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Ok, So this conversation came up earlier. If enough orks think something is true it happens. But what if you have an entire waagh!!! of orks in clown suits that think they are the funniest thing that ever existed? What would happen? Would their enemies start laughing so hard they cant fight

"If enough orks think something is true it happens."

That's not true.

But dont their vehicle not work outside of the hands of orks?

 Gargantuan wrote:
"If enough orks think something is true it happens."

That's not true.

Yeah it is. They just know (to the benefit of the universe).

However Orks are not humans. The closest thing an ork has seen to a clown is a grot jester or a harliquin.

If a WAAAGH! of orks did find a mechanicus world manufacturing colorful wigs and rubber noses they wouldn't see humor in them.

The funniest thing a clown could do to humor an ork is throw a pie in someones face.

Then orks would copy the idea but the pie would be full of stikk bombs and face-biter squigs.

Edited for spelling (I woke up way too early today).

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
But dont their vehicle not work outside of the hands of orks?

Nope, Ork stuff is mechanically functional.

Wow... somehow copy pasta instead of edit round 2....

Ork vehicles are not structurely sound. Their guns cannon be fired by human hands.

Look at the legs of a killa kan or deffdread. They are impossible. My roommate is a mechanical engineer. We had this very conversation lastnight.

They can turn a plane 90% mid flight (though technically any flyer in the game can too).

This is an old issue that is confirmed in dozens of sources including the codexs.

 DeffDred wrote:
Wow... somehow copy pasta instead of edit round 2....

Ork vehicles are not structurely sound. Their guns cannon be fired by human hands.

Look at the legs of a killa kan or deffdread. They are impossible. My roommate is a mechanical engineer. We had this very conversation lastnight.

Imperial vehicles wouldn't work in real life either. Just look at the Leman Russ ground clearance or Dreadnought legs.

In the 40k universe they work though.

Ork weapons functions in human hands, that's a fact. Yarrick uses an ork power claw and Armageddon Ork Hunters also use ork weapons.

Yarrick's Power Klaw has been modified by human technology to be fair.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
Yarrick's Power Klaw has been modified by human technology to be fair.

That's true, but I'm getting tired of people that believe "magic" is the only think keeping ork stuff together. A human can click on the start button on a kustom force field and it will most likely work just fine. Orks aren't stupid, they're just mostly simple minded.

 Gargantuan wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
Wow... somehow copy pasta instead of edit round 2....

Ork vehicles are not structurely sound. Their guns cannon be fired by human hands.

Look at the legs of a killa kan or deffdread. They are impossible. My roommate is a mechanical engineer. We had this very conversation lastnight.

Imperial vehicles wouldn't work in real life either. Just look at the Leman Russ ground clearance or Dreadnought legs.

In the 40k universe they work though.

Ork weapons functions in human hands, that's a fact. Yarrick uses an ork power claw and Armageddon Ork Hunters also use ork weapons.

Both Yarrick and the Ork Hunters are examples of guardsem "going native" with orks.

Yarrick is considered by orks to be half ork (he even speaks ork!) while the Ork Hunters become wannabe orks (digganobz anyone?).

 Gargantuan wrote:
That's true, but I'm getting tired of people that believe "magic" is the only think keeping ork stuff together. A human can click on the start button on a kustom force field and it will most likely work just fine. Orks aren't stupid, they're just mostly simple minded.

It isn't so much that "magic" is the only thing that keeps it from working, it just helps it work better, Ork tech is more reliable in Orky hands.

Don't even both continuing this.

Gargantuan is just trying to bring up an old argument from 4 months ago.

I was always under the impression that orks were indeed the most psycically intuned race out there they are just too ORKY to realize it. They THINK the red ones go faster and becasue of this "THOUGHT" their actual stuff does indeed GO FASTA! Their looted stuff only continues to work because they curse, hit, yell and want it to work hard enough so it actually DOES! Their fighta bombas stay airborn on the sheer power of the WAAAAG! Alone! Sure their weapons and equipment WILL work for humans (just pick it up and push the button) however, an Ork with a rokkit Launcha (the orky kind that is just a warhead on a stick) will often times hit its inteded target if fired by an Ork than by a Human just on the WANT of that Ork to casue damage and carnage!

