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We'll see. In my four years of playing I probably have bought only 4 WD issues and usually it is due to the issue being about the release of an army I collect or the new paint set (with the little conversion guide in the back) or more recently, the 6th edition one which had previews of some rules. Issues like these I think have some value when they provide real content, but most seem to be advertisements for their models (with no prices of course).

If they just focused on what made issues good. Sneak previews, paint guides and maybe additional scenarios to be added then it would be worth the $9. They don't need a new editor. Just legitmate, helpful articles without the filler.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Atma01 wrote:
Even a freaking room, with rules and new gear, for Warhammer Quest. I hear HBMC salivating over that from here.

Hold up. What room? Skaven-based or Chaos Dwarf-based? Actually - search your issue 190-220 issues (if you have any) for any Quest articles. I've got part 1 or something but not part 2, and it's always driven me mad.

I have done so. And I will type out the results once I hear a 'please'. The Emperor abhors poor manners. With the exception of those who were raised in barns. Which I know you were not.

Are you HBMC's mum?

If so well done for reinforcing good manners.

No. But I've known him since I came over to the Deathworld known as Australia back in the mid 90's. So I can call her up though.

Only two people get to talk to me like that. My mother, Emperor rest her soul, and my Supervisor.

And hes not my Supervisor.

You hear me Matt? YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!

Oh god they have the tazers again. Gotta go.

I'm waiting for GW to incorporate an apple into their logo and sell Ipads at their stores

Price has to come down £4.50 is still over prices for what can only be described as an advert for their products. Goes back to reading my WD back issues when it was indie...

Please!

 DIDM wrote:
I'm waiting for GW to incorporate an apple into their logo and sell Ipads at their stores

No, no, no. You’re looking at it all wrong.

What they’ll do now is, thanks to their association with Apple, they’ll realise that pod casts are the latest*** thing, so they’ll start up their own series. They could call it... Citadel PodCast – just like a regular pod cast only you have to pay for it and the audio cuts out randomly every now and again (fixed with an iOS Citadel PodCast Audio Cleanup Kit).



H.B.M.C. – Taking tired old FineCast jokes and recycling them into new tired old FineCast jokes!



***Their definition of ‘latest’ might not be 100% accurate.

You aren't allowed to recycle Finecast.

Without buying a new Citadel Finecast Recylcing Kit!

Thank you. And I will be writing out what is in the WDs now and PM you.

Despite my lack of love for Apple, and owning and iPad (it was a gift!), if GW did release a limited edition run of an =I=Pad that looks like a dataslate I would be camped out in front of a GW store waiting for it. Because that would simply be too cool to not buy.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled discussion.

Actually yeah, if GW did release an =][= Pad, with a glowing Inquisitorial symbol in the centre... I'd be right there with you.

Its never been an independent publication, it just covered the whole hobby previously.

 adamsouza wrote:

I could see ads from Mantic, Reaper, and WOTC all over it.

GW: Looking for possible advertising customers ... and then sue them

Be aware that GW thinks that every non-GW-product remotely connected to their products is illegal.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Actually yeah, if GW did release an =][= Pad, with a glowing Inquisitorial symbol in the centre... I'd be right there with you.

Against my better judgement, you can count me in too. Sad buggers, aren't we?

 Kroothawk wrote:
GW: Looking for possible advertising customers ... and then sue them

Be aware that GW thinks that every non-GW-product remotely connected to their products is illegal.

All I can think about it them acting like Earl Lemongrab from Adventure Time, every time they see something they think is infringing on their IP.



Or youtube if you want the sound. It really help hammer the point home.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgzD3qMZIWs

 English Assassin wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Actually yeah, if GW did release an =][= Pad, with a glowing Inquisitorial symbol in the centre... I'd be right there with you.

Against my better judgement, you can count me in too. Sad buggers, aren't we?

No. We are simply consumers who know what we want. And are willing to admit don't have the willpower to resist it. That being said, if there is even a hint of Finecast in there the deal is off.

I'll just steal it instead.

 Atma01 wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Atma01 wrote:
Even a freaking room, with rules and new gear, for Warhammer Quest. I hear HBMC salivating over that from here.

Hold up. What room? Skaven-based or Chaos Dwarf-based? Actually - search your issue 190-220 issues (if you have any) for any Quest articles. I've got part 1 or something but not part 2, and it's always driven me mad.

I have done so. And I will type out the results once I hear a 'please'. The Emperor abhors poor manners. With the exception of those who were raised in barns. Which I know you were not.

This post cannot be exhalted enough.

White Dwarf is like a joke without the punchline...it's just not funny. Full stop. Nothing worse than buying an issue, reading 3 pages and it just lies there gathering dust! General rule of thumb is only to buy one with a battle report but even they have gone stale. A good overhaul is needed

To those saying WD doesn't advertise anything else...the daemon issue from last month actually had an advertisement for the last FFG warhammer invasion card pack. Yes, I realize it's a game made by someone else based on GW IP, with GW's permission, but it's a start, right?

