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Is there really enough traction for a full Spider-Man game? Wild Pack isn't exactly a household name.

I think there is - but I'm biased, as I'm a huge Spider-Man fan!

There tons of heroes and villains that they can use here, and setting it around a hero is a good idea.

And is it too much to hope for a miniature of my favorite Spidey Villain - Mysterio?!?

 drazz wrote:
Is there really enough traction for a full Spider-Man game? Wild Pack isn't exactly a household name.

Silver Sable is a pretty prominent character in the comics. I'd say it's no different than the Wonderland Gang from BMG. Most non-comics folk would probably not be able to tell you very much about Mad Hatter. Non video gamers have no clue what those Riddler robots are all about. A lot of folks that are "fans" of Spider-Man don't know who Jackal is or why he's important or who the Maggia are. They know the movies, maybe the cartoons.. that's pretty much it.

My point is.. your logic is kinda backwards IMO. Why diminish Spider-Man's lore to cater to people who don't know anything about him? That doesn't make sense to me. As a comic fan I watched this happen to the X-men already and then the Avengers. It sucks and Spider-Man has already been through enough without having his comic legacy dumbed down.

Ha!

You'd have to go through a lot of legitimately cooler/more well known characters before you'd have to worry about using Silver Sable!

There's plenty of stuff to mine from the Spider-Man setting that can support this game!

 Alpharius wrote:
Ha!

You'd have to go through a lot of legitimately cooler/more well known characters before you'd have to worry about using Silver Sable!

There's plenty of stuff to mine from the Spider-Man setting that can support this game!

I don't know that it's always about cool, but she was instrumental in taking down the Sinister Six in the Ends of the Earth storyline and Spidey blames himself for what happened to her.

I agree though.. Black Cat, Spider-Gwen, Beetle, Cardiac, Shocker, Electro, Rhino, Sandman, Prowler, Puma, Vulture, 2099 Spidey, Spider-Ham (and hopefully Throg), Moon Knight, Daredevil, Carnage, the 2 female goblins that were part of that Goblin war story, the original demonic Hobgoblin, Tombstone, Hammerhead, Kingpin, Chameleon, Mysterio, Scorpion, etc etc.

The MAIN problem with most of those characters though, is that they don't belong to an organization that could be made into a gang. Sable belongs to Wild Pack, and that translates well into the game. That's one of the reasons I think we'll see them.


OH SNAP.. what if we're going to see Taskmasters Academy? I know that's more of a Deadpool or maybe Avengers type of thing but that could be really cool.

Any one of the villains could be given a 'gang' I guess - going the Batman videogame and miniatures game route - or use Maggia, etc.

I think there are plenty of heroes that can show up too and not be too overpowered.

I'm really looking forward to this one, especially after I cooled on the Batman game.

Guess I'm more of a Marvel guy at heart!

Generic Law Forces be needed!

I like spiderman a great deal but I am kinda dissapointed this seems to be a spiderman minis game rather than a marvel / supers one.

... For now. I have to say I'm struggling to get excited about this, tbh.

I'm very excited!

PULP CITY remains my 'main' Super Hero Miniature Wargame, but I can see this one catching up quickly!

 MLaw wrote:
Alpharius is absolutely right. I hated that story arc.

It's worth noting that this is not being put out as Marvel Miniatures Game etc. They presented this on FB as the Spider-Man Miniatures Game. So starting from his more close knight group of street heroes, there's a lot more similarities to the BMG.
Even still though, Spidey deals with a LOT of powered bad guys and heroes to boot.
I would imagine we'll see the Maggia, The Hand, Wild Pack, and maybe the Sinister Six.
I would also imagine we'll see Kraven, Stilt Man, Madame Web, and ooh.. Maybe Jackal.. that could be interesting. There could also be Smythe and the Spider Slayers but I don't know if that would be a standalone gang or what.

Kingpin, Rose, Hammerhead, Hobgoblin, Jack'O'Lantern, Fancy Dan/Ox/Montana, Hood, Big Man, Puma, Black Cat, Jigsaw, and a few others are all 'classic' mafia goons that would replicate a Batman-esque gang structure.

Then you can branch into Shocker, Rhino, Boomerang, Beetle, Speed Demon, Justin Hammer, and other similar crooks who are either mercenaries for villains/mafia or criminal enterprises in and of themselves.

Venom's symbiote, over the years, has been shown to have silly levels of capabilities for damaging folks, so while not stronger than the Hulk, we've gotten lots of what-ifs where the symbiotes take out pretty even the likes of Hulk/Thor.

what is this...
BTAS batman!! how did i miss this?

