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Ksons pack is messed up.

1 Sorceror
6 bodies with tabards.
2 tabards
2 Bolters
4 arms
8 heads
6 shoulder pads

Thats 29 parts right? 0_o

This 31-piece pack contains

Think they missed 2 shoulder pads from the list.
Used to get 6 tabard bodies and 2 normal tabards, then enough heads and pads for 1 each.
Then stuff like bolters and arms to mix about.




Noise marines dont even get pads with the upgrade kit.

Can either buy 1 kit to upgrade 3 models (1 of each type of weapon) or a kit with 6 sonic weapons.


Night lords - Fair enough, 10 heads, 10 pads and a champs sword.

Iron warriors - 5 chests, 5 heads, melta and a lascannon.
So you need 2 of those per box of marines.
Total of £41 for a 10 man unit. (another £5 if you want IW pads!)


Why cant they just release a kit that has enough parts to arm a unit, rather than parts of a unit?
Not like they are limited to fitting it on a sprue anymore as they had to re-make moulds for finecast.


Saying that, still better than the iron hands pack.
All that contains is "23 componants"
Which helps nothing.

Minx wrote:

 ceorron wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wait, havocs are finecast? That's just silly.
I mean, longfangs and devs are plastic, why can't havocs be plastic?
Not cool, GW, not cool.
You could convert them, but that either means getting a dev box and making the marines chaosy, or buying a dev box and a CSM box.

Not only those but Khârn and Lucius and everyone was so hoping for new sculpts. Think this comes across as a bit lazy. Not sure with this output there will be a second wave. Infact really doubt it now. If they do think it will be remakes of vehicles maybe??

Their plan is to release models for all units mentioned in the codex first. They only release a limited number of new kits, so obviously the old kits won't get a remake until some time later. Hardly surprising or disappointing at all.

If I understand correctly, it costs nothing fpr GW to switch a metal model to Finecast, since they use the same molds. That means they lose nothing by Finecasting these older models, even if there is a new model for the same thing right around the corner. The only one that confuses me is Obliterators/Mutilators. How could they not have been a dual-option plastic set?

The regular Raptors look a million times better than the Warp Talons IMO. I definitely do want those

The Warpsmith looks very good too, but I weep when I think about all that detailed parts and it being Fc...

there is supposed to be new sculpts for these models they have just released the old ones for there classic line and to make do till new ones or so i have been told

So I went to my FLGS to make my Chaos Codex preorder. The well known friendly face behind the counter asked me if I wanted the Limited or the regular codex. Going for the regular codex, I prepared to pay for it. I was told a price (380SEK) but shook my head. "No, not the Limited edition. I just want a regular codex" I said. "Well it is the regular, the limited codex is 600(SEK)."

I left the store shortly after, thinking about all those years I defended how GW set their prices. But I just couldn't accept that a regular codex would suffer a 52% price increase. Yes, yes. I know that it is hardback. No, I didn't know that this is what fantasy players have been paying for their armybooks. (I never cared much for fantasy). I've could have accepted an extra 10-20% price increase due to the higher production costs. But 52%? Seriously?

Me not buying this codex wont make any difference, as the fantasy players already told GW that they are OK with this pricing (by buying the product). And I just cant defend GW anymore. The figures, fine! There they have multi-million productions centers with all the delicate machine-spirits and mechanicum hardware you can buy for money. But why did the books get so expensive? Why? Have they invested in their own printing press or something?

It's not simply that it is "softcover to hardback".

It's gone from softcover with black and white art to hardcover with full color art throughout.

 Exergy wrote:
MOST non Word Bearer chapalins were killed, not all. So i think multiple armies should be able to take them.

Yeah, not all the chaplains were killed. But apparently ALL the Thousand Sons terminators were.

 winterman wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Wow.

Looking at those pics, I can only say that Chaos has gotten very, very silly. I mean, to be fair, it was always silly. But now it's just... lol.

Unless they re-release doomrider in finecast chaos will never be as AWESOME as it once was.

Fixed it.

Also, does anyone know of an appropriate model of a young boy that I could mount on the back of the heldrake? Then he can perform vector strikes on those bullies who chased him into the bookstore.

