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AWESOME. These models are pure win. ...Well, except the obliterators. SOSOSOSOSOSO happy that the raptors/warptalons are plastic. I feel relieved.

One DV box of Chaos coming up!

Wow really, that's like what $60 for a codex. Guess I won't be buying every codex for the fluff anymore. Well done GW well done. :(

I'll deal with this the same way I've dealt with my orks for the last couple of tears (since gorkamorka).

*grabs his saw, clippers, glue, files, modelling tools, GS and plasticard* that wich I don't like, I will improve.

Basicly, I love the chosen, raprors/warptalons, cultists and the ICs so far. The rest will be awsome as well once I'm done removing their heads, and replaced it with something more mechanical. *glances at the khorne and nurgle stuff at FW for inspiration*.

Darnit, time to get an extra job, cause this'll be expensive.
Do we have any hints on what will be in each "wave"?

<lurker mode disengaged>

This picture demonstrates why this lineup is so laughably bad.

The Dark Vengeance Chosen and Hellbrute are fantastic. They are stunning renditions of the corruption of the "marine form" and also an homage to rogue trader, done within the current vision of chaos.

What does GW chase the epicness of their release with? Robot dinosaurs and goopy-sculpting as "chaos."

Therion hit the nail on the head--The saving grace is that gamers can make whole armies out of Dark Vengeance marines. Bring on the conversions.

<lurker mode reengaged>

Looks better. Sorcerer is great, Raptors good too. Oblits, I guess they'll do. Dark Apostle is way too busy. He looks like receipt machine gone nuts.

 aka_mythos wrote:
As far as the bloodcrusher goes, I see no reason it shouldn't be classified a daemon engine...

Because it's not. It's a Daemon.

Daemon Engines are constructs that contain the trapped essence of a Daemon. A Jugger simply is a Daemon.

Looks like I am adding Raptors and a Dark Apostle to my wish list... maybe even a Sorcerer.
(In addition to the Dragon and fiends)

Loving those Obliterators, the black raptors, the dark apostle, the WarpSmith, and that sorceror.

The dragon thingy is so, so.

Still don't like the fiends.

Angron. feth yes!!!!

Probably been mentioned ages ago, but the Chaos Space Marine Battleforce cannot be bought from the GW website anymore.

Also, I pretty much love everything in this release, especially the dragon.

 aka_mythos wrote:
We at least have cultists as a troop choice now. Monster sized kits are just more dramatic and GW is selling on excitement.

I feel like some people are underselling the potential for CSM armies to look *very* different with this new codex. Cultists and daemon engines with a smattering of power armor and some daemonic allies gets you something fairly close to LatD, and a much different kind of composition than the spikey loyalists of 5th edition.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
It would be nice to have a codex just plain called "Chaos" like there was in 2nd edition... just one big book of insanity from start to finish and tons of units.

That's what chaos should be about, a massive variety of absolutely bizzare and non-coherent units, it's all in the name!

You remember 2nd Ed differently to me. 2nd Ed is where "Marines w/Spikes" got started. It's where we first got the Terminators with the trophy racks, the spiky add-ons for vehicles, and so on.

The focus definitely went on the CSMs in 2nd ed...the designers even talked about it at the time. But they still had the alternate lists in the back of the codex. So mishmash Chaos -- while in a coma and on life support -- was at least still recognized. The 3rd ed. codex is what pulled the plug.


Regarding the new pics, I still say they'll fit in better once they're in people's armies and painted with a unified scheme. I don't think the Dragon's paint job in particular does the model any justice.

Evilledz wrote:
Probably been mentioned ages ago, but the Chaos Space Marine Battleforce cannot be bought from the GW website anymore.

Also, I pretty much love everything in this release, especially the dragon.

It has been said before and it has also been said that it can still be purchased in the US.

Looks like a side effect of catching the obliterator virus is a severe case of diarrhea.

Other than that, i'm being increasingly drawn to the fiends. At that size, the "warmachine Cryx stuff" feel waxes and wanes, giving way to waves of sheer awesomeness.

Everything looks great. I'm happy to be selling my CSM. This gives me a clean slate to start with, with less wasted money.

I'm hoping we see a hellbrute kit and a chosen kit, but if not, I have no dilemma buying several boxes of the new starter set. They stack up quite nicely with these new models. CSM are looking up!

ALSO! I CAN NOW FIELD RIDLEY! That flying things looks just like ridley to me.

Wow... those CC Oblits are bad. Those stretched faces are simply hilarious. They look like Jim Carry faces.

I'm liking the Forgebrutefiendthingy (whatever it's called) more now that I can see just how damned huge it is. Just can't use that awful beast face. I'll stick to the metallic maw. The Raptors sure are nice... damned shame they couldn't match the aesthetic of the current ones. The Sorcerer is bad. The Dark Apostle would be fine if not for the crazyoverthetop Chaos star hanging off his back like a Hi-Tech Mini's piece of unnecessary bling (but that's optional - and will probably be miscast anyway - so it's not a big deal really). And there appears to be some sort of worldwide conspiracy that stops the Warpsmith (that name... ) from being photographed without camera flash flare ruining the photo.

