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Black Knight wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
In terms of game stats at least, if Kharn gets off a charge against Thraka (most likely scenario), in a challenge Kharn will inflict 3.8 wounds on Thraka at I5 through his Invul save, killing him 4 times out of 5 before he can respond. If Thraka lives, his Klaw likely crushed Kharn, but only through ID, inflicting only an average of 1.388 wounds.

Hitting on 2's with rerolls and wounding on 2's with an AP2 weapon and 7 attacks is a hilarious thing.

Against Lucius, Kharn, through his "I hit on 2's and get rerolls in the first round of CC" rule and higher Strength, will generally inflict wounds at about a 2-1 ratio against Lucius.

You clearly don't know Ghazzy's rules he can declare the waaagh at any time... even during Kharn's charge and his 2+ armor becomes invulnerable.... so no he'd be luck to cause 2 wounds to Ghazzy. Only through sheer bad rolls woudld Ghazzy die to Kharn. Please learn rules before saying something silly.

Let's see... So Kharn charges. That's 7 S7 attacks. He hits on 2s, so let's say that he gets 5/7 hits on average. Because of Hatred, he gets to reroll, so presumably he'll hit with all 7 attacks. That's S7 vs T5, so wounds on 2s. That's 5 wounds. If Ghaz has already used Waaagh, then he's boned. If he hasn't, which we'll assume for the sake of this battle, then he'll take 1 or 2 wounds. The next round, he can hit Kharn and kill him instantly because of instant death.

Precisely, thank you.

That is all assuming Kharn does not make his invulnerable save(s), which is still possible. "If" he does, then gaz (should be) dead next round of combat. I say in the grand scheme of things, its a 50/50 shot between the two. Only because Kharn can put an average of 3-5 wounds on Gaz, who in turn can put on average 1-2 wounds on Kharn, who in turn has a 1 in 3 chance on each to survive. And we cant forget that this is also based on if you are using quality (casino style) dice that roll evenly, instead of those chessex dice that have a slightly higher percentage chance of rolling 1s then each other number...

Of all the characters in the 6th Ed Chaos Codex, I expected Kharn to be the most likely candidate for Eternal Warrior. He survived being impaled on a Land Raider, and being killed during the Siege of Terra. You could at least make him immune to common forms of instant death for being extremely hard to kill.


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 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
One on one in close combat.

I find it interesting that you bring up Lelith Hesperax. I ask you: What has she done? She's killed nameless Space Marines. So has Kharn, and in far greater numbers. She frankly suffers from the same problems Kharn does: All hype, nothing to justify it. Frankly, she even has substantially less hype than Kharn does, and Kharn at least has one decentish feat (He survived a beating from Angron, though admittedly Angron could have killed him at any time).

Everyone.

Huh. Just out of curiosity, I'm gonna compare tabletop stats (which aren't an accurate representation of fluff). Say Lelith charges. She gets 8 attacks. Hitting on 3+, 6 will hit (being generous and rounding up). S3 vs T4, so 2 of those 6 attacks will wound. Kharn will use his invul save, and save one of them if he's lucky. Kharn attacks back with 5 S6 attacks. Hitting on 2+, and then rerolling misses because of Hatred means that on average, Kharn will hit with all 5 attacks. These wound on 2+, so say that 4 wound. Lelith gets her 3+ invul, which means that she'll save 3, being generous. S6 vs T3, so instant death applies, and Lelith loses.

If Kharn charges, it's just even more in his favor.

 BudForTheBeerGod wrote:
That is all assuming Kharn does not make his invulnerable save(s), which is still possible. "If" he does, then gaz (should be) dead next round of combat. I say in the grand scheme of things, its a 50/50 shot between the two. Only because Kharn can put an average of 3-5 wounds on Gaz, who in turn can put on average 1-2 wounds on Kharn, who in turn has a 1 in 3 chance on each to survive. And we cant forget that this is also based on if you are using quality (casino style) dice that roll evenly, instead of those chessex dice that have a slightly higher percentage chance of rolling 1s then each other number...