I can't help but compare two books I'd quite like -- the new CSM codex, and the new Infinity rulebook -- and decide that, though I was planning to wait for the latter, I'd rather have it. Same kind of price, full colour hardback, but twice as many pages, and a free mini? Much better deal.

Not sure yet whether this means that my never completed CSM army, and half my DV kit, is going on eBay, or if I'll pick up a 2nd hand CSM codex in a few months. More Infinity in the meantime though.

As for the minis, I feel much the same as most other dakkaites, I think. The CC oblits look rubbish -- not just the faces, but the poses, which are probably the least dynamic of any giant close-combat killing machine mini I've seen in years. Raptors / Warp Talons look good (I don't mind all the extra bling). Most of the rest of this stuff though looks far worse than the nearest FW equivalents.

my intuition tells me most people will still buy the dex for £30 or equivalent. It is a lot of money but you probably get 5 years use out of it. And if you play 40k a lot (like me!) it is worth it.

This whole release is looking fethed up now with the massive price increase and bad conversion kits.

Many jimmies are rustled.

 troy_tempest wrote:
my intuition tells me most people will still buy the dex for £30 or equivalent. It is a lot of money but you probably get 5 years use out of it. And if you play 40k a lot (like me!) it is worth it.

Most people who play the army, yes. But I think they lost everyone who buys all the Codexes just to have and read.

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 troy_tempest wrote:
my intuition tells me most people will still buy the dex for £30 or equivalent. It is a lot of money but you probably get 5 years use out of it. And if you play 40k a lot (like me!) it is worth it.

Most people who play the army, yes. But I think they lost everyone who buys all the Codexes just to have and read.

Not to mention driving even more people to pirated pdf copies of the codex.

 Amaya wrote:
This whole release is looking fethed up now with the massive price increase and bad conversion kits.

Many jimmies are rustled.

Spoiler:

Indeed.


I'm planning on buying the codex once it's released. I'm not going to pre-order it until I know points costs for everything so I can make an actual judgment. But just from the special rules section, it's like Phil Kelly read my mind. D66 Chaos rewards (boon) table, badass rewards of the gods, and really cool abilities for the Helbrute, Possessed, and Chaos Spawn. Oh and you can't forget the cultist swarms! For those reasons alone I am excited for the codex.

The new models don't bother me precisely because I am never going to use them. If I end up liking their statline, I will make a suitable conversion. For example, for the Forgefiend/Mauler I will buy the Forgeworld Khorne Blood Slaugherers. They look way cooler and really aren't that more expensive. Same for the Dragon->Hell Talon.

 Kanluwen wrote:
It's not simply that it is "softcover to hardback".

It's gone from softcover with black and white art to hardcover with full color art throughout.

Don't bother. Nobody is allowed to have a rational reaction to GW releases("the price increase is larger than it had to be, which is annoying, but considering the changes in format much of it is justifiable" for example), it's either "HURR DINOBOTS DURR ZOIDS ZOMG FINECOST LOL" or "Nobody can complain about anything ever because GW is awesome and because of this example I'm giving you which has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand!".

As to the models; the 360's have enhanced my appreciation for the 'fiends, reinforced my apathy towards the Warpsmith(although on closer inspection I do rather like the head, that may see use in my Iron Hands), my dislike for the Apostle, and my conviction that the Raptors kit will be a fantastic source of bitz for people who want their regular CSM to match the Dark Vengeance aesthetic. I'm actually a bit disappointed the 'fiends are such big kits, my wee warband side project probably won't have enough points to fit one in.

Look on the bright side Kharn is now cheaper.

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Look on the bright side Kharn is now cheaper.

Are his costs posted? Also, anyword on his axe still having to strike last?

buddha wrote:

 gianlucafiorentini123 wrote:
Look on the bright side Kharn is now cheaper.

Are his costs posted? Also, anyword on his axe still having to strike last?

Sorry, I meant money wise.

