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 pretre wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
What I think when I see the new chaos models:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIaFVrFQFGo&feature=related

So original!

Hey, I made that post before even looking at the thread, I just had a look at the pictures :(

 kronk wrote:
Perhaps they all wear black to mirror their Chaplain counter-parts amongst the loyalists?

I think this may be a possibility unfortunately, making Dark Apostles simply religiously devout Chaos Space Marine Chaplain counterparts, found throughout most Legions. I really liked them more as a Word Bearers thing though....

This release is looking like a very mixed bag. On the one hand, we have completely brilliant models like the Raptors/Warp Talons-- perhaps the best MEQ plastic kit in existence-- and the awesome Dark Vengeance models.

On the other, we have the blocky and uninspiring Dæmon Engines and Flyer. I am somewhat gladdened to see that the Dæmon Engine can be assembled with the far superior elongated head when in shooting configuration-- and that the minigun option looks much better than the plasma cannons-- but that model still doesn't quite do it for me.

The new raptors are complete garbage. I can't believe they thought this was a better aesthetic than the classic raptors.

Classic raptors: all had dynamic poses, unique talon feet, unique helmet and armor designs that made them clearly "raptor cult" members, and the same distinctive backpack.

New raptors: boring/standard assault marine poses, ice climber spiked boots, random lightning armor design, cool heads but way worse and less distinctive than the old. They just look like a bunch of CSM dudes decided to put on jetpacks for the day. The old raptors looked like they were worthy of the term "raptor cult"/

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is no one else seriously annoyed by the prices this time? May have crossed the line for me now.

It is getting irritating. This and the increasingly soulless front GW presents to the outside world.

I'm scaling back my GW projects anyway. Just picking up the odd bits off ebay for my Space Marines and Mordheim gangs.

I am not sure if anyone has asked, but ....... When did CSM team up with the Dinobots?

 taebeck wrote:
I am not sure if anyone has asked, but ....... When did CSM team up with the Dinobots?

It's in the allies chart. Check the rulebook.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Is no one else seriously annoyed by the prices this time? May have crossed the line for me now.

Watch out y'all, theres poor people around!

This makes no sense.

 ph34r wrote:
The new raptors are complete garbage. I can't believe they thought this was a better aesthetic than the classic raptors.

Classic raptors: all had dynamic poses, unique talon feet, unique helmet and armor designs that made them clearly "raptor cult" members, and the same distinctive backpack.

New raptors: boring/standard assault marine poses, ice climber spiked boots, random lightning armor design, cool heads but way worse and less distinctive than the old. They just look like a bunch of CSM dudes decided to put on jetpacks for the day. The old raptors looked like they were worthy of the term "raptor cult"/

areyoufethingkiddingme.jpg

They look more like veteran specialists than ever before.

I really like those black armored raptors. A lot. Much more than the Space Marine ones.

Yes, while my above comments make my opinions moot, the Raptors are by far the nicest models in this release and look spot on for me.

The champion with the axe is nice as well.

I can't wait to get my paws on that sorcerer

A new voucher from maelstrom, my prayers have been answered!

ITS BUYING TIME!!!

The raptors look great. I like them more than the older raptors (not that I didn't like the old ones.) I guess if you dont like the new raptors you can continue to use the old ones or just use the Warp Talons. The talons look much closer to the old raptors anyways.

So I guess everyone was not expecting the raptors to be the best looking figs in the release? The hooked chainsword is just badass.

So do you think the warp talons are upgrades to the raptors or do you think they have their own entry. I am guessing they are just an upgrade.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
So I guess everyone was not expecting the raptors to be the best looking figs in the release? The hooked chainsword is just badass.

So do you think the warp talons are upgrades to the raptors or do you think they have their own entry. I am guessing they are just an upgrade.

No, they are most likely an elite unit, by the looks of it. They appear to be equipped with lightning claws, and their ornate armor has the same style as that of the Chosen.

 aka_mythos wrote:
I think its a case of semantics not to consider the juggernaught a daemon engine when every implication is that some of what's on it isn't necessaily how it naturally exists.

You want to narrowly define daemon engine as a machine with a bound daemon inside...

It's not semantics. It's the fluff. I'm not narrowly defining anything, I'm referring to everything that has ever talked about Daemons and Daemon Engines. Juggers are Daemons. A Defiler is a Daemon Engine. Unless the fluff has changed, this is the simple truth of it. It has not changed (unless the new Codex changes it).

Those raptors really are quality.
Its going to be a shame to have to khorne them up a bit though

The dragon looks a bit more jet-like now, so i might get one.

The mauler fiend is bloody huge though!
Want 3 of them now.
Just a shame im not taking shooty units, or i think i'd end up broke through dakka fiends

 Plokoone wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
The new raptors are complete garbage. I can't believe they thought this was a better aesthetic than the classic raptors.

Classic raptors: all had dynamic poses, unique talon feet, unique helmet and armor designs that made them clearly "raptor cult" members, and the same distinctive backpack.

New raptors: boring/standard assault marine poses, ice climber spiked boots, random lightning armor design, cool heads but way worse and less distinctive than the old. They just look like a bunch of CSM dudes decided to put on jetpacks for the day. The old raptors looked like they were worthy of the term "raptor cult"/

areyoufethingkiddingme.jpg

They look more like veteran specialists than ever before.

They look like veteran specialists. Yes. Normal chaos space marine veteran specialists who strapped on jump packs.