Wrong, Ghaz has 7 attacks like kharn on the charge and hits on 4+ which means 4 hits on the charge and 2+ wounds and approximately 2-3 failures by kharn any of which kill him. it isn't a 1/3 it is simple math that he loses in most situations thus he is considered weaker. Yes he can win but so can a genestealer.


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Black Knight wrote:
Of all the characters in the 6th Ed Chaos Codex, I expected Kharn to be the most likely candidate for Eternal Warrior. He survived being impaled on a Land Raider, and being killed during the Siege of Terra. You could at least make him immune to common forms of instant death for being extremely hard to kill.

Cause Khrone is all about people defying death.

No Sorry Chaos doesn't get eternal warrior because the Chaos gods want to collect on their followers I agree with only 1 model getting it, Abaddon Horus' clone and champion of all chaos.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

 BudForTheBeerGod wrote:
That is all assuming Kharn does not make his invulnerable save(s), which is still possible. "If" he does, then gaz (should be) dead next round of combat. I say in the grand scheme of things, its a 50/50 shot between the two. Only because Kharn can put an average of 3-5 wounds on Gaz, who in turn can put on average 1-2 wounds on Kharn, who in turn has a 1 in 3 chance on each to survive. And we cant forget that this is also based on if you are using quality (casino style) dice that roll evenly, instead of those chessex dice that have a slightly higher percentage chance of rolling 1s then each other number...

Wrong, Ghaz has 7 attacks like kharn on the charge and hits on 4+ which means 4 hits on the charge and 2+ wounds and approximately 2-3 failures by kharn any of which kill him. it isn't a 1/3 it is simple math that he loses in most situations thus he is considered weaker. Yes he can win but so can a genestealer.


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Black Knight wrote:
Of all the characters in the 6th Ed Chaos Codex, I expected Kharn to be the most likely candidate for Eternal Warrior. He survived being impaled on a Land Raider, and being killed during the Siege of Terra. You could at least make him immune to common forms of instant death for being extremely hard to kill.

Cause Khrone is all about people defying death.

No Sorry Chaos doesn't get eternal warrior because the Chaos gods want to collect on their followers I agree with only 1 model getting it, Abaddon Horus' clone and champion of all chaos.

Presumably, Khorne raised Kharn from the dead during the Siege of Terra. It was either that, or Kharn simply couldn't be killed.

Why the hell are you guys arguing tabletop stats?

Seriously, you guys are in the wrong freaking forum for that.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
Cause Khrone is all about people defying death.

No Sorry Chaos doesn't get eternal warrior because the Chaos gods want to collect on their followers I agree with only 1 model getting it, Abaddon Horus' clone and champion of all chaos.

Have you read Kharn's fluff? His entire thing pre-betrayer was getting "killed" and then miraculously surviving. Well, that and being Angron's anger counselor.

Khorne will keep a champion around if that champion is doing a bloody good job of spilling blood.

That's waht he has the skulltaker for.

 Melissia wrote:
That's waht he has the skulltaker for.

He needs to get into the realspace by summoning and all the stuff like that.
Kharn does not, he simply flies around in a big red brass ship loaded with skulls.

Well, he would, if he ever actually got involved in any notable battles since the horus heresy.

1068SCP wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
Cause Khrone is all about people defying death.

No Sorry Chaos doesn't get eternal warrior because the Chaos gods want to collect on their followers I agree with only 1 model getting it, Abaddon Horus' clone and champion of all chaos.

Have you read Kharn's fluff? His entire thing pre-betrayer was getting "killed" and then miraculously surviving. Well, that and being Angron's anger counselor.

Khorne will keep a champion around if that champion is doing a bloody good job of spilling blood.

Yes I have, and you are confusing Divine ressurection with being tough enough to take a kannon to the face and continue moving, Who does things like that.... lets see....

Abaddon

Ghazzy

Pheniox Lords

Very Select Chapter Masters

Technically (and I could be wrong) No necron to my knowledge has Eternal Warrior the guys most renowned for avoiding death in the first place...

