Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Yeah, that is off the Icon. I've been thinking they had fleet, but they have (IMO) just the more useful portion of that rule, which is the reroll on the charge distance. However, it seems like it is not "as per fleet" which means you're re-rolling all the dice, not being able to pick.

From what I've heard Abaddon does make Chosen Troops, not Terminators though. Havn't heard anything about Chosen.

I've not even laid eyes on the book in person, just repeating what I've read and seen since these new pictures came out.

EDIT: Yes the Khorne Icon is Furious Charge and reroll charge distance (the screen shot of this page of the codex is on the front page of this thread). :p

I wish more info *COUGH* pics *COUGH* would be taken of the chosen entry...I really desire to do an army of chosen if possible, even if I have to take Abaddon to make it happen!

Just want to point out that in the 3.5 armory eternal warrior was a glyph or rune (can't remember too lazy to find book) that you purchased. My guess would be it's back in and you can take it on Lords and DP's again.


Stop making irrational conclusions. Having the book in hand is the only way to be sure what got nerfed or buffed. Knowing Kelleys work, you are going to be able to do stupid amounts of things but all will have a cost and be upgrades from the armory.

Daemonic Rune.

 Brometheus wrote:
Daemonic Rune.

Sank you ma frand!

In 3.5 my DP was 183 points T5 and didn't have EW. He only ever died once to insta death and that was because I was really tired and forgot to allocate his attacks against the librarian hidden in the termi squad.

Force weapons are not going to kill your DP. You challenge out the librarian and eat his face before he can do anything. And in the event your dice choose to hate you, the typical Libby will need 5s to hit, 5s to wound, you fail your 5+ inv save, then make his psychic test. Thats a lot of things that need to go right for the libby and wrong for the DP.

Your big fear from shooting will be railguns and demolisher cannons. In HTH, its Arjac and Lysander - both of whom are equal in points cost to the DP.

Stuff doesn't need EW to remain effective, competitive, or even desirable. Its my opinion that the worst thing you can do is not take something because of what might end up on the other side. Once you start doing that your not playing the game for fun.

 Jayden63 wrote:
In 3.5 my DP was 183 points T5 and didn't have EW. He only ever died once to insta death and that was because I was really tired and forgot to allocate his attacks against the librarian hidden in the termi squad.

Force weapons are not going to kill your DP. You challenge out the librarian and eat his face before he can do anything. And in the event your dice rebell, the typical Libby will need 5s to hit, 5s to wound, you fail your 5+ inv save, then make his psychic test.

Your big fear from shooting will be railguns and demolisher cannons. In HTH, its Arjac and Lysander - all of whom are equal in points cost to the DP.

Stuff doesn't need EW to remain effective, competitive, or even desirable. Its my opinion that the worst thing you can do is not take something because of what might end up on the other side. Once you start doing that your not playing the game for fun.

A 300 point model that can be instakilled isn't something I'd want to gamble on, especially when I can just take an allied thirster and be done with it. Cheaper and more effective. There are other CSM HQ options that are much lighter on points and still effective.

The thirster doesn't have quite the statline as the DP. Also, you gotta look at the cost of the other daemons you need to take to get said thirster.

Sure, the DP is no longer the auto take it used to be. But that's fine. No specific loadout should EVER be an "autotake if you want to win" (Say that in arnie's voice, it's funny). That smacks of a poorly balanced codex.

Why spend 200+ points on a HQ slot, when you could potentially get one for free throughout the course of the game.
That's my take.

Mine is my typhus/lord conversion and a Sorcerer. A. Because those nurgle powers are BOSS, and B. becuase I got the forgeworld ones and they are going on the table damn it.

So anyone able to decipher the destroyer hive? Also Manreaper is BOSS, 2x strength now. Still goes last but I can live with that, especially with 4 wounds now.

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
The Armory is Back!
So it's not the same name, but it's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned
I noted that the Daemon Prince had options from both the Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section, but the wording says "the Daemon Prince has access to Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section of the wargear list. So I believe that Daemon Princes can take Daemon Weapons! woooo

The Aspiring Champion has a similar note, except that it's from the "Ranged or Close Combat section of the wargear list"

Urge to review... rising...

