG hero
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2012/09/21 08:32:09
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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No comment.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/09/21 16:57:02
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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Deepstrike delays - worth the weight.
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Pretre: OOOOHHHHH snap. That's like driving away from hitting a pedestrian.
Pacific:First person to Photoshop a GW store into the streets of Kabul wins the thread.
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2012/10/12 14:02:43
Subject: Re:What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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For me going from DoW: Soulstorm to DoW II was a huge step backwards. Removal of base building okay sure.. but even after 2 expansions they're still down 4 army choices. Tau, Necron, Dark Eldar, Sister's of Battle. The single player missions while enjoyable didn't feel like RTS to me at all, felt more like I was playing Diablo 2.. just running around mass killing everything for a few areas until you finally reach a boss. With the negatives that need worked on aside, the positive sides are two simple things.. keep The Last Stand and expand on it, and the second was already achieved.. getting off of GFWL.
I personally miss my Sister's of Battle, I often play TLS as the Lord Commander in all white with guardsman and a flamethrower just for the memories of Soulstorm.
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2012/10/12 15:18:55
Subject: Re:What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Tahroo wrote:The single player missions while enjoyable didn't feel like RTS to me at all, felt more like I was playing Diablo 2.. just running around mass killing everything for a few areas until you finally reach a boss.
So basically like Dawn of War 1.
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2012/10/12 16:35:58
Subject: Re:What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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 Melissia wrote:Tahroo wrote:The single player missions while enjoyable didn't feel like RTS to me at all, felt more like I was playing Diablo 2.. just running around mass killing everything for a few areas until you finally reach a boss.
So basically like Dawn of War 1.
No. The missions in DOW2 you run around killing small groups of orks, before you get to a boss. An actual boss.
In DOW1 you took out the enemy's army, then their base. Classic RTS formula.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/10/12 17:08:46
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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You must mean the endless, samey skirmish missions in the latter two DoW1 games.
No, these were NOT a good thing for those games. They were more monotonous than anything in DoW2.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/10/12 19:00:17
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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I liked DOW/WA/DC a whole hell of a lot. Soulstorm seemed sorta lame in spots, but kept going with the giant battles of awesomeness.
I liked DOW2 and it's expansions because it made it more, I dunno, personal? You get to know inidividual space marines from a troubled chapter that want to save their home,and that's a cool angle I thought.
The RPG/leveling elements are cool, but the purist in me doesn't think that a Captain of a Space Marine chapter would have to learn how to use specific weapons. I understand the different requirements to get terminator armor, as it is something that marines need to achieve a certain status to receive. Of course, if I were making DoW games, someone would have gripes about how I made it.
DoW3 is going to rock socks I think. Given that they're bringing back base building and army construction like the previous games. Not to mention the rumored ability to customize the army to how you want it to be. Would be cool to have specific Chaos Legions, SM Chapters, IG regiments, etc.
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2012/10/12 23:07:17
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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I am one of those that liked the DoW 1 combat style more than DoW 2.
I'd prefer a mix of the 2, cover mechanics from DoW 2 but with the base building, 'choose your units' style DoW 1 delivered.
I also felt that DoW 1's characters were better expressed, though that could be beacause you played as a nameless Captain with little to no background.
But Last Stand (IMHO, the best part of DoW 2) has to stay, I like the idea of 3 characters vs wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave after wave....
Oh, and destructable terrain from DoW 2, and maybe have a few small skirmish and a few REALLY large battles in the campaign.
And definately bring back DoW 1's way of getting power, but with DoW 2's way of getting requisition.
And bring back the special elite units (the ones you could only get once you owned a relic point...)
Oh, and of course, more upgrades/weapons/races!!
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2012/10/12 23:18:16
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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The "special elite units" are in DoW2 Retribution.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/10/12 23:25:10
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Liche Priest Hierophant
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Haven't played that one yet ;(
Still, glad to know they brought them back
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2012/10/13 13:58:16
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Melissia wrote:You must mean the endless, samey skirmish missions in the latter two DoW1 games.
No, these were NOT a good thing for those games. They were more monotonous than anything in DoW2.
If you don't like skirmishes, go play an action game like Gears of War or whatever the kids are playing these days.
If you get bored playing as the commander of an overwealming surge of Imperial might crushing the xenos/heretic scum, then sucks to be you. But that's no need to remove RTS elements in favour of action elements.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/10/13 14:41:26
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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Nothing more than an insulting excuse for lack of content. Shame on you, Testify.
"If you don't like the RTS genre the same way I do, stop playing RTS games!" What nonsense.
DoW2 and expansions had far more story and coherence than the latter two DoW1 games did.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/10/13 14:53:50
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
Thousand Sons Battleship wandering the galaxy...
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Melissia wrote: DoW2 and expansions had far more story and coherence than the latter two DoW1 games did.
I disagree with the latter part...Dark Crusade was without a doubt the best expansion for Dawn of War. EDIT: As for Soulstorm...well, Soulstorm is Soulstorm, 'nuff said.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/13 14:56:45
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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I disagree. Soulstorm was better ,and even then, Retribution reigns king over the various DoW games 
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/10/13 15:00:01
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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You've got to be joking...Soulstorm? Seriously?
Retribution reigns king over the various DoW games
I prefer Chaos Rising from the Dawn of War II trilogy, but I would still pick Dark Crusade out of all the Dawn of War titles.