The Fiends have me torn. Rules wise at least. The Mauler has a 12 in move (still don't get how a talos doesn't) fleet and ignores terrain. Then it only has a couple attacks BUT has two fists, HoW hit, and magma cutters which will add up to two more hits at AP1 thats 4A on the charge plus 1S6 HoW and 1-2 S8 AP1.... Not bad when coupled with demon and IWND. BUT then it only has 3HP which means some armies will dismantle the thing stupid fast. It will be funny seeing GK run from it, but then the Fiend running from DE wyches

Cost will be the decision maker on this one. Really want some points costs.

£30 for the codex...

My heart sank this day...

...

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 Extreaminatus wrote:
So happy I have a metric butt-ton of Noise Marines now.

What's so good about getting your range halved on the move and not being able to assault?

If your planning to assault, don't take sonic weapons (cept doom siren and blastmaster) Problem solved.

Why would you want to assault anyways, you'd do some damage beforehand with overwatch, D3 hits with doom siren, and an extra A2 from the blastmaster.

Noise Marines are best when made in two types of units. Super shooty in which case you add in all sonic blasters and/or blastmasters that you can. You just hang out and shoot stuff. The second build has only a doom siren and is designed for HTH to take advantage of the I5.

I just hope its possible to make these two types of units.

Overall the Sonic weapons are better than their previous 3.5 counter parts (I totally abandoned my EC during the 4th ed codex). Where blastmasters were 36" S5 AP5 assault 2 pinning or S8 AP4 heavy 1 blast. The Doom siren was S4 AP 3 flamer. Where they aren't better is the sonic blaster. Which was 24" S4 AP5 assault 2/heavy 3. I can understand that they want to use new rules, but I don't see Salvo as all that great when you can just give weapons two profiles.

Prices are on the website. Dragon is 75 and Mauler thing is 66.

 Praxiss wrote:
EEEP!!! Didn't realsie how much Forge World prices have gone up (it's beena while).

I got my Hellblade a few years ago and it was £30. Now they're £52!?!?!?!?!

bang goes my though of fielding a squadron of them.

It must have been MANY years ago as I bought mine £48 and that was 2 years ago.

I just went to the GW website, saw the crazy prices that they are charging for the new stuff and codex, if this is the future of the game, I am converting to other game systems and saying g/bye to GW. 74bucks for the chaos flyer(others are 50bucks) that forgefiend as high as 66bucks??? I am already turned off of other price increases, and the hardcover codex at 50bucks is just plain nuts I have several armies to update for 6th ed, and at 75bucks for the rulebook I am already slow at getting it, now I would have to pay nearly 300hundred for just the rules updates when the new codex comes out for SM/Orks/Tau/IG and when the time comes,,,Necrons for 6th ed?

Necrons kits already were jacked up high slowing me down, GW is digging a financial grave with this price nuttiness.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

 Exergy wrote:
MOST non Word Bearer chapalins were killed, not all. So i think multiple armies should be able to take them.

Yeah, not all the chaplains were killed. But apparently ALL the Thousand Sons terminators were.

 winterman wrote:

 JOHIRA wrote:
Wow.

Looking at those pics, I can only say that Chaos has gotten very, very silly. I mean, to be fair, it was always silly. But now it's just... lol.

Unless they re-release doomrider in finecast chaos will never be as AWESOME as it once was.

Fixed it.

Also, does anyone know of an appropriate model of a young boy that I could mount on the back of the heldrake? Then he can perform vector strikes on those bullies who chased him into the bookstore.

Hasslefree have a lot of civvie and children style sculpts, maybe they have what you seek

Heh, anyone notice the failed photoshop at fixing the FineCast ™ Lord Lightning Claws?

Preview Pic:




Enlarged pic:




Someone forgot to add a layer back

Excuse the messy photoshop, but when I looked at the dragon I couldn't help but think it wasn't finished. \

Being a nurgle player, I think I could make that work.. hmm

Wow that is ugly. Still like the fiends though.

Personally, I'm totally willing to pay 50 USD for a Codex as long as that increased price comes with a commensurate increase in quality. Thus far, it looks like it will-- hardback and full-color is a big upgrade over the old softback books, which have an unfortunate tendency to get ripped up with frequent use.

I wonder whether there will be a cultist HQ to allow pure cultist armies without any Space Marines.

 Crimson wrote:
I wonder whether there will be a cultist HQ to allow pure cultist armies without any Space Marines.

Wouldn't that just be IG?