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 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
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If your significant other showed up and said a group of guys yelled obscene things at here while walking home would you get all Liam Neeson and go beat them up for not showing a woman the utmost respect? No you'd probably try to be nice to her and say something to the effect "sorry dear some people are donkey-caves but you cant let it get to you"

When you ask these questions, you're excluding me right and really saying would a reasonable person do these things right?

 LordofHats wrote:
I can know I could be struck by lightning, but then I should know that if I drink five beers I'm gonna be a little tippy.

There is a difference between knowing things can happen and knowing they WILL happen.

I think it is fair for her to not expect someone asking to interview her to turn around and treat her like gak. This would be an example of knowing it can happen, not that it will. IF someone asks to interview me I would assume they want to, you know, interview, not that they are putting on an elaborate ruse just to mock me for their own amusement. It would be more likely for me not expect that it would happen, even though I know it can, if I had done interviews several times before and I had not been lied to about the nature of the inquiry.

The wig is in the way. Need another picture.

Edit: I guess the original link should have been my first stop. Damn.

 AustonT wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
She went to that con to be objectified

Evidence?

Exhibit A

I'm in agreement with that chick in the background...

She's hot.

Bad whembly bad, you are objectifying her. That woman is clearly just admiring her obvious intellectual prowess.

 Ahtman wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Ahtman wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
But I do believe that she was well aware that it could happen.

Anyone could be attacked at any moment, are you telling me that if a significant person in your life just showed up at your door bloodied and bruised saying they had been attacked that you would just shrug and say 'you should have been aware that it could have happened' and not be surprised at all?

She was bloodied and brusied? Violent attacks happen as often as rude words? See where Im going with this? Getting violently attacked is not at all similar to getting rudely hit on.

If your significant other showed up and said a group of guys yelled obscene things at here while walking home would you get all Liam Neeson and go beat them up for not showing a woman the utmost respect? No you'd probably try to be nice to her and say something to the effect "sorry dear some people are donkey-caves but you cant let it get to you"

What I have gathered from this thread is that you are not good at understanding analogies, and even worse at making them. Though you make a mean strawman, I give you that.

That argument isn't about violence or overreacting, but about your consistent argument that since people know it can happen it shouldn't be a surprise. We are giving examples of why it is entirely possible to know something is a possibility and still be surprised.

About ready to quit the thread as I don't really care that much and there's been good points on both sides I think, but your comparing a very rare event to a very common event. At least in my life Ive been subject to far far far more verbal abuse than physical. And its just hard for me to believe that she was actually caught unaware. And its clear that you and several others feel different.

And is any straight man here really gonna say they don't get turned on by attractive women in skimpy clothes? That a full Costco sweatsuit elicits the same response in your brain as a bikini?
The only problem is when you act on those impulses in an obscene way.

I can see where she keeps her prowess.

AustonT wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
Obvious outcomes are obvious.

This isn't a moral argument. Also, your comparison is still poor. It seems to me you're saying that the woman went to the con in order to be sexually harassed.

She went to that con to be objectified, she got treated like an object. Cue end credits.

No. She went to that con dressed in an A+ Black Cat costume, ripped from the pages of a comic book. She obviously put effort into making sure her costume was true to the artist's design, and she -thankfully- had a body-type that suited the costume.

By contrast, these girls went to a con to be objectified. You'll notice an obvious difference. I present: Chewbacca & Pikachu.

 Ahtman wrote:
IF someone asks to interview me I would assume they want to, you know, interview, not that they are putting on an elaborate ruse just to mock me for their own amusement.

Yeah, it was pretty stupid for half the people who try out for American Idol to even think they made it to the finals on actual talent.

Welcome to High School. People will lie to you solely to humiliate you on a daily basis.

 AustonT wrote:
Bad whembly bad, you are objectifying her. That woman is clearly just admiring her obvious intellectual prowess.

Wait... did I miss the memo? Women don't like being objectified?

I'd rather tell a girl that she's hot and get SLAPPED for it, than not saying anything...


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 kronk wrote:
I can see where she keeps her prowess.

Heh... me too!

If you were to go out wearing dreadlocks, a hippy poncho, ripped courdoroy pants and a Dead shirt, would you be surprised when someone thought you were a stoner?

 azazel the cat wrote:

AustonT wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
Obvious outcomes are obvious.

This isn't a moral argument. Also, your comparison is still poor. It seems to me you're saying that the woman went to the con in order to be sexually harassed.