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I should have left him there. He had served his purpose. He owed me nothing - yet he gave himself to me willingly. Why? I know not. He is nothing more than a pathetic human. An inferior race. A mon-keigh. But still I broke off my wings so that I might carry him easier. I took him from that place, into the snowstorm where our tracks will not be found. He is heavy. And he is dying. And he is slowing me down. But I will save him. Why? I know not. He is still warm. I can feel his blood ebbing across me. For every beat of his heart, another, slight spill of heat. The heat blows away on the winter wind. His blood is still warm. But fading. And I have spilled scarlet myself. The snow laps greedily at our footsteps and our lifeblood, covering them without a trace as we fade away.
'She sat on the corner, gulping the soup down, uncaring of the heat of it. They had grown more watery as of late she noted, but she wasn't about to beggar food from the Imperials or the "Bearers of the Word." Tau, despite their faults at least didn't have a kill policy for her race.' |
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2012/10/13 15:00:12
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Melissia wrote:Nothing more than an insulting excuse for lack of content. Shame on you, Testify.
"If you don't like the RTS genre the same way I do, stop playing RTS games!" What nonsense.
DoW2 and expansions had far more story and coherence than the latter two DoW1 games did.
It's a spectrum. DOW2 is closer to an action game than it is to an RTS, in terms of scale, gameplay and story. DOW1, despite the huge innovations (at the time), is very much an FPS, for better or worse.
Though DOW1 is closer to action than, say, the Total War battlefields. I don't mind a few RPG elements, just not Generic Console Game From The Top Down. Automatically Appended Next Post:  Tadashi wrote:
You've got to be joking...Soulstorm? Seriously?
Retribution reigns king over the various DoW games
I prefer Chaos Rising from the Dawn of War II trilogy, but I would still pick Dark Crusade out of all the Dawn of War titles.
Agreed, on both. Dark Crusade is great.
The fact that there was still so much room for improvement on Dark Crusade was part of what made DOW2 so disapointing. Customisable wargear (NOT stuff that you have to pick up on the battlefield...facepalm), advanced logistics/basebuilding, rankable special abilities, etc etc.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/10/13 15:25:06
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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You're really not going to convince me that that tired old game is better than DoW2, which was such a huge improvement in almost every way. Trying to pathetically and inanely give it labels like "it's not an RTS game, it's an action game!" just makes you look desperate-- who are you trying to convince, yourself?
Frankly, Tadashi, DoW2 is more RTS than DoW1 ever could be. It's not really any fault to DoW1. DoW1 was great for its time. But better things have been made since DoW1. DoW2 is one of them.
Hell DoW1's base building wasn't even really good; it was mediocre at best-- starcrapped light, as it were. If you REALLY want a good base building game you'd play Stronghold, Total Annihilation, or Supreme Commander.
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2012/10/13 15:56:16
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Doesn't Supreme Commander simply involve buying units and having them airlifted in? Not played it for a while so I could be wrong, I don't remember much base building. Was a rubbish game anyway, after about 1 and a half hours in. Just "OMG TANKS MOAR TANKS TANKS SO MANY TANKS". Yawn.
I didn't say it was an action game, I said it was further along the spectrum towards action than DOW1 was. Personally I don't like action games, but some people do. That's fine for them.
I grew up playing the original C&C and Red Alert, not Duke Nuke'em.
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This message was edited 2 times. Last update was at 2012/10/13 15:57:20
Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/10/13 17:12:46
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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 Testify wrote:Doesn't Supreme Commander simply involve buying units and having them airlifted in? Not played it for a while so I could be wrong, I don't remember much base building. Was a rubbish game anyway, after about 1 and a half hours in. Just "OMG TANKS MOAR TANKS TANKS SO MANY TANKS". Yawn.
You clearly did not play Supreme Commander. Hell, I had bases in Supreme Commander that were bigger and more complex than entire maps from Dawn of War 1. They stretched for kilometers. My bases, themselves, had sub-bases that were bigger than DoW1 bases. My turrets had bases that were bigger than DoW1's bases. You didn't call in units from off map. You could, however, MAKE units and then transport them via airlift (the transport actually clamped on to them magnetically/gravitically and carried them physically to the destination), often having them fire from the transport as they arrive, effectively calling them in from on map  But you had to do the work yourself. A quick google search: These are relatively small bases. Contradicting yourself makes for such a great argument. Testify wrote:I grew up playing the original C&C and Red Alert, not Duke Nuke'em.
I grew up playing all three, and plenty of other games besides. You probably never even played the original Duke Nukem anyway-- the 2d side scroller where he wore a pink shirt and talked about Oprah 
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2012/10/13 17:33:26
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I have played the original Duke Nuke'em, stop making yourself out to be some grizzled gamer veteran while I'm a noob with a wii remote stuck up his arse.
Also, yeah. I was thinking of another game. Can't remember the name but it had "huge" battles between USA and soviets, was pretty crappy.
I may actually invest in Supreme Commander, always liked the look of it but didn't have the spec to play it at the time.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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2012/10/13 17:34:09
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I think you were thinking of World In Conflict.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
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2012/10/13 18:09:16
Subject: What do you want to see in dawn of war 3?
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Yep. That game was rubbish.
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Unnessesarily extravegant word of the week award goes to jcress410 for this:
jcress wrote:Seem super off topic to complain about epistemology on a thread about tactics.
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