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Why spend 200+ points on a HQ slot, when you could potentially get one for free throughout the course of the game.
That's my take.

Yeah for Nikked Dp poping randomly during the game!...oh wait, its even more stupid then taking a 200 pts DP with the gear you want...

I would like to remind that there was a time that if your HQ din't cost 200+pts it was considered a lame HQ for little Kids...

 Slayer le boucher wrote:

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Why spend 200+ points on a HQ slot, when you could potentially get one for free throughout the course of the game.
That's my take.

Yeah for Nikked Dp poping randomly during the game!...oh wait, its even more stupid then taking a 200 pts DP with the gear you want...

At least its like 20 points as opposed to around 145.
Are DPs T6 or T5? I can't tell.
And can the HQ type take flesh armor, or whatever it's called.

You're welcome pal

My love of life is rising...
Now I need to make sure I leave enough money to buy the book the DAY it comes out...

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
The Armory is Back!
So it's not the same name, but it's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned
I noted that the Daemon Prince had options from both the Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section, but the wording says "the Daemon Prince has access to Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section of the wargear list. So I believe that Daemon Princes can take Daemon Weapons! woooo

The Aspiring Champion has a similar note, except that it's from the "Ranged or Close Combat section of the wargear list"

Urge to review... rising...

Yes....let the urge to review flow through you...

Also now I'm wondering...the Juggernaut of Khorne is a Chaos reward. So does this theoretically mean that I can have a Daemon Prince riding a Juggernaut?

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
The Armory is Back!
So it's not the same name, but it's basically the same thing as far as I'm concerned
I noted that the Daemon Prince had options from both the Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section, but the wording says "the Daemon Prince has access to Chaos Rewards and Artefacts section of the wargear list. So I believe that Daemon Princes can take Daemon Weapons! woooo

The Aspiring Champion has a similar note, except that it's from the "Ranged or Close Combat section of the wargear list"

Urge to review... rising...

Yes....let the urge to review through you...

Also now I'm wondering...the Juggernaut of Khorne is a Chaos reward. So does this theoretically mean that I can have a Daemon Prince riding a Juggernaut?

That is awesome.
For extra awesomeness, let's hope he can take a blastmaster. Which looks like a guitar.

 Jayden63 wrote:
Your big fear from shooting will be railguns and demolisher cannons.

Just like the old days.

Personally I don't see the problem. No DP of mine has ever been immune to Instant Death, and it seems no future DP will either.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:
Also now I'm wondering...the Juggernaut of Khorne is a Chaos reward. So does this theoretically mean that I can have a Daemon Prince riding a Juggernaut?

Now I have this mental image of a DP trying to ride a shetland pony, but his legs are longer than the pony's!

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I have this mental image of a DP trying to ride a shetland pony, but his legs are longer than the pony's!

I just spit my drink out.


*edit* I'm drawing a blank on the FMC rules. A swooping FMC has the "hard to hit" rule, correct? And he can still assault and whatnot while swooping? He would just be rolling 6's to hit guys on the ground with shooting or witchfire? If so, your only real worry is that deadeye tau railgunner

Daemon Prince with a Juggernaut under each foot, rollerskate style.

Sigmundr wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Now I have this mental image of a DP trying to ride a shetland pony, but his legs are longer than the pony's!

I just spit my drink out.


*edit* I'm drawing a blank on the FMC rules. A swooping FMC has the "hard to hit" rule, correct? And he can still assault and whatnot while swooping? He would just be rolling 6's to hit guys on the ground with shooting or witchfire? If so, your only real worry is that deadeye tau railgunner

He cannot assault. He does however have vector strike.

Sigmundr wrote:
*edit* I'm drawing a blank on the FMC rules. A swooping FMC has the "hard to hit" rule, correct? And he can still assault and whatnot while swooping? He would just be rolling 6's to hit guys on the ground with shooting or witchfire? If so, your only real worry is that deadeye tau railgunner

You can't assault while swooping, you can only vector strike. He needs to swap to gliding at the start of the turn to be able to assault something.