*eternal warrior* is fluffy, it represents things like Ghazzy taking a Emperor Class Warlord Titan's weaponry and living to tell the tale, It' Yarrick Taking a headbutt from a 40 ton terror like Ghazzy's Admantium skull and still finding the moxy to survive. Kharn has "survived" but only because when he dies Khorne is impressed and goes ahead and makes a contract with him to continue his slaughter. Like Abaddon made his deal with the Chaos Lord of Dawn of War. It's magic, demonic possession or wutever you want to say. Kharn the Man isn't tough enough to survive the things Eternal warriors do - end of story for that one. I Still think Abaddon is the best candidate for being so full of chaos power that he couldn't possibly be mortally wounded even by someone like Ghaz.

This isn't fanboyism this is sheer fluff facts, A rhino's dozer blade isn't lethal to the majority of the candidates I just mentioned, it apparently was to Kharn the ever-emo kid brushing with death ...oh but not really

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Kharn the Man isn't tough enough to survive the things Eternal warriors do - end of story for that one. I Still think Abaddon is the best candidate for being so full of chaos power that he couldn't possibly be mortally wounded even by someone like Ghaz.

This isn't fanboyism this is sheer fluff facts, A rhino's dozer blade isn't lethal to the majority of the candidates I just mentioned, it apparently was to Kharn the ever-emo kid brushing with death ...oh but not really

Kharn has only died once, and that was at the Seige of Terra at the top of a mound of bodies. The dozer blade didn't kill him but merely got him away from Loken.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:Kharn the Man isn't tough enough to survive the things Eternal warriors do - end of story for that one. I Still think Abaddon is the best candidate for being so full of chaos power that he couldn't possibly be mortally wounded even by someone like Ghaz.

This isn't fanboyism this is sheer fluff facts, A rhino's dozer blade isn't lethal to the majority of the candidates I just mentioned, it apparently was to Kharn the ever-emo kid brushing with death ...oh but not really

Kharn has only died once, and that was at the Seige of Terra at the top of a mound of bodies. The dozer blade didn't kill him but merely got him away from Loken.

Kharn's fluff is written so vaguely that sometimes i swear he has to be written by an emo-fangirl "and then he died... lawl not really silly but his blood was everywhere and he blacked out."

I am not trying to hate I am just saying it's aggervating when you read his fluff cause you never figure out nor do they say when he dies and when he doesn't instead you get this monotonous tone of fights till he is thought dead on all biorythmic scales... then stands up and does a jig for chaos.

IMO he has died alot, but being of chaos and Khorne's greatest champion he is still worth something to khrone more alive than dead thus he is ressed so damn frequently.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

I am not trying to hate I am just saying it's aggervating when you read his fluff cause you never figure out nor do they say when he dies and when he doesn't instead you get this monotonous tone of fights till he is thought dead on all biorythmic scales... then stands up and does a jig for chaos.

I've never read anything like that about Kharn.

IMO he has died alot, but being of chaos and Khorne's greatest champion he is still worth something to khrone more alive than dead thus he is ressed so damn frequently.

According to Lexicanum (which attributes it to the 4th Edition Chaos Codex), and I'm pretty sure I've read it elsewhere, he's never come so close to dying as at the Seige of Terra.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
*eternal warrior* is fluffy, it represents things like Ghazzy taking a Emperor Class Warlord Titan's weaponry and living to tell the tale,

When?

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
*eternal warrior* is fluffy, it represents things like Ghazzy taking a Emperor Class Warlord Titan's weaponry and living to tell the tale,

When?

I think he was just using hyperbole to express how tough Ghaz is. There's no way anything that moves on two feet and isn't a titan in 40k can take a Titan's weaponry and live.

I imagine Kharns style being like Banes in the dark knight rises Brutal but precise aggression

Nice to see this swinging off topic again

Also as far as the Dozer Blades go, as far as we were led to believe Kharn was dead or at the very least so severly injured he was as close to death as you probably could be (being a badass marine and all).

Kharn doesn't have eternal warrior, meaning that while he may not be able to survive everything that may befall him, Khorne has decided however to give him a boon of unatural resurrection/extended life.

Kharn in terms of the loyalist forces, has no direct equal, but there are some who could give him a run for his money or destroy him outright, like those mentioned earlier, (Dante etc.), but this question is pretty hard to answer one as we have no direct proof or examples of Kharn fighting other legendary or special characters.

