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Esparoba3 wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Zakriv wrote:
Question!

I see Chainaxes are AP4, but the Khorne Berserker entry just says they have 'close combat weapons', does anyone know if you need to pay extra for Chainaxes?

2pts per model. not worth it

I mostly play against guard or necrons, so i think they are totally worth it

Not every squad member would need it. They would generate huge amounts of combat resolution against units that don't have atsknf.

Has anyone seen a unit entry for Chaos land Raiders yet?

Any change? primarily - do we still only carry 10 models and have no PoTMS equivilant?




EDIT - ignore me - with Snapshot the PoTMS thing is largely irrelevant now.

Same, 10pts more.

Does the raider have any weapon options, or is it just lascannons and heavy bolters?

 5deadly wrote:

 BladeWalker wrote:
5deadly is my new favorite poster!

Thanks Man. I hope to do more active things in the forums with models and tutorials and such… Got some info from Picster on Massive Voodoo for converting Plague Marines. Maybe if I can get my -Ish- together I might have some decent stuff.
this make me wanna Run Nurgle all MFn day Son!

that looks great, if there's any tutorial on converting and/or painting like that, please do share

 Ratliker wrote:
What guns does Helldrake has? Hades autocannon is described as huge 6-barrel, like we see onForgefiend. Helldrake obviously doesnt has one, let alone 2. it has something in the mouth, but that seems like that's it?

it has either 1 hades autocannon or an inferno cannon that is torrent


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 schadenfreude wrote:

Esparoba3 wrote:

 Exergy wrote:

Zakriv wrote:
Question!
I see Chainaxes are AP4, but the Khorne Berserker entry just says they have 'close combat weapons', does anyone know if you need to pay extra for Chainaxes?

2pts per model. not worth it

I mostly play against guard or necrons, so i think they are totally worth it

Not every squad member would need it. They would generate huge amounts of combat resolution against units that don't have atsknf.

they end up costing 13% more with them. against guard they will do 33% more damage with no save, but still have the same T, W, and number of models.
Against guard it might actually be better to grind the blob slowly, so they cannot shoot you.
against the stuff that the chain axes are really effective against, (4+ saves) they really arent useful. Banshees will kill them first;no one takes carpace armor or 'ard boys; necron warriros, fire warriors and the like will die regardless.


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 Praxiss wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing the Hellbrute and Defiler options. I currently have 2 of each and i actually field them sometimes.

Interested in how much converting i will need to do with my Dreads to turn them into hellbrutes. A friend of mine got his DV 'brute and converted it so it is now packing a Decimetor butcher cannon - looks awesome.

I quite liked using my Defilers in the last edition (i prefer fluffy over competative) and if they now get the 5++ from Daemon (and IWND like the other daemon engines have) it could well be worth the price bump.

Hellbrutes are dreadnaughts with another name. They require no conversion to change them

 Exergy wrote:

 Praxiss wrote:
I'm looking forward to seeing the Hellbrute and Defiler options. I currently have 2 of each and i actually field them sometimes.

Interested in how much converting i will need to do with my Dreads to turn them into hellbrutes. A friend of mine got his DV 'brute and converted it so it is now packing a Decimetor butcher cannon - looks awesome.

I quite liked using my Defilers in the last edition (i prefer fluffy over competative) and if they now get the 5++ from Daemon (and IWND like the other daemon engines have) it could well be worth the price bump.

Hellbrutes are dreadnaughts with another name. They require no conversion to change them

I meant the weapon options more than anything else. I'm hoping they get stuff liek the Butcher cannon or maybe a coupe of the option tat Chaos Contemptors get. Failign that i have swappable Missile launcher, lascannonan multi melta for my converted SM dread, and MultiMelta, Lascannon and Inferno Cannon for my FW Iron Warriors Dread (who also has the SM siege drill arm - which i'm hoping to be able to use against fortifications).

 Praxiss wrote:
Dread (who also has the SM siege drill arm

that could be a nice count-as thunder hammer

Edit: in hindsight i was actually thinking about something like the seismic hammer bits and not the drill...

Have people not realised now that there's no such thing is this Codex as a Butcher Cannon? That's a FW thing, there's only the shorter ranged version that is the Hades Autocannon in our Codex, and the Hellbrute doesn't get it.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Have people not realised now that there's no such thing is this Codex as a Butcher Cannon? That's a FW thing, there's only the shorter ranged version that is the Hades Autocannon in our Codex, and the Hellbrute doesn't get it.

