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**White Ninja**

Kevin949 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
jbunny wrote:
One I did not see is "What is considered Unique?"

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It'll say so in your Army List.
I'm not sure how that's even a question.

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Kevin949 wrote:
Stoff3 wrote:
Kevin949 wrote:
Fragile wrote:

No since you have to fire the Tesla at one of the Targets hit by the Death ray

Yup...so I'll save my 75 points if I want an answer to flyers and just take a night scythe. *Sigh*

What is it to sigh about? The Doom Scythe would be utterly broken, imbalanced, overpowered and so on if it would work as you wanted it to. This is good for the game, since Necrons are as broken as they are atm.

Apparently you haven't fought a storm eagle/raven with their many guns and killy goodness. So you're saying that necrons having two vehicles with the EXACT SAME GUN being the only answer to flyers is "fine"? And having ONE weapon that is str 10 ap 1 would make them OP when IoM flyers have access to similar weapons that are twin linked or can be PotMS fired and have like 2 or 3 other weapons to fire as well is fine? Ugh, that's why I'm sighing.

And they even cost the same!
Oh, wait...

I know they cost more but as I said, they have MUCH more to offer as well, as well as higher armor. I'm just making a point that allowing that one weapon to hit flyers would not have broken the game or made the doom scythe super-duper-killy-awesome-most-best-unit-ever. It's just a bummer that our only other option to take out flyers is no longer an option and you KNOW that IoM is going to get flakk missiles up the wazoo soon and necrons won't get jack for taking out flyers (outside of what is available to EVERYONE). But we'll see, I know they're working on coming out with army specific fortifications and the like, so we'll see.

All necrons need is to snap fire twinlinked Tesla destructors. Oh look I role one six that's three hits with a strength 7 weapon. Good help them If you actually score two hits.

**Sephyr**

Ups and downs doe Dark Eldar. Goos that Klaives and Huskblades are AP 2 now. Ultra-lame that they don't count as Eldar for receiving Guide. Ho-hum that Vect's weapon remains AP3.

I was expecting their flyers to get Vector Dancer, though. They are still rather overcosted.

**Kevin949**

White Ninja wrote:
All necrons need is to snap fire twinlinked Tesla destructors. Oh look I role one six that's three hits with a strength 7 weapon. Good help them If you actually score two hits.

Sorry, most of the flyers I go up against are AV 12 so I don't have such a great outlook on the T. Destructor. Don't get me wrong, it's performed very well for what it is, but it's annoying that it's our only option when SM can get TL-LasCannons for their anti-air.

Also they wouldn't be snap fired due to skyfire.

**rigeld2**

Kevin949 wrote:
White Ninja wrote:
All necrons need is to snap fire twinlinked Tesla destructors. Oh look I role one six that's three hits with a strength 7 weapon. Good help them If you actually score two hits.

Sorry, most of the flyers I go up against are AV 12 so I don't have such a great outlook on the T. Destructor. Don't get me wrong, it's performed very well for what it is, but it's annoying that it's our only option when SM can get TL-LasCannons for their anti-air.

4 dice TL, every hit generating 3 total, glancing or better 1/3 of the time, with a 24" range. Yeah, that's much worse than a single TL STR9 shot.

**HoverBoy**

Lol wut

Tyranid FAQ wrote:Q: If a model makes a Pile In move which brings it into base contact
with a model with a lash whip, does it then fight at its normal
Initiative step or must it wait until the Initiative 1 step? (p83)
A: It fights at its normal Initiative 1 step.

Necron FAQ wrote:Q: If a model makes a Pile In move which brings it into base contact
with a Canoptek Wraith with whip coils, does it then fight at its
normal Initiative step or must it wait until the Initiative 1 step? (p44)
A: It fights at its normal Initiative.

**rigeld2**

HoverBoy wrote:
Lol wut

Tyranid FAQ wrote:Q: If a model makes a Pile In move which brings it into base contact
with a model with a lash whip, does it then fight at its normal
Initiative step or must it wait until the Initiative 1 step? (p83)
A: It fights at its normal Initiative 1 step.

Necron FAQ wrote:Q: If a model makes a Pile In move which brings it into base contact
with a Canoptek Wraith with whip coils, does it then fight at its
normal Initiative step or must it wait until the Initiative 1 step? (p44)
A: It fights at its normal Initiative.

Typo, obviously. Remove the number 1 from the first answer and the sentence makes sense. Leave it there and the sentence doesn't make sense.
It's also consistent with Whip Coils if you remove the number one. Which, by the way the FAQs are worded, is exactly what they're going for.

**Kevin949**

rigeld2 wrote:
Kevin949 wrote:
White Ninja wrote:
All necrons need is to snap fire twinlinked Tesla destructors. Oh look I role one six that's three hits with a strength 7 weapon. Good help them If you actually score two hits.

Sorry, most of the flyers I go up against are AV 12 so I don't have such a great outlook on the T. Destructor. Don't get me wrong, it's performed very well for what it is, but it's annoying that it's our only option when SM can get TL-LasCannons for their anti-air.

