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I think that DV is pretty decent value wise. Probably more so if you collect DA or Chaos. Or if you were considering collecting either force.

I do feel Chaos kinda got screwed balance wise though.

As always the mini rulebook is nice and extra dice never go astray.

I'll be buying it. I'll probably nurgle up the Dark Angels, or sell them to a friend. Either way, it's a good way to get more models for my CSM army considering how small it is.

Ummm...

Termies = $50
Cultists (if priced like guards) = $29 for 10 (so x 2)
3 bikes = $30
3 special DA characters in plastic = $30
Hellbrute - $45 (dreadnought)
Chosen - $40 I guess
10 tac marines = $33


$365 of mini's in box + rulebook (35 dollar value imo, less then half the big book) + dice (no value) + templates ($10)

That's $400 for $107. CRAZY insane value in that box. That's what the poll is about, not whether you plan to play them or they have any particular use to you.

YES, amazing value....

@almostreal: Extremely well said! In thinking about the value I gained in other ways by purchasing the box, I totally forgot that you basically buy all of these units at a ridiculous discount (compared to buying them separate at least).

Considering it is meant to be a Starter Kit, it's not likely to hold huge amounts of value for long time players.

It has everything a starter kit needs and is great value for it.

Personally, I will be getting it for
A: Mini Rulebook (screw the templates, I already have too many and bought the fancy lightning bolt ones because they're cool ) and I already have 8000 dice.

B: To bring my Chaos Army from Fabius and the contents of the AOBRs marines, to something reasonable ( the Dark Angels won't stay Dark Angels for long.)

I don't play 40k and have no interest in starting, but the models in that box are a very good value. The only things reducing it is the sheer number of armies that don't get a starter and the limitations of wargear offered in the box.
If there are two things GW does right it's plastic models and starter sets.

Once you realise that you can keep the Chaplain on the sprue and flog it for a fair amount once all the Limited Ed's disappear, the cost suddenly becomes reasonable...

Absolutely perfect value for money. It has very good mini range. A mini rule book which worthy it.
And for the first time the minis cast is beautiful!

 legoburner wrote:
Do you think Dark Vengeance is a good value purchase in your home country?

Yes.

(Although I'm slightly biased as both a DA and Chaos Player.)

Great value for money, I have since built a 2750pt DA army from it and the Chaos will be going towards my Chaos army. I'm happy though they really do need to put in more dice. No where near enough considering you can't even fire all the Tactical Marine bolters with the dice available without re-rolling.

Get a bunch of models for a fraction of the price then paying for them individually should be a selling point for both new and veteran players. Not to mention this is a significant improvement over AoBR because now the models have much different poses, even if some of them are copied twice.

Only problem I could put it is that the SM are molded with DA symbols, which is a good or bad thing depending on your feelings

I think that whilst the box is good value they should have put two different armies in there. You can easily proxy Space Marines for Chaos Space Marines and vice versa with few complaints - I did for 2 years! Also what would have been cool is, like Assault on Black Reach, , to have multi-purpose Marines that you can paint any chapter straight from the box. With DV you can't.

its about right, although the dark angels have the point bias; which isnt a surprise. it would have been cool to see even point values for both sides considering the factions that are in it.

 Gutstuf Ugfang wrote:
its about right, although the dark angels have the point bias; which isnt a surprise. it would have been cool to see even point values for both sides considering the factions that are in it.

It would have been cool to get a starter set where the good guyz aren't biased to win :/ Seriously, Chaos got some gakky units to face those DA.

For what you get, I think the price is about right. If you give the book, dice and templates a value of about $25, then your paying $75 for quite a lot of models.

On the other hand, I think everything else GW sells is overpriced by about 25% or so.

The crazy thing is, I think all the balance needed would have been to make the Libby be a chaos sorcerer. - It wouldn't even have cost GW any more money to do it!

A few thoughts:

As a psuedo new player (I tried to get in years ago but wasn't in the cards, so entering now for the first time) I would point out, you don't just pick up 40k on your own. Someone is trying to convince you to come play with them. That said, you do have a good idea of how much of a value you're getting. You know how much the rulebook is. You know that between the rulebook, the templates, the dice, and the termies alone you've very nearly payed for the whole box.