I've always liked the idea of Rainborks, or Rainbow-Orks. Not Orks that are homosexual, but use camouflage. Really use Camouflage.

I can imagine, in an Orks head, 'umie camouflage is flawed because it can only ever work in one environment (e.g. Desert, or Forest, or Urban etc.), so being tactical geniuses these Orks have every colour on their armour so they (in theory) camouflage with any environment.

An army of such coloured Orks would also be awesome to behold.

There is a masive difference between 'ork psychic powers help ork technology work in the way that orks believe it should' and 'anything orks believe automatically comes true'. The former is consistent with what the existing background says, the latter is just silly.

It's worth noting that a lot of other races use technology which only works with the aid of their racial psychic powers, but I don't see anyone saying that Eldar (for example) only have to believe in something for it to come true.

But Eldar have the mental capasity to understand WHY something works and how to reliably duplicate the effect. Oks on the other hand do not realize what just happend and chalk it up to "well oh course it works". Im not sayin that an Ork can stare at a can of beans and open it with his mind. What I am saying is that if that Ork REALY REALLY REALLY wanted that can of beans to open he would be able to get it to open!

Insane Ork Posse. Grabbing my paint.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Insane Ork Posse. Grabbing my paint.

I loled.

Good show.

Hate to say it gargantuan, but no "magic"?
Im sorry, but i would indeed think a dreadnought growing a pair of wings or someone firing a giant wolf maw from a hand to be pretty close to the mark.

Ork tech has been stated several times as impossible to work in the hands of anyone but the orks.
Not magic as such, but it is waaaagh energy which does give them this ability.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, So this conversation came up earlier. If enough orks think something is true it happens. But what if you have an entire waagh!!! of orks in clown suits that think they are the funniest thing that ever existed? What would happen? Would their enemies start laughing so hard they cant fight

Well, I have such an army. I'll have to start playing them more often and see if I get unusually good rolls. Although not all of them have white-face with red noses yet so it might not work.

It could work, although I'd like to see the orklowns be particularly vicious examples of their kind.

 DeffDred wrote:

Look at the legs of a killa kan or deffdread. They are impossible. My roommate is a mechanical engineer. We had this very conversation lastnight.

Not this old argument again. Nothing in 40k in the models in functional. A Leman Russ does not have enough room in the turret for the crew, the ammo, the gun, and the recoil.

No doubt now I'm going to hear from someone who saw an actually scale drawing in a book that showed everything fitting, unlike the model on the table, and nerds are going to start waving around their virginity like puppets on sticks arguing the details of why everyone else is wrong.

If they start then then point them at a rhino and ask them to fit 10 marines inside it plus 2 drivers

 Jackal wrote:
Hate to say it gargantuan, but no "magic"?
Im sorry, but i would indeed think a dreadnought growing a pair of wings or someone firing a giant wolf maw from a hand to be pretty close to the mark.

Ork tech has been stated several times as impossible to work in the hands of anyone but the orks.
Not magic as such, but it is waaaagh energy which does give them this ability.

Where has it been stated that ork tech is impossible to work in the hands of anyone but the orks?

Humans in Gorkamorka use Ork tech
Armageddon Ork Hunters use ork tech
Humans in the role playing games can use ork tech
Ragnar Blackmane drives an ork trukk in one of the Black Library novels.

 Gargantuan wrote:
"If enough orks think something is true it happens."

That's not true.

you sir, are completely dead wrong.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Waaagh!#.UD_PUSKwW68

The power of the Waaagh! is what makes everything Ork, work. period.

IF enough Ork's believed something to be true, it will be true. The problem is they are too "simple minded" as you put it, to all think the same thing at once.

IF enough Ork's understood human humor (ie the concept of a clown) and all of them believed it would make people laugh and stop fighting, it would.

If every ork believed that the Necrons did not exist, they would cease to exist.

thats how this works. its WHY the Ork's are a dumb race. Look at how much damage a very "simple" race has inflicted on the known galaxy. thats not because they are strong, there is a bigger piece at play here.