Which is a COMPLETE retcon of what they USED to be. But hey, if you like blandification for blandification's sake, go ahead and like the new "cult-lite!" raptors.

So can maulers take 2 hades autocannons? Cause that's some pretty scary AA right there. That's 8 S8 shots coming, hitting on 6s. At least one of those would hit (statistically)

Definetly going to repurpose old obliterators into mutilators as I feel GW is just going to price itself out of the entire market. 45$ USD for thousand sons now instead of 35$

 ph34r wrote:

 Plokoone wrote:

 ph34r wrote:
The new raptors are complete garbage. I can't believe they thought this was a better aesthetic than the classic raptors.

Classic raptors: all had dynamic poses, unique talon feet, unique helmet and armor designs that made them clearly "raptor cult" members, and the same distinctive backpack.

New raptors: boring/standard assault marine poses, ice climber spiked boots, random lightning armor design, cool heads but way worse and less distinctive than the old. They just look like a bunch of CSM dudes decided to put on jetpacks for the day. The old raptors looked like they were worthy of the term "raptor cult"/

areyoufethingkiddingme.jpg

They look more like veteran specialists than ever before.

They look like veteran specialists. Yes. Normal chaos space marine veteran specialists who strapped on jump packs.

Which is a COMPLETE retcon of what they USED to be. But hey, if you like blandification for blandification's sake, go ahead and like the new "cult-lite!" raptors.

Well, on the plus side, they are plastic. And you can give them head swaps. No talons though, which is a pity. I mean, they are raptors.

The DV models were fantastic. These are less impressive.

Daemon Engines from FW look cool. The ones from GW...look like Zoids? :(

Overall opinion of what I've seen.

Sorcerer - Er....no. I prefer the 2nd edition ones, really.

Warp Smith - still looks like a Techmarine resculpt. The organic servo tendrils are neat but I might just get a Techmarine and do it myself.

Dark Apostle - Beautiful model. Beautiful. Not a huge fan of stand on 90 billion books approach or PARCHMENT EVERYWHERE but it looks the best of the lot. Pity I'm going to be converting my own from metal SM Chaplains and probably scratch-building one in Terminator armour for my Nurgle forces from spare Terminator bits.

Daemon Engines - Take them all and throw them away, please. One looks like a plastic toy, one looks little better and the flyer is ruined by its lack of tail and the ridiculous amount of metal trim they've stuck on the wings. I plan on scratch building my own for my Nurgle army as inspired by Starfarer's thread. For my Extinction Angels I'll probably end up getting and converting up a Stormguppy rather than this.

Raptors/Talons - First, I will say the Black Legion colour scheme makes them look better. Secondly, ph34r's point stands. They've lost their personality. They've gone by to ice-spike boots and the jump packs certainly aren't elegant as the profile of the Raptor cult really should be. No plans on touching these. Ever. There's yet more of that random lightning metal trim going on with them too. Seriously, why?

CC Obliterators - Hahahahaha. I'm a Ferarri.

Aspiring Champion - That's nice and all but it seems like a somewhat pointless 'splash' release for DV as he only fits in with that style. He'd look quite off in anything else. Also, his price. Hahaha, for a 1 wound champion? No.

Naming Conventions - Warp warp warp, fiend fiend fiend. Dear god buy the development team at GW a thesaurus already. This looks to be painful.

One more thing...

The Daemonic Possession Change - Remember how we griped that they might go 'oh hey, Chaos = Random lolololololol'? They did it. Sure, it might balance it out. 2+ to ignore as opposed to automatically ignoring - it's the roll of a 1, lose a squad member that gets me.

Not an issue with a cheap Rhino and a squad with a buffer man. But I'm thinking about Land Raiders with Terminators in there....that have equipment, an icon, marks etc.....

That's gonna be a damn expensive penalty for satisfying their odd desire to have random dice rolls dictate things.

 Red Corsair wrote:

 Starfarer wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Yea those prices are driving me to FW...Now better quality in their range and competitive in price....makes no sense to me.

The literally is not a single FW model I can think of that I hate. Makes me wonder where the disconnect is.

The disconnect is that FW is free to work on whatever they like, and aren't forced to push certain kits on conjunction with army releases.

That should not affect quality at all.


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I'll correct my post an say it shouldn't affect quality that much.

Are we talking quality or design? I have no doubt the GW models are of high quality, but design is subjective. I think the design of FW units is better, because they are free to work on personal projects where they care a lot about the end result. I'm not saying GW doesn't care, but the sculptors may not have the same level of dedication. In addition to that, you have a design team coming up with rules and ideas, and a art department working out the models for those rules. It's a team effort, and I'm sure design can suffer on occasion because of this. All of these units have to be made for a codex release, where FW can work on a model for ages, get it just right, and release it at their leisure.

I love the Chaos Raptors, they look far better than the older metal models.

I hate it. They are way over designed. They look like too much was done to them, felt the same way about dark vengeance chaos models too, except the hell brute, that thing is unreal and gorgeous.

Too much small detail, just looks like clutter and not a good looking model.

Someone made a comment about how about the book better be 150 something pages on Warseer, and I saw this as a reply:

korgüll;6428491 wrote:sry, only 104 pages (German edt.):(

Sooo apparently this $50+ book is only gonna be 104 pages. I'm at that point where I really have no expectations, though since everything is a lot more set in stone this seems believable.

So yeah, this will be a tough buy if true, and one that I cannot see myself making anytime in the near future. Hmm...104 page book or 20 cultists, 6 chosen, chaos lord, and helbrute.

Swing and a miss.