4 dice TL, every hit generating 3 total, glancing or better 1/3 of the time, with a 24" range. Yeah, that's much worse than a single TL STR9 shot.

No, every 6 to hit generates two extra hits.

**rigeld2**

Kevin949 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Kevin949 wrote:
White Ninja wrote:
All necrons need is to snap fire twinlinked Tesla destructors. Oh look I role one six that's three hits with a strength 7 weapon. Good help them If you actually score two hits.

Sorry, most of the flyers I go up against are AV 12 so I don't have such a great outlook on the T. Destructor. Don't get me wrong, it's performed very well for what it is, but it's annoying that it's our only option when SM can get TL-LasCannons for their anti-air.

4 dice TL, every hit generating 3 total, glancing or better 1/3 of the time, with a 24" range. Yeah, that's much worse than a single TL STR9 shot.

No, every 6 to hit generates two extra hits.

Right. 1 + 2 extra == 3 total. The statement was about snap firing TL Destructors, which hit on a 6.
On average, every TL Destructor snap shot will glance or better at least once against a Stormraven - unless he Evades which means he's snap shotting against you next turn. I'd say that's a fair trade off.

**Kevin949**

rigeld2 wrote:
Kevin949 wrote:
rigeld2 wrote:
Kevin949 wrote:
White Ninja wrote:
All necrons need is to snap fire twinlinked Tesla destructors. Oh look I role one six that's three hits with a strength 7 weapon. Good help them If you actually score two hits.

Sorry, most of the flyers I go up against are AV 12 so I don't have such a great outlook on the T. Destructor. Don't get me wrong, it's performed very well for what it is, but it's annoying that it's our only option when SM can get TL-LasCannons for their anti-air.

4 dice TL, every hit generating 3 total, glancing or better 1/3 of the time, with a 24" range. Yeah, that's much worse than a single TL STR9 shot.

No, every 6 to hit generates two extra hits.

Right. 1 + 2 extra == 3 total. The statement was about snap firing TL Destructors, which hit on a 6.
On average, every TL Destructor snap shot will glance or better at least once against a Stormraven - unless he Evades which means he's snap shotting against you next turn. I'd say that's a fair trade off.

Ok, but you don't have to snap fire it with skyfire.

**rigeld2**

Kevin949 wrote:
Ok, but you don't have to snap fire it with skyfire.

Sure. Which means even more hits. What - on average 5 or 6 STR7 hits? So 2-3 glancing/pen hits?

**Grey Templar**

Pyrian wrote:
What's the reasoning on Dreadknight swords getting S10?

Dreadknight has a DCCW(Strx2)

The Greatsword say "The bearer of the sword gains rerolls..."

Bearer =/= using in melee.

Therefore, the Dreadknight uses its DCCW in melee and the Sword's benifit applies to its attacks. And neither are specilist weapons so they give +1A to each other.

**Phazael**

I hope people like the cylon death fleet, because they pretty much killed my melecrons outright by making lichguard phase swords ap3. In fact I would be shocked to ever see a Cron list that did not spam fliers and wraiths from this point forward.

Also, gratz on Banshees continuing to collect dust on shelves for the third edition in a row, as even the squad leaders cannot take an AP2 weapon. The Storm Guardians and Swooping Hawks need the company.

So much Xenos hate in those faqs.....

**pretre**

Banshee Exarch can take Mirror Swords which ignore armor saves.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Phazael wrote:
I hope people like the cylon death fleet, because they pretty much killed my melecrons outright by making lichguard phase swords ap3. In fact I would be shocked to ever see a Cron list that did not spam fliers and wraiths from this point forward.

Also, gratz on Banshees continuing to collect dust on shelves for the third edition in a row, as even the squad leaders cannot take an AP2 weapon. The Storm Guardians and Swooping Hawks need the company.

So much Xenos hate in those faqs.....

Just put a warscythe lord with the lychguard. That should solve it.

**BlueDagger**

pretre wrote:
Banshee Exarch can take Mirror Swords which ignore armor saves.

lol Good luck killing that 2+ armor with only a S3 Exarch and a bunch of wet noodles.

Phazael wrote: Also, gratz on Banshees continuing to collect dust on shelves for the third edition in a row, as even the squad leaders cannot take an AP2 weapon. The Storm Guardians and Swooping Hawks need the company.

Hawk, while still not worth their cost, have a lot of benefits now.

**pretre**

BlueDagger wrote:
pretre wrote:
Banshee Exarch can take Mirror Swords which ignore armor saves.

lol Good luck killing that 2+ armor with only a S3 Exarch and a bunch of wet noodles.

Mirror Swords - 5 attacks, hitting on 3's, wounding on 5's. (10/3 hit, 10/9 wound, 10/9 dead Termies)
Power Axe - 4 attacks, hitting on 3's, wounding on 4's (8/3 hit, 8/6 wound, 8/6 dead termies)

So common terms, that's 20/18 with MS and 24/18 with Axe. MS hit at Init 10 and the difference is .222 dead termies.

**Happyjew**

Except the exarch cannot have a power axe, only a power sword. The old models with power axes hav been determined to be modeled with Executioners.