IIRC, its also why the Eldar tried to wipe them out, fearing that if they ever did discover their true power, they would kill everything and every one.


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 Gargantuan wrote:

 Jackal wrote:
Hate to say it gargantuan, but no "magic"?
Im sorry, but i would indeed think a dreadnought growing a pair of wings or someone firing a giant wolf maw from a hand to be pretty close to the mark.

Ork tech has been stated several times as impossible to work in the hands of anyone but the orks.
Not magic as such, but it is waaaagh energy which does give them this ability.

Where has it been stated that ork tech is impossible to work in the hands of anyone but the orks?

Humans in Gorkamorka use Ork tech
Armageddon Ork Hunters use ork tech
Humans in the role playing games can use ork tech
Ragnar Blackmane drives an ork trukk in one of the Black Library novels.

see above post in the lexicanum

In the 40k RPGs, humans can actually use Ork technology, it is just treated as unreliable or dangerous, something an Ork would not experience.

You're seriously exagerrating the capabilities of the Waaagh! field.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
In the 40k RPGs, humans can actually use Ork technology, it is just treated as unreliable or dangerous, something an Ork would not experience.

You're seriously exagerrating the capabilities of the Waaagh! field.

The thing is, it depends on the item in question.

Some basic slugga's and shoota's are potentially usable, however quite a number that have been discovered and studied by the Adeptas Mechanicus have discovered they they literally should not be able to shoot at all, one of the discovered shoota's was really just a bunch of scrap, springs, and bullets inside a metal casing that didn't connect to anything at all, but yet an ork was shooting it not bought days ago without it being tempered with, they gave it to an ork in captivity, and it worked too.

Not to mention you'd never see Major Ork Technology like the Shokk/ZZap/Tellyporta's and the like being used or in any way shape or form being able to be studied and used properly by people.

However what it cannot do is alter reality in a 100% way. It can make things far more EFFECTIVE however. Red paint makes things go far faster than normal, purple makes "Luckier" orks, red for sneaky orks and all that.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
In the 40k RPGs,
Some basic slugga's and shoota's are potentially usable, however quite a number that have been discovered and studied by the Adeptas Mechanicus have discovered they they literally should not be able to shoot at all, one of the discovered shoota's was really just a bunch of scrap, springs, and bullets inside a metal casing that didn't connect to anything at all, but yet an ork was shooting it not bought days ago without it being tempered with, they gave it to an ork in captivity, and it worked too.

Where did you read that?

 Gargantuan wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:
In the 40k RPGs,
Some basic slugga's and shoota's are potentially usable, however quite a number that have been discovered and studied by the Adeptas Mechanicus have discovered they they literally should not be able to shoot at all, one of the discovered shoota's was really just a bunch of scrap, springs, and bullets inside a metal casing that didn't connect to anything at all, but yet an ork was shooting it not bought days ago without it being tempered with, they gave it to an ork in captivity, and it worked too.

Where did you read that?

Ugh, thought it was the Gorkamorka book, but having rechecked it it's not the thing I was remembering, and looking for a source only brings me up this line.

The Ork Waaaaagh gestalt also works on their equipment. Aside from allowing Orks to form some form of hierarchy, this gestalt psychic field, allows slapped-together weapons, vehicles, spacecraft, and aircraft to function when, according to all laws of physics, they should explode, fall apart or simply not work- for example, when a human or eldar attempts to fire an Ork gun, it usually explodes.

I might be wrong, but I cannot for the life of me remember where I saw that sort of text related to it. There was something related to if the ork believes it can shoot bullets, it will shoot bullets.

Waaagh! fields are indeed greatly exaggerated by dakka, especially as the Orks have become somewhat darker and more grounded since their original pure comedy space orcs days.

A Waaagh! field can explain why outrageous and unsafe Ork tech can be barely functional, but if an Ork has a normal fish and points it at an enemy, it wont shoot a laser beam no matter how much he wants it to. Many are under the impression that it will indeed shoot a laser. Ork innate psychic powers can compensate for their more reckless nature and design, but it won't making something from nothing.