As a gamer I would point out to you all that the average college student who plays in any game at all throws down this kind of money. A box of Magic the Gathering Booster Packs is more expensive than Dark Vengeance, and other card games, like Yugioh, get even more expensive than that, plus cycle out cards legal for multiple formats every single year, so 40k is actually cheaper in the long run even with the gradually climbing prices, let alone when you factor in something like DV which is this huge of a steal.

Even if you don't run either of the armies, and even if you don't feel like converting either force, and even if you don't find a buyer for any of the models(which if you got the spec ed you should at least be able to find a buyer for the Chaplain)... you can still use them to practice your painting skills, to make a chess set less boring, to use for playing Dungeons and Dragons, etc., etc. Be creative.

Just my two cents.

Asmodai's Joy wrote:A few thoughts:

As a psuedo new player (I tried to get in years ago but wasn't in the cards, so entering now for the first time) I would point out, you don't just pick up 40k on your own. Someone is trying to convince you to come play with them. That said, you do have a good idea of how much of a value you're getting. You know how much the rulebook is. You know that between the rulebook, the templates, the dice, and the termies alone you've very nearly payed for the whole box.

Lots of new players don't have someone else trying to convince them, a large share is people who just spot the store, or the models, think it looks interesting, grab the kit, then go down to the store to play. Seen plenty of kids do it (I was one of them), hell, seen plenty of adults do it this way too.

Also, quite often you're going to need 2 boxes for two people (at least after a while once you're both into it) so that you both have rulebooks.
While if each of you is going to play an army in the box, that's fine, it becomes less special if one or both of you aren't interested in the force(s) there.
Still a decent enough deal for the mini rulebook, templates and such though, even if you just paint / sell on the models

Back when I started, I spotted the game, then decided wanted it, so I got the starter kit and went from there. When I got back into the game, a few years ago after a 3 year hiatus, I bought Assault on Black Reach on my own, and when I was starting fantasy, Island of Blood (though admittedly I eventually gave the High Elves to my fiancee to paint because she thought they look pretty.

As a gamer I would point out to you all that the average college student who plays in any game at all throws down this kind of money. A box of Magic the Gathering Booster Packs is more expensive than Dark Vengeance, and other card games, like Yugioh, get even more expensive than that, plus cycle out cards legal for multiple formats every single year, so 40k is actually cheaper in the long run even with the gradually climbing prices, let alone when you factor in something like DV which is this huge of a steal.

For what it's worth, Competitive MTG is more expensive than Competitive YuGiOh. Though casual YuGiOh is slightly more expensive than casual MTG.

Even if you don't run either of the armies, and even if you don't feel like converting either force, and even if you don't find a buyer for any of the models(which if you got the spec ed you should at least be able to find a buyer for the Chaplain)... you can still use them to practice your painting skills, to make a chess set less boring, to use for playing Dungeons and Dragons, etc., etc. Be creative.

I have a tub with a pretty much untouched collection of AOBR orks simply clipped off the sprue and undercoated.... maybe one day... xD

Just my two cents.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Gutstuf Ugfang wrote:
its about right, although the dark angels have the point bias; which isnt a surprise. it would have been cool to see even point values for both sides considering the factions that are in it.

It would have been cool to get a starter set where the good guyz aren't biased to win :/ Seriously, Chaos got some gakky units to face those DA.

agreed. they still look bad ass though.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Gutstuf Ugfang wrote:
its about right, although the dark angels have the point bias; which isnt a surprise. it would have been cool to see even point values for both sides considering the factions that are in it.

It would have been cool to get a starter set where the good guyz aren't biased to win :/ Seriously, Chaos got some gakky units to face those DA.

That logic assumes boths forces are meant to hulksmash it out against each other, they aren't, they are designed to take a handful of the models at a time in specific little missions and teach new players each aspect of the game, which DV does quite well, the only major unit types it doesn't have in the box are skimmers, flyers and jetbikes and even then they are variations on a theme.

It only really has Infantry, Bike and Walker, in that regards it's probably less good than previous editions.

Out of: Infantry, Bikes, Jetbikes, Eldar Jet Bikes, Artillery, Jump Units, Jet Pack Units, Monstrous Creatures, Beasts, Cavalry, Flying Monstrous Creatures, Characters, Psykers, Transports, Flyers, Chariots, Open-Topped Vehicles, Heavy Vehicles, Fast Vehicles, Skimmers, Walkers and Tanks.