In terms of my fanboyism however, no one is beating Kharn in a one on one, unless Chaos decides to duplicate Kharn in which case it's a draw.... or Kharn wins.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
*eternal warrior* is fluffy, it represents things like Ghazzy taking a Emperor Class Warlord Titan's weaponry and living to tell the tale,

When?

actually no, it's a bit of an assumption i won't lie but in our codex Ghazzy spray painted a ruined Warlord class emperor titan on the planet of Piscina IV which was a Dark Angels forge Factory world. If I am not mistaken it is the planet that Ghazzy starts his Waaagh on so he can produce enough arms , weapons and ammo to support the Waaagh on Armageddon. I am just assuming things here but with a logical assumption that in Ork society an Ork owns what he kills and if it is dead killy enough they would fight for the prestige of saying they took it down. Ghazzy writes a whole damn speech on this thing to address the Imperium before sending Yarrick back to warn the Imperium (...like a moron lol) In my opinion Ghazzy would have had to have been shot at or at the very least sunk his power klaw into the beast. It just wouldn't make sense for him to boast as much as he did on the graffiti and not to have had some hand in it's destruction personally ya know?

either way it's not substantial evidence or anything but if you are interested it is the flavor text of Ork Codex pg. 91 I'd right it up... but typing orky accents verbatim is a tad aggravating at times


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 Rysaer wrote:
Nice to see this swinging off topic again

Also as far as the Dozer Blades go, as far as we were led to believe Kharn was dead or at the very least so severly injured he was as close to death as you probably could be (being a badass marine and all).

Kharn doesn't have eternal warrior, meaning that while he may not be able to survive everything that may befall him, Khorne has decided however to give him a boon of unatural resurrection/extended life.

Kharn in terms of the loyalist forces, has no direct equal, but there are some who could give him a run for his money or destroy him outright, like those mentioned earlier, (Dante etc.), but this question is pretty hard to answer one as we have no direct proof or examples of Kharn fighting other legendary or special characters.

In terms of my fanboyism however, no one is beating Kharn in a one on one, unless Chaos decides to duplicate Kharn in which case it's a draw.... or Kharn wins.

agreed with all points but i would say fanboyism is completely perspective, so to say kharn wins from popular vote... i dunno >.> doesn't sound right. Don't get me wrong he is iconic as many of the people in 40k are i just dunno about popularity or zealotry ... orks have some pretty derp fanboyz, same with marines lol

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
*eternal warrior* is fluffy, it represents things like Ghazzy taking a Emperor Class Warlord Titan's weaponry and living to tell the tale,

When?

actually no, it's a bit of an assumption i won't lie but in our codex Ghazzy spray painted a ruined Warlord class emperor titan on the planet of Piscina IV which was a Dark Angels forge Factory world. If I am not mistaken it is the planet that Ghazzy starts his Waaagh on so he can produce enough arms , weapons and ammo to support the Waaagh on Armageddon. I am just assuming things here but with a logical assumption that in Ork society an Ork owns what he kills and if it is dead killy enough they would fight for the prestige of saying they took it down. Ghazzy writes a whole damn speech on this thing to address the Imperium before sending Yarrick back to warn the Imperium (...like a moron lol) In my opinion Ghazzy would have had to have been shot at or at the very least sunk his power klaw into the beast. It just wouldn't make sense for him to boast as much as he did on the graffiti and not to have had some hand in it's destruction personally ya know?

either way it's not substantial evidence or anything but if you are interested it is the flavor text of Ork Codex pg. 91 I'd right it up... but typing orky accents verbatim is a tad aggravating at times

Or, you know, he grafitti'd it because it was a huge Titan and a symbol of Imperial power? Also, Warlord Titans aren't Emperor-class Titans, only Imperators and Warmongers are.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
*eternal warrior* is fluffy, it represents things like Ghazzy taking a Emperor Class Warlord Titan's weaponry and living to tell the tale,

When?