**HoverBoy**

It's not really xeno hate its Eldar hate, i mean we saw the target locks return and i won't even comment on disruption pods...
And then there's the Impaler cannon and yamgarls as well.

**pretre**

Happyjew wrote:
Except the exarch cannot have a power axe, only a power sword. The old models with power axes hav been determined to be modeled with Executioners.

Right, I was responding to the fact that he said the removal of a power axe option, and the 'lack of an AP2 option on the squad leader' was a huge nerf compared to being able to take mirror swords. Both of his statements were incorrect.

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HoverBoy wrote:
It's not really xeno hate its Eldar hate, i mean we saw the target locks return and i won't even comment on disruption pods...
And then there's the Impaler cannon and yamgarls as well.

Ymgarls already had a specific exception. Eldar really did not get nerfed.

**BlueDagger**

pretre wrote:
BlueDagger wrote:
pretre wrote:
Banshee Exarch can take Mirror Swords which ignore armor saves.

lol Good luck killing that 2+ armor with only a S3 Exarch and a bunch of wet noodles.

Mirror Swords - 5 attacks, hitting on 3's, wounding on 5's. (10/3 hit, 10/9 wound, 10/9 dead Termies)
Power Axe - 4 attacks, hitting on 3's, wounding on 4's (8/3 hit, 8/6 wound, 8/6 dead termies)

So common terms, that's 20/18 with MS and 24/18 with Axe. MS hit at Init 10 and the difference is .222 dead termies.

Lol I think you kinda miss the point there. Yes, you have one model that can kill 1-2 terminators banking that fail their invul. However the rest of the squad won't be doing squat. Even Banshees vs MEQs now have to footslog to their target, which makes them completely unworth it. Take doom, take a nightspinner, and enjoy better odds with 300x the range.

**pretre**

Right, but that didn't change in the FAQ. They were immobile before the FAQ and after it.

**Happyjew**

I agree with Hoverboy. All my vehicles now have the Jink special rule, and Swooping Hawks hit vehicles (except Walkers) automatically regardless of how far the moved? Oh noes!1! I also can't believe they only gave the Fire Axe +1 Str and the Smash special rule. [/sarcasm]

**pretre**

Also, rest of the squad is 3 attacks, 6/3 hit, 6/9 wound, 6/54 dead. So on average, one dead termy from the rest of them. lol Poor banshees.

**60mm**

Definitely some Nid hate to go with the Eldar hate. I guess it's classic xenos hate, gotta be a new kid to get some love.

**Happyjew**

pretre wrote:
Also, rest of the squad is 3 attacks, 6/3 hit, 6/9 wound, 6/54 dead. So on average, one dead termy from the rest of them. lol Poor banshees.

This is probably why Terminators are 24 points more.

**BlueDagger**

pretre wrote:
Eldar really did not get nerfed.

Yeah..... about that... jsut to name a few

- Star engines got a big nerf, they give +6 inches to flat out. For that many points? no thanks
- No more 2D6 on veil. We knew it was coming, but still a massive nerf.
- Runes of Wardning no longer stacks
- Vibro Cannon can't hit fliers
- Destructors can't overwatch

**pretre**

Happyjew wrote:
pretre wrote:
Also, rest of the squad is 3 attacks, 6/3 hit, 6/9 wound, 6/54 dead. So on average, one dead termy from the rest of them. lol Poor banshees.

This is probably why Terminators are 24 points more.

Woah woah woah. Are you trying to use logic on me? That is un...callled...for.

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BlueDagger wrote:
pretre wrote:
Eldar really did not get nerfed.

Yeah..... about that... jsut to name a few

- Star engines got a big nerf, they give +6 inches to flat out. For that many points? no thanks
- No more 2D6 on veil. We knew it was coming, but still a massive nerf.
- Runes of Wardning no longer stacks
- Vibro Cannon can't hit fliers
- Destructors can't overwatch

Did anyone expect the RoW stacking and Veil thing to last? It was silly that people were playing it that way. Vibro cannon couldn't hit flyers before, imo.

The one I will agree to is Destructor.

Star engines may be poorly costed, but that has nothing to do with this faq update.

**Dozer Blades**

I find it hilarious that many of the heavily entrenched claims made here by our resident rules lawyers have been swept away. It is a glorious moment for all who fairly play!

**BlueDagger**

pretre wrote:
Happyjew wrote:
pretre wrote:
Also, rest of the squad is 3 attacks, 6/3 hit, 6/9 wound, 6/54 dead. So on average, one dead termy from the rest of them. lol Poor banshees.

This is probably why Terminators are 24 points more.

Woah woah woah. Are you trying to use logic on me? That is un...callled...for.

24pts more for something with a 5+ invul, 2+ armor, +1s, +1t, +1a, ATSKNF, Combat Tactics, and has power weapons that reroll or S8 w/ 3+ invul.

It's not like are odds were all that great with power weapons ignoring armor either.

**rigeld2**

Dozer Blades wrote:
I find it hilarious that many of the heavily entrenched claims made here by our resident rules lawyers have been swept away. It is a glorious moment for all who fairly play!

Care to point out some?