This month's WD had an advertisement for The Lathe Worlds (which I wrote part of). And the issue before that had an advertisement for Tome of Fate (which I also wrote part of).

It's kinda funny seeing WD advertise that stuff.

You a secret White Dwarf contributor 'H? Is it partly your fault?

 timetowaste85 wrote:
To those saying WD doesn't advertise anything else...the daemon issue from last month actually had an advertisement for the last FFG warhammer invasion card pack. Yes, I realize it's a game made by someone else based on GW IP, with GW's permission, but it's a start, right?

Back in 2004 they advertised for Dawn of War. If it's made by other companies with their IP, they still push it in the mag. They pretty much just relegate it to little blurbs and images though, instead of a good article or something.

Yeah they defo need to have a look at WD.. If they just wrote it like normal magazines, it would be bang on. You know, like.. actually put some effort in?

They could write all sorts of articles, be it hobby related, bat reps, even just stories about different blokes who have been into the hobby for a while.. or getting a gaming club to write up their own games, different peoples paint schemes and conversions and such.. anything even remotely interesting.

Kinda like FHM except not completely dog-gak. I reckon even I could write something worth a few pages.. the current cookie cutter "every month identical but a bit different" build is shocking.

My missus got me a 12 month sub and I think all 12 issues were done and dusted inside an hour. It really sucks, because lets be honest, If it was even half decent I'm sure plenty of us would happily buy it.

 Sephyr wrote:

 George Spiggott wrote:
They brought in a professional editor before, then overruled him when his professional opinion disagreed with GW ideology.

I work in publishing and this is sadly a very prevalent mindset.

"Hire the best talent in the market so I can ignore the crap out of him/her!"

This.I want them to move away from being seen as just a catalogue,but i am still very doubtful they will.

Does no one remember all the stuff they did for Firewarrior? Not only did they do a whole article for it, they made a La'Kais conversion, and scenario with special rules. I think they even did a little battle report for the scenario. One of the few times they got cross-promotion right. And it was wasted on that game.

For me the biggest surprise is that they aren't cashing in on the 40K RPGs by really pushing them in WD (like whole articles) with the caveat of "Hey you know what you NEED to play these games? MODELS! And we sell those!". We know that one doesn't actually need models to play, but their current target consumer base doesn't. So whilst GW are getting their short term money injections, we sowing the seeds of future DH/RT/DW/BC/OW players.

Then those players will eventually grow up, get burned by GW, join Dakka, and the cycle of table-top gaming will be complete.

Must've missed that Fire Warrior issue; that sounds pretty cool! I wish they'd do something similar for the Dawn of War games or Space Marine. I would have loved to see some 'Eavy Metal painted Blood Ravens based on the characters from DoW2 for instance.

 Atma01 wrote:
Does no one remember all the stuff they did for Firewarrior? Not only did they do a whole article for it, they made a La'Kais conversion, and scenario with special rules. I think they even did a little battle report for the scenario. One of the few times they got cross-promotion right. And it was wasted on that game.

For me the biggest surprise is that they aren't cashing in on the 40K RPGs by really pushing them in WD (like whole articles) with the caveat of "Hey you know what you NEED to play these games? MODELS! And we sell those!". We know that one doesn't actually need models to play, but their current target consumer base doesn't. So whilst GW are getting their short term money injections, we sowing the seeds of future DH/RT/DW/BC/OW players.

Then those players will eventually grow up, get burned by GW, join Dakka, and the cycle of table-top gaming will be complete.

GW get a set licence fee for that off of FFG. While they have an interest in the line being successful if it sells +/- 5000 copies it doesnt make much difference.

GW have pretty much always had 3rd party licenced products in WD, from the current crop of RPGs and video games right back to the play by phone games and a racing dingy they sponsored.

Probably not feasible, but maybe if WD would throw in an exclusive mini or bits with magazine, or even card playing aids like they use to do, that would help.

Way back 10 plus years they gave away a free necron.

About issue 115 ish when they produced there first plastic dwarf they gave one away.

I hope WD goes back to the magazine I knew and loved, but to be honest, the only way it will improve is if it goes digital, that idea I hate, I have an iPad, and it's not my favourite toy lol.

 Brother SRM wrote:
Must've missed that Fire Warrior issue; that sounds pretty cool! I wish they'd do something similar for the Dawn of War games or Space Marine. I would have loved to see some 'Eavy Metal painted Blood Ravens based on the characters from DoW2 for instance.

They did it for the original release of the first DoW. They converted a Gabriel Angelos with two-handed Thunder Hammer, made up terrain to look like the Marine buildings, and did a DoW based bat rep.

I'm waiting for the return of the bolt thrower flexidisk...

Koppo wrote:
I'm waiting for the return of the bolt thrower flexidisk...

Well, Sabbat (who did the flexi-disc, by the way, not Bolt Thrower) have reformed, and I'll bet they'll be up for it if GW are...

I thought GW Corp wiped out the heavy metal-listening brigade. All of them. Even when I was young(er) and impressionable I thought that flexidisc was odd.

PS Didn't they ought to rebrand their inhouse painters as the Resin Lite team?