actually no, it's a bit of an assumption i won't lie but in our codex Ghazzy spray painted a ruined Warlord class emperor titan on the planet of Piscina IV which was a Dark Angels forge Factory world. If I am not mistaken it is the planet that Ghazzy starts his Waaagh on so he can produce enough arms , weapons and ammo to support the Waaagh on Armageddon. I am just assuming things here but with a logical assumption that in Ork society an Ork owns what he kills and if it is dead killy enough they would fight for the prestige of saying they took it down. Ghazzy writes a whole damn speech on this thing to address the Imperium before sending Yarrick back to warn the Imperium (...like a moron lol) In my opinion Ghazzy would have had to have been shot at or at the very least sunk his power klaw into the beast. It just wouldn't make sense for him to boast as much as he did on the graffiti and not to have had some hand in it's destruction personally ya know?

either way it's not substantial evidence or anything but if you are interested it is the flavor text of Ork Codex pg. 91 I'd right it up... but typing orky accents verbatim is a tad aggravating at times

Or, you know, he grafitti'd it because it was a huge Titan and a symbol of Imperial power? Also, Warlord Titans aren't Emperor-class Titans, only Imperators and Warmongers are.

Yep just double checked it, sorry for the misquote bad info from my Loyalist roomie. I'd say we'll never know if Ghazzy did get shot or or did attack it but the way the rules go he could very easily take on a titan by himself for an incredibly limited amount of time. Yet that is still impressive in and of itself... abaddon would probably do better. I only say it's possible because of Wazdakka's ability to have taken one down himself WHILE ON FIRE so ... *shrug* just saying it's totally possible and i would says 50/50 with Ghazzy that he got involved with it before it's demise

but again, the point is it's possible with rules and comparative fluff/plot levels

 Melissia wrote:
Well, he would, if he ever actually got involved in any notable battles since the horus heresy.

He was in a very notable battle.

Only issue is that it wasn't a battle against the Imperium.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
Yes I have, and you are confusing Divine ressurection with being tough enough to take a kannon to the face and continue moving, Who does things like that.... lets see....

Abaddon

Ghazzy

Pheniox Lords

Very Select Chapter Masters

Well, actually, now that you put it that way, you're right that Kharn doesn't really need Eternal Warrior; Eternal Warrior is really just a miscellaneous rule that makes no sense and was only put in to buff a few specific characters. Otherwise, pretty much every Deamon Prince would have Eternal Warrior.

It's really just http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation" target="_new" rel="nofollow">Gameplay and Story Segregation.

I do know of one Space Marine that will kill Kharn on the table top everytime they meet.....the Space Wolf Lukas the Trickster.

Sure, Lukas will die every time they meet but then the Stasis Bomb he has in his chest goes off and takes Kharn with him. Sorry Kharn, no more skulls for you.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
actually no, it's a bit of an assumption i won't lie but in our codex Ghazzy spray painted a ruined Warlord class emperor titan on the planet of Piscina IV which was a Dark Angels forge Factory world. If I am not mistaken it is the planet that Ghazzy starts his Waaagh on so he can produce enough arms , weapons and ammo to support the Waaagh on Armageddon. I am just assuming things here but with a logical assumption that in Ork society an Ork owns what he kills and if it is dead killy enough they would fight for the prestige of saying they took it down. Ghazzy writes a whole damn speech on this thing to address the Imperium before sending Yarrick back to warn the Imperium (...like a moron lol) In my opinion Ghazzy would have had to have been shot at or at the very least sunk his power klaw into the beast. It just wouldn't make sense for him to boast as much as he did on the graffiti and not to have had some hand in it's destruction personally ya know?

either way it's not substantial evidence or anything but if you are interested it is the flavor text of Ork Codex pg. 91 I'd right it up... but typing orky accents verbatim is a tad aggravating at times

So you made it up.

Kk.