Of which the common / Major types are probably: Infantry, Bikes, Eldar Jet Bikes, Jump Units, Jet Pack Units, Monstrous Creatures, Beasts, Characters, Psykers, Transports, Flyers, Open-Topped Vehicles, Fast Vehicles, Skimmers, Walkers and Tanks.

I don't think it would be that hard to include one of each in a starter pack.

Still - Probably the best value item in GW is the starter kit, and one of the few things probably priced accordingly.

I think it is too high a price for a starter box. Yes, to us gamers we realize it is a good deal for the minis.

But is it? Or does it simply SEEM like a good deal because everything else is so horribly overpriced?

Do you see new players buying it? My FLGS has sold quite a few starters, but only a couple have been sold to new players out of the couple dozen sold.

So, it is a good deal for the minis, but a ridiculous price for a starter set.

I quite liked the Battle for Macragge set. The number of models was not too daunting for a start. You got some scenery and the scenarios were basic yet amusing.

Another good one I think is the Mines of Moria set. Whilst also not containing a full army, you got some very, very nice miniatures (I love Sam and his pot-weapon!). It's also one of the most iconic scenes from the first movie.

My main issue with Dark Vengeance is that the number of models, and the detail on the Chaos ones, would be very daunting for most new players. They should have gone with Macragge-like Marines coupled with a group of, I don't know, something simple to paint with washes like Tyranids, Daemons or Orks. This is because for the new player they can learn to paint something simple with flat colours (the Marines) and learn how to highlight and wash (the monstery creatures).

But that's not the point. I think that, for what you get in the box, DV is quite good value. Compared to my big hardcover rulebook (60 euros when I bought it at the GW in Dublin), the deal is very nice.

Yeah its a good deal all the marine models can be sanded down to make any marine type you play, you can even add some green stuff and make a decent Chaos Army. Buy two sets and you have a standard two army game ready to go, for two player maches. OR add some green stuff and you have a full list. 20 marines of any colt, 10 chosen, 40 cultist, 2 hellbrutes, 10 terminators, 6 bikers, and 6 champs to do whatever with.

Dark Vengeance £65. Singular 6th Edition rule book alone - £50 Simple maths.

The Models are superbly detailed however (like on all GW products) ther is too much extra plastic on the sprues. Surely using less plastic on sprues would mean a cheaper price tag/more models?

Anywhere outside the UK Ihowever and you're talking silly prices.

JTDAquila wrote:


The Models are superbly detailed however (like on all GW products) ther is too much extra plastic on the sprues. Surely using less plastic on sprues would mean a cheaper price tag/more models?

This is GW we're talking 'bout.

JTDAquila wrote:
Dark Vengeance £65. Singular 6th Edition rule book alone - £50 Simple maths.

The Models are superbly detailed however (like on all GW products) ther is too much extra plastic on the sprues. Surely using less plastic on sprues would mean a cheaper price tag/more models?

Anywhere outside the UK Ihowever and you're talking silly prices.

£50?

It's £45 for the hardback book and £61.50 for Dark Vengeance. (The Limited Ed box was £65)

And while not for everyone (and I ended up buying the 6th Hardback (though for £35ish at a 3rd party retailer) it was probably worth the 4 months I wouldn't have been able to play without it) it does have a LOT of extra stuff not in the mini-book (tons of art, history, etc), ultimately containing roughly 1/3 of the content.
Based in this (adjusting slightly for the Hardcover too), we can probably value the Mini-Book at about £18.

And while there's a lot of sprue, I'm not sure how much you can actually cut it down - you need X clearance around each piece so it cools properly, to avoid distortion, etc, you need X amount of vents / injection ports to make sure everything is filled, and X amount of frame to ensure it stays solid and doesn't get wrecked in transit.

I voted yes, but with the caveat that there is nothing contained in the set that I want or need.

Really wish they hadn't made them dark angels, they should have done chaos and then imperial guard or some other non "evil" faction like eldar or tau

I voted yes but reading other comments I realised that Australia is extremely hard done by when it comes to Gw minis.
Here DV is $180 which is the same price for a battleforce but still about $50 too much. Selling as the same price as a battleforce makes it seem great value for money so I will still buy it but maybe from somewhere out of Australia.