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2012/10/04 15:47:05
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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 Nicorex wrote:Sorry if this has been awnsered, but I didnt see it. Can units of Raptors still take 2 special weapons per squad?
Yup, they sure can.
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2012/10/04 15:47:38
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Nicorex wrote:Sorry if this has been awnsered, but I didnt see it. Can units of Raptors still take 2 special weapons per squad?
i dont think it's been confirmed bt all the pics have a shwo a unit of 5 having one special weapon. So 2 for 10 model makes sense.
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2012/10/04 15:53:16
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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Im sorry I guess I need to be more clear. Right now you can take 2 special weapons per 5. Can you stil do that or is it 2 per 10?
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2012/10/04 15:56:55
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Ambitious Acothyst With Agonizer
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yes, it's 2 weapons no matter the size.
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2012/10/04 16:13:57
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Ancient Chaos Terminator
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Awsome. Thank you.
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"I have traveled trough the Realm of Death and brought back novelty pencils"
Oh, somewhere in this favored land the sun is shining bright;
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2012/10/04 17:16:28
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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What changes are there to Kharn and Abaddon?
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2012/10/04 17:19:06
Subject: Re:CSM RULES OUT
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Kharn strikes at I5 with Gorechild.
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2012/10/04 17:40:49
Subject: Re:CSM RULES OUT
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Been Around the Block
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Is the maulerfiend and the forgefiend a vehicle or monstrous creature?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/04 17:41:12
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2012/10/04 17:53:53
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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They are both vehicle(walker).
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/04 17:54:42
The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog |
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2012/10/04 17:54:36
Subject: Re:CSM RULES OUT
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Been Around the Block
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got to say that is really upsetting.
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2012/10/04 17:58:05
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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Not really, they both have 3 HPs and the 'It will not die' USR so they can take a real beating.
The Maulerfiend is very fast for a walker and it will absolutely slaughter enemy vehicles and fortifications (for only slightly more than a dreadnaught).
The Forgefiend is one of the best ranged units in the game for killing light vehicles and monsterous creatures.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog |
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2012/10/04 18:22:07
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Tzeentch Veteran Marine with Psychic Potential
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 Godless-Mimicry wrote: Seb wrote: buddha wrote: Seb wrote:2 specific questions :
1. Are there terminator chosens? If yes, what are the stats? Still +1A?
2. Abaddon makes those chosens troops ?
1. Nope
2. Makes normal chosen troops.
Lame. :(
The only difference between Chosen and Terminators aside from the armour is the Chosen have special weapons and the Terminators have combi-weapons, so making a whole new unit entry for such a tiny thing would be silly.
Unless you want terminators as troops.
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2012/10/04 18:29:04
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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high cost elite units with +3sv without crusader LR to transport them are very bad . now if abadon made terminators troops too , it would have been interesting . the way he is right nowhe is not realy worth it .
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2012/10/04 19:44:31
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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Seb wrote:Unless you want terminators as troops.
So we have 2 base Troop choices, and can unlock 5 other units as Troops, and you want more? Give me a break.
Makumba wrote:high cost elite units with +3sv without crusader LR to transport them are very bad . now if abadon made terminators troops too , it would have been interesting . the way he is right nowhe is not realy worth it .
Right because 18pts is high cost and we really need a Land Raider to transport them, as if we don't already have Land Raider that could fit a whole unit and as if their purpose isn't to take 5 Plasma Guns and fry everything to pieces  People seem to get this notion that to make most units work they need to be able to make it to assault, or rather a false notion I should say. Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
BTW, if high cost elite units with 3+ saves are bad without going in Land Raiders, go talk to a few Grey Knights players; you might learn something. Then go talk to their regular opponents; you might something more.
As for the assertion that Abaddon and Chosen aren't worth it, go around to a few local stores and ask all the Marine players how they would feel about two units of Chosen with 10 Plasma Guns between them bearing down on them with Prefered Enemy.
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2012/10/04 19:56:37
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Lesser Daemon of Chaos
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Kharn strikes at I5 with Gorechild, being Str6 and Ap2.
Kharn and his unit pass Deny the Witch tests on 2+ and he is immune to the ID effect of a Force Weapon.
He also now comes with the rule Hatred (Everything!) meaning that he rerolls all hits in the first round of a close combat, heavily mitigating the Betrayer rule and making him a much safer HQ choice.
Abaddon is the same with two exceptions.
He now comes with a Warlord Trait called Black Crusader, which provides a 12" Preferred Enemy (Space Marines) bubble. Which. Is. HUGE.
Also, Drach'nyen and the Talon of Horus have been divorced. He no longer makes 4+1d6 attacks I6 at str 8. Now it's one or the other.
Drach'nyen is Daemon Weapon, +1 str Ap2.
Talon is x2 Str, ap 3, Shred.
Both still strike at Initiative 6.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/10/04 19:57:12
"Better have one flexible neck to be making that shot," Bob said.
"You only assume the Balefire is coming out of his mouth, Bob. In my world, the Heldrake is pooping daemonic fire on your troops as it jets away from their mangled and now burning corpses." -John
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2012/10/04 20:12:29
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Do Havoc lascannons still cost 35 points?
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2012/10/04 20:13:19
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
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2012/10/05 09:37:13
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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The book sucks plain and simple in my opinion, almost no change and in other areas worse...waited 5 years for disappointment.
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Games Workshop: Ruining Chaos Space Marines since 2007
First they raised prices on the Eldar, and I did not speak out because I did not play Eldar.
Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.
Then, they raised prices on the Nids, and I did not speak out because I did not play Nids.
Then, they raised prices on the Marines, and there was nobody to speak out for me. |
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2012/10/05 10:08:43
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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 Spartan089 wrote:The book sucks plain and simple in my opinion, almost no change and in other areas worse...waited 5 years for disappointment.
Would you mind backing that claim up? Because that's objectively not true at all.
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2012/10/05 10:10:59
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Spartan089 wrote:The book sucks plain and simple in my opinion, almost no change and in other areas worse...waited 5 years for disappointment.
Are you for real? EVERY SINGLE UNIT IN THE BLOODY BOOK HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!
cult units, change.
New units.
Additional new upgrades FOR EVERY UNIT.
whats worst?
Yeah, sure the havoc are kinda expensive with flakk missiles, and defilers and land raiders aren't good anymore, but hey we got badass noise marines, MASTERY LEVEL 4 AHRIMAN, chosen as troops, and a feth load of other great things!
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2012/10/05 10:13:48
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Furious Raptor
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Aren't a five man squad of plasma gun wielding chosen dead now that the champion can't take a plasmagun?
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2012/10/05 10:18:52
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Daemonic Dreadnought
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Are Defiler bad now? From i had read hear they got a bump in price but also gained Daemon, it Will not Die and Daemonforge.
So they are a LOT more survivable now. Especially sicne you can give them powerscourges in addition to their power fists which ( i think) reduce the WS or models in b2b - making the Defiler harder to hit.
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2012/10/05 10:23:28
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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They aren't bad, they're just not as good. If your opponent focussed any real amount of firepower, they'd drop fairly quickly.
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:In the grim darkness of the far future, the guy with a rifle is the weakest man on the battlefield, left to quake in terror, hoping the two or three shots he gets do the job before somebody runs screaming across the battlefield to hit him with an energized stick.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/440996.page
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2012/10/05 10:36:14
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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What makes LRs worse? Are they just underpowered compared to Forgefiends?
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2012/10/05 11:00:02
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Oberstleutnant
Back in the English morass
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AL-PiXeL01 wrote:Aren't a five man squad of plasma gun wielding chosen dead now that the champion can't take a plasmagun?
No, you can take 5 PGs and a combi plasma now.
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The prefect example of someone missing the point.
Do not underestimate the Squats. They survived for millenia cut off from the Imperium and assailed on all sides. Their determination and resilience is an example to us all.
-Leman Russ, Meditations on Imperial Command book XVI (AKA the RT era White Dwarf Commpendium).
Its just a shame that they couldn't fight off Andy Chambers.
Warzone Plog |
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2012/10/05 11:29:11
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Ferocious Black Templar Castellan
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 Deadshot wrote:What makes LRs worse? Are they just underpowered compared to Forgefiends?
They're 10 points more expensive.
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2012/10/05 11:49:27
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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*phew*
CSMs can still get a CCW for free if they replace their Bolter. Thank Khorne... I was worried that I'd have to pay 2 points per model for a dinky CCW.
It still doesn't fix the stupid Terminator weapon problem. And I can't figure out what makes Land Raiders worth 230 points...
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2012/10/05 11:51:30
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Fixture of Dakka
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But otherwise unchanged and more fragile due to Hull Points?
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- Roboute Guilliman
"As I recall, your face was tortured. Imagine that - the Master of the Wolves, his ferocity twisted into grief. And yet you still carried out your duty. You always did what was asked of you. So loyal. So tenacious. Truly you were the attack dog of the Emperor. You took no pleasure in what you did. I knew that then, and I know it now. But all things change, my brother. I'm not the same as I was, and you're... well, let us not mention where you are now."
- Magnus the Red, to a statue of Leman Russ
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2012/10/05 11:53:52
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Crazed Spirit of the Defiler
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 AlmightyWalrus wrote: Spartan089 wrote:The book sucks plain and simple in my opinion, almost no change and in other areas worse...waited 5 years for disappointment.
Would you mind backing that claim up? Because that's objectively not true at all.
No new independent characters, points increase's to a few units including massive increases for Daemon Princes and defilers, Khorne Bersekers are now practically useless, Thousand sons still over priced, inability to take an unmarked prince, loss of infiltrate for chosen, loss of ccw's in profile of csm's, (have to buy em now...), Oblits losing the ability to form a ccw, losing fearless AND cant use the same weapon twice in a row....
Daemon Prince losing eternal warrior
Terminator champions have only 2 attacks
Chosen champions have only 2 attacks
Thats to name just a few...
As for the new stuff
Hell drake over costed (and the kit too...), Dark apostles mediocre at best, not worth the points just to make a single unit fearless, Forgefiend and Maulerfiend while fast are easily shredded in this format. Cultist are cheap but have next to no options.
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Games Workshop: Ruining Chaos Space Marines since 2007
First they raised prices on the Eldar, and I did not speak out because I did not play Eldar.
Then, they raised prices on the Orks, and I did not speak out because I did not play Orks.
Then, they raised prices on the Nids, and I did not speak out because I did not play Nids.
Then, they raised prices on the Marines, and there was nobody to speak out for me. |
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2012/10/05 12:04:33
Subject: CSM RULES OUT
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Owns Whole Set of Skullz Techpriests
Versteckt in den Schatten deines Geistes.
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Where do you get that from?
You can get 'em for free by replacing your bolter.
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