And Wazdakka's fluff is stupid by the way. The only reason he gets a pass but guys like Calgar or Draigo don't seemingly being because he's an Ork.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
actually no, it's a bit of an assumption i won't lie but in our codex Ghazzy spray painted a ruined Warlord class emperor titan on the planet of Piscina IV which was a Dark Angels forge Factory world. If I am not mistaken it is the planet that Ghazzy starts his Waaagh on so he can produce enough arms , weapons and ammo to support the Waaagh on Armageddon. I am just assuming things here but with a logical assumption that in Ork society an Ork owns what he kills and if it is dead killy enough they would fight for the prestige of saying they took it down. Ghazzy writes a whole damn speech on this thing to address the Imperium before sending Yarrick back to warn the Imperium (...like a moron lol) In my opinion Ghazzy would have had to have been shot at or at the very least sunk his power klaw into the beast. It just wouldn't make sense for him to boast as much as he did on the graffiti and not to have had some hand in it's destruction personally ya know?

either way it's not substantial evidence or anything but if you are interested it is the flavor text of Ork Codex pg. 91 I'd right it up... but typing orky accents verbatim is a tad aggravating at times

So you made it up.

Kk.

And Wazdakka's fluff is stupid by the way. The only reason he gets a pass but guys like Calgar or Draigo don't seemingly being because he's an Ork.

WOAH WOAH WOAH! Better hold your tounge dude, to many ork players consider an endlessly ressing emo-girl who cuts herself blood champion who doesn't just die is pretty stupid too man... and no making things up would be saying Ghazzy lifted off the ground ans screamed till he went super sayan and blew up the planet with his foot. The reference is in our codex, the possibility is there but like THE POSSIBILITY IS THERE THAT KHARN HAS BEEN REVIVED MORE TIMES THAN ONE. Void I swear dude you really need to ease up on your comments they are hostile as hell man. Probability in the possibility of a fluff entry is no different than what a large majority of you people are doing to even determine your Champion's equal...guessing.

So please SFTU if i do the same to make a reference why Kharn shouldn't get Eternal warrior and stay the exact same way he is in rules terms or state it supports why he shouldn't have it Via Fluff as well. If you can't say something nice please don't be a jerk about it I try not to be with you.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH! Better hold your tounge dude, to many ork players consider an endlessly ressing emo-girl who cuts herself blood champion who doesn't just die is pretty stupid too man....

So essentially, you think the entire Khorne section of the fluff is stupid?

Have your own opinion then, but it's not one that many share.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
The reference is in our codex, the possibility is there but like THE POSSIBILITY IS THERE THAT KHARN HAS BEEN REVIVED MORE TIMES THAN ONE.

We have two examples of Kharn surviving injuries that should have killed him.

We have only the information that Gaz sprayed a titan, but no information on how it was ruined. For all we know, it might have been destroyed by one of Thraka's Gargants.

Right guys, it's been fun watching all the bickering but can you all calm down?

We are talking about fluff.... you know something that isn't 100% right at the best of times, that frequently changes and is open to different interpretations.

I think from what I've read, that Big Mek Wurrzog doesn't think it's stupid, he just thinks as an ork player it's silly or possibly over the top, like some Khorne players may think the same of Ork fluff. Also if you read some of the earlier posts he also shows a good amount of knowledge about Khorne so he can't think it's that stupid.

Also in terms of the Ghaz spraying the titan, fair enough he may not have wrecked it but you can be sure he and his waaagh were responsible for it. Also considering even if he didn't Big Ghaz has had more than his share of glory/destruction/awesomeness over the years.

So can we get back to the topic at hand, Kharn.... find a loyalist equivalent to face him, failing that lets just leave it here

1068SCP wrote:

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
WOAH WOAH WOAH! Better hold your tounge dude, to many ork players consider an endlessly ressing emo-girl who cuts herself blood champion who doesn't just die is pretty stupid too man....

So essentially, you think the entire Khorne section of the fluff is stupid?

Have your own opinion then, but it's not one that many share.

 Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:
The reference is in our codex, the possibility is there but like THE POSSIBILITY IS THERE THAT KHARN HAS BEEN REVIVED MORE TIMES THAN ONE.

We have two examples of Kharn surviving injuries that should have killed him.

We have only the information that Gaz sprayed a titan, but no information on how it was ruined. For all we know, it might have been destroyed by one of Thraka's Gargants.

The idea is that to others he can be seen that way. It's a bad fan-ficition when the main character is mortally wounded so much that "it should kill a lesser man" imagine watching a movie where a dude is impaled through the chest over and over falls limp and they check his pulse and the hero is like "he's dead." ...they move on through the story and suddenly that villian shows up again ready to fight albeit bloody and mad.... That is an invoking moment to represent the character of that villain as being iron clad. No imagine it happned two more times after that fight... starts to get almost humorously bad doesn't it? eventually you realize the director or writer of the plot is ruining the whole scene with this monotonous theme of death defying endurance or divine favor.