Sorry boss. Having not seen the entire codex or the unit entry for the Hellbrute I was unsure. Since the FW rules contain the butcher cannon and those units are stated as being suitable for 40k i didn't think it was a massive stretch that it might appear.

But since you seem to have all the info if you could share some detaisl about the Hellbrute and Defiler entries that would be grand.

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Have people not realised now that there's no such thing is this Codex as a Butcher Cannon? That's a FW thing, there's only the shorter ranged version that is the Hades Autocannon in our Codex, and the Hellbrute doesn't get it.

Source.

drbored wrote:
3 Maulerfiends (135 points apiece) charging up with a Warpsmith in the middles. They have It Will Not Die, which gives them a 5+ repair, and the Warpsmith with Mechatendrils will give them another 4+ repair, should they start taking a lot of damage... The Maulerfiends will be able to start assaulting things turn 1 if they can move 12 inches and manage to get a 12 inch charge if someone deployed right on the 24" line. Being able to make 2 repair rolls is going to be potent.. and that's only going to take up a third of your army, leaving plenty of points leftover.

This is mostly okay except for the first turn charge. By definition, you have to be over 24" away during deployment (24.000001"). So moving 12 and charging 12 would never result in a first turn charge unless someone misplaced models during deployment or fudged movement.

 mauzer wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Have people not realised now that there's no such thing is this Codex as a Butcher Cannon? That's a FW thing, there's only the shorter ranged version that is the Hades Autocannon in our Codex, and the Hellbrute doesn't get it.

Source.

This very thread. There's a picture of the summary, the Butcher Cannon isn't in.

Still, a potential 24" charge with a walker that has 2 powerfists and those magnamelta thigns is pretty nice.

I'm tempted.

Please don't post photos or scans of rules on Dakka. Thanks! ~ Manchu

not source on that, source on the dreads not being able to take a hades

Fair enough.

Looking at that summary page, i wonder what unit can take a "Power Lance"?

 Praxiss wrote:
Fair enough.

Looking at that summary page, i wonder what unit can take a "Power Lance"?

Anyone with a Power Weapon?

I thought they were only on units like Rough Riders.

Anyone with the option for Power Weapons can take them.

Oh, ok.

Am i right in thinking that the different S and Ap values depend on if the model is charging or not?

I have just been told by someone who has seen the codex that The dragon also has Vector Dancer

 Praxiss wrote:
Oh, ok.

Am i right in thinking that the different S and Ap values depend on if the model is charging or not?

That would be correct, if your charged you are AP 4 and base S

 Praxiss wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Have people not realised now that there's no such thing is this Codex as a Butcher Cannon? That's a FW thing, there's only the shorter ranged version that is the Hades Autocannon in our Codex, and the Hellbrute doesn't get it.

Sorry boss. Having not seen the entire codex or the unit entry for the Hellbrute I was unsure. Since the FW rules contain the butcher cannon and those units are stated as being suitable for 40k i didn't think it was a massive stretch that it might appear.

But since you seem to have all the info if you could share some detaisl about the Hellbrute and Defiler entries that would be grand.

 mauzer wrote:

 Godless-Mimicry wrote:
Have people not realised now that there's no such thing is this Codex as a Butcher Cannon? That's a FW thing, there's only the shorter ranged version that is the Hades Autocannon in our Codex, and the Hellbrute doesn't get it.

Source.

All the info? No. Source? I've actually read the rumours posted in this thread.

And regarding the post above, no, the Dragon does not have Vector Dancer according to several people with the Codex who all have come true on stuff that has been confirmed so far.

so quote who said the brute doesn't get a hades.

 mauzer wrote:
so quote who said the brute doesn't get a hades.

Only if you quote where it says that the Brute does get a Hades.

Will you let it go, nobody here is obliged to serve you info on a silver platter if you're too lazy to find it yourself.

This is bothering me as I really want to run 3 hades hellbrutes....
People have said there's gonna be a new hellbrute kit and so it would make sense if they get some new weapon options that the predator obviously won't get.

And as above about Vector Dancer. Well it's a shame if it doesn't. I was happy when this guy told me. But yes, I have no basis for credibility, just hearsay.

We'll know the answer to these questions and more in about a week, gentlemen!

I didn't say it did or it didn't, but he seemed confident that it didn't and refuses to back it up. None of the rumors say the hellbrute does or does not get it.