She went to that con to be objectified, she got treated like an object. Cue end credits.

No. She went to that con dressed in an A+ Black Cat costume, ripped from the pages of a comic book. She obviously put effort into making sure her costume was true to the artist's design, and she -thankfully- had a body-type that suited the costume.

By contrast, these girls went to a con to be objectified. You'll notice an obvious difference. I present: Chewbacca & Pikachu.

pisst: Where's Pikachu?

Her Black Cat costume was spot on.

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

 kronk wrote:
Her Black Cat costume was spot on.

Yeah.. .I'm marveling that too...


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 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

Dude... really?

 AustonT wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
She went to that con to be objectified

Evidence?

Spoiler:

Exhibit A

I said evidence that she went to the NYCC to be objectified. Not evidence that she dressed up as Black Cat and had a black & white photo taken.

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

What about porn stars?

 whembly wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

Dude... really?

Yes, I wish you well. Even you.

Or the Girls Gone Wild? Or girls that compete in wet t-shirt contests? Or amateur stripper nights? They all dont like getting objectified?

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

Dude... really?

Yes, I wish you well. Even you.

I have two kids...

So... what do I win?

On a serious note: There's a time that you need to take your lady seriously... then, there's a time when she wants to be objectified... its your job to figure out when and how.

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

What about porn stars?

Yeah, what about pornstars? Do they like to be objectified? I dunno. Is that what they think being a pornstar is all about? Seems to me that in the best situations, those ladies have have someone professionally negotiate exactly who does exactly what to her (et vice versa) and it only happens when she agrees and to the extent that she continues to agree. So, I'm not seeing the connection ... ?

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Or the Girls Gone Wild? Or girls that compete in wet t-shirt contests? Or amateur stripper nights? They all dont like getting objectified?

There's a common theme here...

Or the Glamour shots they post on Facebook and twitter? What are they doing there?

 whembly wrote:
There's a time that you need to take your lady seriously... then, there's a time when she wants to be objectified... its your job to figure out when and how.

Show that to your wife. (I can't wait for your response: "she loves it!!!")


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 whembly wrote:
What are they doing there?

Trying as hard as possible to catch AustonT's attention.

I get the feeling that there are women in the world who are more willing to be objectified so long as they get paid for it. A lot. Liking it might be a different issue when you're pulling seven figures.

"If you're good at something, never do it for free."

 Manchu wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
Women don't like being objectified?

Good luck in love and life.

What about porn stars?

Yeah, what about pornstars? Do they like to be objectified? I dunno. Is that what they think being a pornstar is all about? Seems to me that in the best situations, those ladies have have someone professionally negotiate exactly who does exactly what to her and it only happens when she agrees. So, I'm not seeing the connection ... ?

Its hard for me to believe they dont like being objectified as their whole point is to separate men from their money by becoming a sexual object. They become a sexual fantasy for men and some make a lot of money doing it. You act like no woman has ever benefited from being a sex object.

There's truly been some strange and pretty digusting comments in this thread, I mean, wow. Next time I wonder why there are certain aspects of nerd culture where there are a huge lack of women participating in i'll just read this thread again.

I work a job I hate because its the best paying job I can get. I see no reason why porn stars must necessarily have a different mentality.

 Manchu wrote:

 whembly wrote:
There's a time that you need to take your lady seriously... then, there's a time when she wants to be objectified... its your job to figure out when and how.

Show that to your wife. (I can't wait for your response: "she loves it!!!")

Not married...

But, yea... she knew that. Every women I've been with either flat-out told me (and smacking me at the same time) or insinuated this...

Next point?

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 whembly wrote:
What are they doing there?

Trying as hard as possible to catch AustonT's attention.

What's her cup size... might be needed to catch his attention (couldn't resist AutstonT... too funny!)

 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 AustonT wrote:
She went to that con to be objectified

Evidence?

Spoiler:

Exhibit A

I said evidence that she went to the NYCC to be objectified. Not evidence that she dressed up as Black Cat and had a black & white photo taken.

Exhibit B

Go on...

Hell even a pretty girl getting losers to buy them drinks at a bar is objectifying themselves. Some women are empowered by objectification as they can use it as a tool. Others deal with awful bs their whole life because men see them as nothing but a tool for their gratification.

I will admit I think my position has changed a bit due to this discourse with Cannerus, Ahtman, and Manchu.

Overall I think its a lot more convoluted than any of us have been saying really.