I don't hate Kharn at all, I infact really love his role in 40k as a butcher of hundreds of thousands of men. His fluff is under played for his stats and all he seems to do is fight Slaanesh's troops more than loyalists now and days. What upsets me is when I read 7 pages of people trying to say vague entries like "no one know how kharn lives from these seemingly fatal wounds" is a testament to his toughness as oppose to his God reviving him. Guess what not even the fanboyz know so making an argument for or against is fine long as the idea of certain never enters the fray it's all the person's take on the text- perspective.

So when i make a similar claim to support a view as why some people have a rule and others don't and they just want to reverse the hat to say "Oh you made that up" when the idea is completely plausible that is infuriating to me. It's a double standard and impolite as hell to be accused of making something up as opposed to trying to just say "if the speech was written maybe ghazzy fought thing personally some how or dealt some of the final blows especially since this other warboss on a warbike dove into the cockpit of the exact same class of the titan and killed it from the inside while on fire no less"

So to say my idea is stupid because a codex special character is stupid, I rebuttal that your character is stupid... see how childish a comment like that is? You can say you feel the fluff is just not consistent or show never have been possible according to whatever you like. The moment you make a base claim is the moment you undermine your position and this no longer becomes a debate about kharn or the ability of people who peer him loyalist or no it just becomes an excuse to put people down under the disguise of attacking a codex when really you are saying those things to the person instead.

Kharn'd death defying list is as written

Angron vs Kharn ...

Angron attacked Khârn as soon as he entered, and came dangerously close to killing him, but Khârn kept his composure, in such contrast to the previous officers that Angron was reluctantly impressed. Khârn swore to Angron that his refusal to fight back was not cowardice, but rather the complete awe and obedience which all of the War Hounds held for their primarch. He also managed to convince Angron that, if Angron was hungry for war, then the entire Legion was at his command, and the Crusade offered a whole galaxy worth of enemies to slaughter.[2]
Khârn succeeded where the other Captains had failed, and led his primarch to the bridge of the ship to assume command of his Legion.[2]

Istavaan III ...

During the infighting on Isstvan III, Khârn was believed killed in action while fighting Garviel Loken of the Luna Wolves, a loyalist determined to stop Horus. Khârn engaged in close combat with Loken, only to be thrown against the dozer blades of a nearby vehicle, impaling his chest. It was believed that the blow was fatal, but this proved false.[3]

Battle For Terra ...

During the culminating siege of the Imperial Palace, Khârn was at the forefront of every assault. When the battle ended with the loyalist forces victorious, Khârn lay dead upon a mound of corpses at the walls of the Inner Palace. His fellow World Eaters carried his corpse away with them as they fought their way back to their ships. Once on board they discovered that by some dark miracle, he still lived.[1a] Whether Khorne himself breathed life back into the berserker's body or whether the relentless clamour of battle revived his blood-lusting spirit remains a mystery, but since the Heresy Khârn has survived the bloodiest battles to the current age and never came so close to death again[1a].

So we have 3 easily referenced within the main history of 40k and I am sure I could find more if I wanted to dig a big deeper, the codex entries themselves say it is impossible to know one way or the other but to me... this badass is the worst written dude ever if he is getting up of his own volition and regardless has been confirmed dead a little too much for my liking even with the spontaneous nature of the warp and CSM. Luckily these things i don't normally focus on when i envision Kharn i think more about how the poor guard must cower in front of him.

Ghazzy fighting a titan and living to tell the tale vs Your Khorne Champion being more a badass than Khorn'e favorite toy both are equally possible in my book so please if you are going to say one over the other end your posts with #fanboy

Also, him getting up after being defeated confirms he was, in fact, defeated.

If we are talking about survival Ghazz survived a bullet to the head and was able to stumble to the medic not lie around complaining and this was while he was still a BOY not a warlord. I havent read the whole forum so someone may have already mentioned this.