Liking the dragon the more I see it.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Heh, fair enough. But why fine cast? That's a little expensive production wise for a test run, isn't it?

LOL!

You think Finecost costs them anything? It's (needlessly and hopelessly) overpriced for us, not for them.

A few more, thanks once again to Mr. Bramgaunt.

 Therion wrote:
I fail to see why both you and H.B.M.C. thought I was making a comparison.

You lack the physical components within the human body necessary to admit when you're wrong, don't you?

One person said, in a nutshell, "I'll use the Zombie Dragon" to which you said "And I'll just use a Rapier as a Land Raider". That's drawing a (false) comparison between the two acts. Anyone with a functioning brain could see that.

Nvs wrote:
I honestly can't believe how terrible the Thousand Sons have turned out for another edition now. I'm sorry, but S&P/R isn't that valuable for the unit when you consider they all have bolters anyway with the new rapid fire rules. They're still horribly overpriced for what they bring to the table even with AP3 bolters.

And what's Icon of Fire? Is that just what gives them soulfire? So that isn't even a free upgrade? Come on... they're crap. And there's probably nothing else in the book with a Tzeentch flare other than the HQ choice.

For shame.

I can live with 23 point 1000 sons, the part that makes them uncompetitive is the 60 pt aspirig sorcerer that has the ability to PAY for 2 more psychic abilities. Hopefully they go the C:SM route and either cost him at 45 with powers (no more than aspiring champ with PW) or 60 with 2 abilities auto included.

CC Oblits are pretty bad. Badly sculpted stretched faces makes me recall the old DE Archon model.

I like the Assault Daemon Engine--not a big fan of the cannon one.

The CC oblits are the only fail for me. I wasn't a huge fan of the Warpfiends or whatever but I love the Raptors....They look amazing!!!!

Looks like my counts-as every marine Iron Warrior army will be growing

I like the fiends, the jump guys are pretty cool too. Really, really unsure about that dragon...need to see more for sure before a verdict can be rendered.

 AgeOfEgos wrote:
CC Oblits are pretty bad. Badly sculpted stretched faces makes me recall the old DE Archon model.

I like the Assault Daemon Engine--not a big fan of the cannon one.

It feels like they left the sculpt too long in the sun and it melted.. sorta.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 aka_mythos wrote:
As far as the bloodcrusher goes, I see no reason it shouldn't be classified a daemon engine...

Because it's not. It's a Daemon.

Daemon Engines are constructs that contain the trapped essence of a Daemon. A Jugger simply is a Daemon.

I think its a case of semantics not to consider the juggernaught a daemon engine when every implication is that some of what's on it isn't necessaily how it naturally exists.

You want to narrowly define daemon engine as a machine with a bound daemon inside. Given all the other forms daemon engines have shown thats too narrow an interpretation. Its now more apt to say that a daemon engine is simply the melding of daemon and machine with no regard to the predominance of either of the two parts. The soul grinder is a daemon engine but it comes into being through the Forge of Souls... made by daemons... but its still considered a daemon engine despite its seemingly purely super natural creation. So if we can accept that as a daemon engine... and daemon engines are simply the amalgamation of machine and daemon... then even a super naturally occuring armored daemon with minute amount of machinery... like pistons should fall under the broad umbrella of a daemon engine even regardless of who made it.

ooo, is that a new chosen model? heres hoping that its a 5 man plastic kit and not a one off finecast champion

Are there any shots for the peopel that have these work blocked?? PLAEASE!!???!!! Alot of them have the red X thru where the pic is but then some dont. But the ones that dont are look strickly from the DV bov except the one of the warpsmith. Please if someone could post for the work blocked please. or if they are already on this thread what page. haha sorry just excited.

Lando

 Mantle wrote:
ooo, is that a new chosen model? heres hoping that its a 5 man plastic kit and not a one off finecast champion

No, that's the aspiring champion people have been wanting to see. BUT he is plastic.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
And there appears to be some sort of worldwide conspiracy that stops the Warpsmith (that name... ) from being photographed without camera flash flare ruining the photo.

Just for you, we shall change the name to Warptech Marinesmith

It would have been Warpmarine Techsmith, but that seemed too obvious.

Some of those are horrible. The fiends, dragon, and darlk apostle just look horrible. Everything else looks pretty cool though.

Agree with HMBC that the Fiend does look better now that we can see it's a big arse monster. Still not sold on the Dragon/Hell Drake thingy.

Shame the standard Chaos Marines are not getting a resculpt but I'm not overly surprised. Very few existing plastic kits have been updated following a new codex/army book release in recent years (Skaven Clan Rats being a rare exception).

Not sheriff serious at the codex coming out to 50 USD. That's the Chaos half of Dark Vengeance right there, and I can tell you right now which one I would rather have.

Huge Fiend reminds me even more of a dinosaur :( There's nothing worse than a kid-friendly approach for chaos, and these new vehicles seem to be a severe case of that.

That said, the new Raptors and Chosen look really great. The obliterators... I think they could look good after an appropriate headswap.