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The Reserves sound kinda cool

I could see Air Castes opening up allied races, messing with other peoples reserve rolls, or maybe not having to take an allied "HQ" and just being able to take 2 troops.

The new rules open up lots of options, although I assume that is all mostly wish listing at this point.

I kinda hope that we see air caste models piloting the fliers at least. In fact to see all the castes playing their part in a battle would be cool.

But I personally don't like the idea of auxiliaries/allies dependance. Let it be available to those who want it, but don't make the army depend on it. Some of us enjoy playing pure Tau.

 Archonate wrote:
I kinda hope that we see air caste models piloting the fliers at least. In fact to see all the castes playing their part in a battle would be cool.

But I personally don't like the idea of auxiliaries/allies dependance. Let it be available to those who want it, but don't make the army depend on it. Some of us enjoy playing pure Tau.

I'm sure that if there are any actual manned Tau aircraft, the pilots will be air caste members, just like the FW flyers. Granted, I have a feeling that there will also be drone aircraft as well.

I agree with you on the allies issue in terms of having a viable Tau-only force, but I think having some sort of enhanced allies functionality would be very fluffy for the Tau. I'm very anxious to see where they go with things in the new Codex.

I'll be so disappointed if the Barracuda isn't added as the flyer. The model has always been my favorite from the FW Tau line, I do hope it's inducted into the standard Tau line and doesn't go the way of the Dodo. If it does, I'll just have to buy it to turn it into a sexy paperweight.

Xyrael wrote:
I'll be so disappointed if the Barracuda isn't added as the flyer. The model has always been my favorite from the FW Tau line, I do hope it's inducted into the standard Tau line and doesn't go the way of the Dodo. If it does, I'll just have to buy it to turn it into a sexy paperweight.

Forgeworld models don't get turned plastic very often. I'd have loved to see the Helltalon instead of the Heldrake, and I assume that Tau will get a wholly new aircraft over anything from Forgeworld.

Yeah, it's a bit frustrating. FW sometimes has very nice stuff, and GW just wastes it. GW could've taken the Helltalon as a Chaos flyer and taken the time to instead remake the CSM and Havocs, but nooo. Some stupid transformer is what they get instead.

At least it'll take them some effort to make a bad looking Tau vehicle.

Antipathy from Warseer wrote:I have heard that there is a new unit for the Kroot in all areas to make them potentially viable - the old trackers (elite cavalry with sniper rifles), vultures (fast attack jump infantry), and ridden kroot monsters previously from fw.I

dont know how strong the initial source is, but they are reasonably accurate.

so Kroothawk might get a model?

 Brother SRM wrote:

Xyrael wrote:
I'll be so disappointed if the Barracuda isn't added as the flyer. The model has always been my favorite from the FW Tau line, I do hope it's inducted into the standard Tau line and doesn't go the way of the Dodo. If it does, I'll just have to buy it to turn it into a sexy paperweight.

Forgeworld models don't get turned plastic very often. I'd have loved to see the Helltalon instead of the Heldrake, and I assume that Tau will get a wholly new aircraft over anything from Forgeworld.

Remember that everything new in the 4th edition codex except for Space Pope and plastic stealth suits were from Forgeworld. Tau are right next to Witch Hunters on the "Bare minimum effort" list.

Shadow Strike, Vespids, Sniper Drones

RogueRegault wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

Xyrael wrote:
I'll be so disappointed if the Barracuda isn't added as the flyer. The model has always been my favorite from the FW Tau line, I do hope it's inducted into the standard Tau line and doesn't go the way of the Dodo. If it does, I'll just have to buy it to turn it into a sexy paperweight.

Forgeworld models don't get turned plastic very often. I'd have loved to see the Helltalon instead of the Heldrake, and I assume that Tau will get a wholly new aircraft over anything from Forgeworld.

Remember that everything new in the 4th edition codex except for Space Pope and plastic stealth suits were from Forgeworld. Tau are right next to Witch Hunters on the "Bare minimum effort" list.

That was also a long time ago; GW don't co-opt FW stuff very often anymore.

Any possibility that the tau broadsides will get the same treatment that the necron heavy destroyers got (simply being an upgrade to a crisis battle suit squad)?

I don't think so. Broadsides don't have jump jets, have different armor, and generally don't want to be anywhere near the ranges Crisis suits excel at.

 Brother SRM wrote:
I don't think so. Broadsides don't have jump jets, have different armor, and generally don't want to be anywhere near the ranges Crisis suits excel at.

At this point I kind of want to see them go the opposite route and make the Broadsides an entirely separate model rather than an upgrade kit.

Although I wouldn't object to a König Monster style Broadside that could forgo shooting to jump to another location on the battlefield.

Having just picked up a couple of the finecast broadside upgrade kits...


....I think I'll be buying my broadsides from FW from now on.

 Brother SRM wrote:

RogueRegault wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

Xyrael wrote:
I'll be so disappointed if the Barracuda isn't added as the flyer. The model has always been my favorite from the FW Tau line, I do hope it's inducted into the standard Tau line and doesn't go the way of the Dodo. If it does, I'll just have to buy it to turn it into a sexy paperweight.

Forgeworld models don't get turned plastic very often. I'd have loved to see the Helltalon instead of the Heldrake, and I assume that Tau will get a wholly new aircraft over anything from Forgeworld.

Remember that everything new in the 4th edition codex except for Space Pope and plastic stealth suits were from Forgeworld. Tau are right next to Witch Hunters on the "Bare minimum effort" list.

That was also a long time ago; GW don't co-opt FW stuff very often anymore.