Anyone else notice that the talon of horus isn't unwieldy(Sp) so abby has a power claw that he can use at standard initiative? or am I missing something?

-Loki- wrote:Daemon Prince with a Juggernaut under each foot, rollerskate style.

Okay the mental image for this is too much. I am going to make this and it's going to be so badass your head will explode. Oh and the rollerskate wheels will all be SKULLZZZ

Mantle wrote:Anyone else notice that the talon of horus isn't unwieldy(Sp) so abby has a power claw that he can use at standard initiative? or am I missing something?

It's AP3 so no Terminator bashing unfortunately, but everything else is going to go down in flames.

 Crimson wrote:

 Vladsimpaler wrote:

 BDJV wrote:

 VermGho5t wrote:
Has anyone heard or read the rules for vanilla csm troops?

These are the latest rumors that were posted.

Chaos Space Marine
70 for 5, 14 for each additional marine.
Aspiring Champion is a 10 point upgrade.
Come with bolter/bp/ccw
For every 5 models in the squad you get a special weapon. If the squad is 10 or more, one model can exchange a flamer(5 pts) for a Heavy Bolter, meltagun(10 points) for an Autocannon or Missile Launcher or a plasmagun(15 points) for a Lascannon.
Marks range from 10-50 points, Icons range from 10-40 points.

That's not terrible, but the loss of 1 LD point wasn't worth only losing 1 point for a model. If Chaos Marines end up being 13 points I'd be a lot happier, or if it was 70 for Aspiring Champion+4 other Marines and then add 15 additional for 13 points per.

However, if Cultists are still 40 for the initial Champion+9 cultists, and then add 20 more for 3 points per cultist (as rumored), I seriously doubt that I'm even going to be using very many Chaos Marines at all!

Do you realise that loyalist marines are 16 points per dude and do not have CCW for an extra attack? 14 for a Chaos Marine is insanely cheap.

grey hunters are 15 points, have the CCW, have ATSSNF, and have coutner attack. totally worth the point

well, it is a lightning claw i believe.

Sigmundr wrote:
The thirster doesn't have quite the statline as the DP. Also, you gotta look at the cost of the other daemons you need to take to get said thirster.

Sure, the DP is no longer the auto take it used to be. But that's fine. No specific loadout should EVER be an "autotake if you want to win" (Say that in arnie's voice, it's funny). That smacks of a poorly balanced codex.

The thirster has a better stat line than the DP. He can instant death T4 models with his normal attacks. More toughness, more weapon skill. Ok so he is a little worse with a bolter. Dang.

As for the other demons, I already have a unit of flamers, screamers, and bloodletters painted up. If I really want to get frisky I can throw my useless Chaos Space Marine prince in as an allied heavy support!

Kevlar wrote:

Sigmundr wrote:
The thirster doesn't have quite the statline as the DP. Also, you gotta look at the cost of the other daemons you need to take to get said thirster.

Sure, the DP is no longer the auto take it used to be. But that's fine. No specific loadout should EVER be an "autotake if you want to win" (Say that in arnie's voice, it's funny). That smacks of a poorly balanced codex.

The thirster has a better stat line than the DP. He can instant death T4 models with his normal attacks. More toughness, more weapon skill. Ok so he is a little worse with a bolter. Dang.

As for the other demons, I already have a unit of flamers, screamers, and bloodletters painted up. If I really want to get frisky I can throw my useless Chaos Space Marine prince in as an allied heavy support!

LOL dude calm down. Notice how once points costs and stats started being posted, people went from "this is gonna suck" to "dis sho am gud!". I'm not writing off Daemon Princes just yet.

The question about the DP riding a Jugger reminds me of the days in 3thEd where with the Chapter Approved updated wargear for DP's, you could actually have a DP of Khorne on a Jugger...

At the time a jugger offered a +1 S,W,T+2A so a S7 T6 W5 A7 Deamon Prince..., aah the fun and crazy days...