I wouldn't discount it, either, especially since GW and FW are seemingly now working closer together than ever. Honestly, if they were to include all the Tau units/options (non-Apocalypse, that is) from FW into the new Tau codex, and tweak the rules and models for some of the existing units, we'd be doing pretty well. I know we all like the "Ooooh, shiny!" factor of brand-new units/models, and there are many who are frothing at the mouth to jack up the power of the Tau, but we don't really need all of that. I don't want Tau to be the 5th ed. GK reincarnated and be spammed by WAAC players or TFGs, because I don't want to be grouped with those folks.
Even though I lose as much as I win with my Tau, they can win, even against top tier armies. The problem is, your strategy must be flawless and you can't botch many rolls, as they are one of the most unforgiving armies. I just don't want to see Tau be turned into something called OP or cheesy. What I really want is a balanced, mid-tier army, with new, recut sprues and a handful of new shinies, and I think that FW has most of that to offer.

You really shouldn't want FW models included in the codex. FW have an agreement with the studio that they won't update rules for anything the studio includes in a studio publication - this is why we're stuck with the heriophant referencing psychic powers and biomorphs from the 4th edition Tyranid codex and have updated rules for the Scythed Heirodule but not the Barbed Heirodule. GW included the Heirophant and Barbed Heirodule in Apocalypse, so FW can't touch the rules, and GW can't be bothered updating the rules.

This is not a situation you want to be in with units in the codex. While GW might leave Tau to stew for another 2 editions, FW can update their stuff (and have! The new Tetra rules are quite nice) independantly as long as they don't get thrown in a GW publication.

Only thing I am interested in here - any news of Space Dwarves????!!!11!!! ?

I know ghost21 was discredited as being a fraud, but was there any chance his rumours of Demiurg were true? Or are we just going to see a bunch of new Playmobil-esque flyers again??

See first post:

Stickmonkey wrote:I also checked into the demiurge rumors, and was told "There are no demiurge in the Tau codex."

Make of that what you want.

 Micky wrote:
Having just picked up a couple of the finecast broadside upgrade kits...


....I think I'll be buying my broadsides from FW from now on.

You got those?
My store cant get any of mine, I ended up getting a refund. Got more fire warriors and turned the Suit i bought into a crisis.

 hotsauceman1 wrote:

 Micky wrote:
Having just picked up a couple of the finecast broadside upgrade kits...


....I think I'll be buying my broadsides from FW from now on.

You got those?
My store cant get any of mine, I ended up getting a refund. Got more fire warriors and turned the Suit i bought into a crisis.

It took about 6 weeks to arrive and frankly my 10 year old paint stripped second hand metal one looks better. The finecast kit is utter rubbish (and btw, no flaws either, its just crap)

When you consider that, postage aside, a FW broadside costs roughly the same as a GW crisis suit + broadside kit.... getting an upgrade kit was pretty dumb.

 -Loki- wrote:
You really shouldn't want FW models included in the codex. FW have an agreement with the studio that they won't update rules for anything the studio includes in a studio publication - this is why we're stuck with the heriophant referencing psychic powers and biomorphs from the 4th edition Tyranid codex and have updated rules for the Scythed Heirodule but not the Barbed Heirodule. GW included the Heirophant and Barbed Heirodule in Apocalypse, so FW can't touch the rules, and GW can't be bothered updating the rules.

This is not a situation you want to be in with units in the codex. While GW might leave Tau to stew for another 2 editions, FW can update their stuff (and have! The new Tetra rules are quite nice) independantly as long as they don't get thrown in a GW publication.

If they do it like with the Tyranids codex (Trygon, Mawloc) then it is great. The units go to core game, and stay updated which I think is were every on is going with wanting the FW included. The rumors look like a lot of FW or at least FW inspired units are the new ones for the codex.

Well if they;re grabbing FW stuff....

Stuff that makes sense:
- Tetra
- Piranha variant
- Hammerhead Turrets (tho we know they wont)
- Hazard Suits
- Barracuda
- Remora
- Knarloc Riders

But what about Commander Farsight?

He hates dem allies (No kroot or auxilliaries for him!)

So Tau would have to have at least one pure 'Tau' list for Farsight/

Im expecting Alot of different Characters for them.
All I want is for Crisis Suits to be made T5, or Monsterous creatures.

They would be the first monstrous creatures with a 2" base and I doubt they will get T5. In fact, i can't see them changing any stats except BS, A or Ld. They're pretty good as they are anyway so I wouldn't complain.

Original playtesting for crisis suits had them with 3 wounds, but it was considered too powerful. I agree MC status is too far for a regular suit. The issue with crisis has always been ID - especially from the horribly ubiquitous krak missile.

 troy_tempest wrote:
Original playtesting for crisis suits had them with 3 wounds, but it was considered too powerful. I agree MC status is too far for a regular suit. The issue with crisis has always been ID - especially from the horribly ubiquitous krak missile.

This. Krak Missiles are our bane. Cheap and easy to spam in Marine lists of almost all flavours and they completely nullify the 2 wounds of our suits with no armour save.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
This. Krak Missiles are our bane. Cheap and easy to spam in Marine lists of almost all flavours and they completely nullify the 2 wounds of our suits with no armour save.

And every Tyranid Warrior in the cosmos cries out:

"Yeah... and? 'Least you can withstand Heavy Bolter fire."

 Roleplayer wrote:
But what about Commander Farsight?

He hates dem allies (No kroot or auxilliaries for him!)

So Tau would have to have at least one pure 'Tau' list for Farsight/

If Dark Eldar can ally with Chaos Daemons, giving you an army that contains Slaaneshi Daemons and Harlequins at the same time... then I really doubt Farsight has much of a claim to 'pure' armies.