Why, oh why, did they lead with one of the worst Spider-Man storylines in recent memory? I mean, I get it. The point is that Spidey could have minions, but still. There are a million better ways they could have done it without resorting to Superior Spider-Man.

Spiderlings and bots, derp. What a wasted opportunity, I want my Spidey gang to be Spiderham, 2099, Spiderclone, Ultimate, 6-armed Spidey,SpiderHulk, Armored Spidey and Captain Universe Spidey. Is that so much to ask?

ArtIsGreat wrote:
Spiderlings and bots, derp. What a wasted opportunity, I want my Spidey gang to be Spiderham, 2099, Spiderclone, Ultimate, 6-armed Spidey,SpiderHulk, Armored Spidey and Captain Universe Spidey. Is that so much to ask?

Considering the points cost of such a team, yeah it is too much to ask.

This gives people an option to run the Boss + Minions style of game that they are used to from the BMG or, if like you they do not like that style, go straight into the Spiderman/Green Goblin proper with a friend like Daredevil or Punisher.

I can't take spiderlings against the Sinister Six!

If they can't be bothered to make new rules why pick a character that doesn't fit the style? Cap with Shield vs Red skull and Hydra would've made sense.

Vain wrote:

ArtIsGreat wrote:
Spiderlings and bots, derp. What a wasted opportunity, I want my Spidey gang to be Spiderham, 2099, Spiderclone, Ultimate, 6-armed Spidey,SpiderHulk, Armored Spidey and Captain Universe Spidey. Is that so much to ask?

Considering the points cost of such a team, yeah it is too much to ask.

This gives people an option to run the Boss + Minions style of game that they are used to from the BMG or, if like you they do not like that style, go straight into the Spiderman/Green Goblin proper with a friend like Daredevil or Punisher.

It does look like PP Spidey, Daredevil and Punisher is just about a full 350Rep team (well, 340, but that's close enough), which is pretty cool. I'm kind of dissapointed we don't have a card for Elektra yet, as DD, Punisher and her would be a really cool band to run. Not really sold on any of the Goblin stuff, again I like the idea of all-character teams so I'm hoping we'll see a few more villains get released before I take the plunge. It's worth noting that the cops and prisoner profiles from BMG would work in this system easily enough for those that want more 'traditional' bands. You could even go as far as running Gordon as a counts-as Captain Stacey, or Deadshot as a counts-as Bullseye... or even, dare I say it, Alfred as Aunt May!

The Spiderman game gives me mixed feelings. I've always loved Marvel from the old comics/cartoons and the new films but the henchmen are putting me off.

I'd like a normal Spiderman in a good pose, have you see the clawed option of the new model, not into that but I have no idea where this version of him sits.

The Green Goblin model on the other hand looks very impressive, I also like the Goblin Knight model but not the little dudes.

Punisher and Daredevil would be cool if we could have Elektra, I wonder if she being re-sculpted as she's no longer in the store, actually none of the older models are from the Marvel universe I'm guessing they will be re-released.

I'm betting there will be quite a few versions of Spidey for this game!

I'm more looking forawrd to seeing crossover Batreps with Spidey and Batman..

Looking forward to seeing Joker take on the likes of SHIELD and HYRDA..

But I am a little disappointed in areas, as I would have liked to see BMG get at least all its gangs specified in the book done before starting off in a 'new' game, especially that they have so little to do now with only Freeze and Organised Gang needing at least core starters...

A Spider-man game? Why not a Marvel Heroes game?

Maybe they haven't ironed out the fully fledged "Marvel Heroes" concept yet and the scale of super powers involved.

Therefore, the spiderman game is essentially an interim measure, so that the marvel fans aren't left out?

H.B.M.C. wrote:A Spider-man game? Why not a Marvel Heroes game?

I imagine, seeing as we already have Daredevil and Punisher confirmed to feature, neither of which are hugely related to most Spidey stuff, that in that same way that the Batman Miniatures Game features the likes of TV Green Arrow and movie Watchmen, the Spidey Miniatures Game will be a byword for many street-level Marvel heroes. I mean, we already know SHIELD and Hydra are coming, and they're hardly the first thing you think of when you think Spidey.

Compel wrote:Maybe they haven't ironed out the fully fledged "Marvel Heroes" concept yet and the scale of super powers involved.

Therefore, the spiderman game is essentially an interim measure, so that the marvel fans aren't left out?

I must agree, it does feel like this is a stopgap. I posted a few bits on the BMG forum about how several things here just seem poorly thought out (Venom is way too good, Spidey is way too weak, Punisher should not be tougher than Spiderman, Green Goblin has more ranged weapons than The Arrow!) as if this were some kind of stopgap before the 'full' Marvel game.

Honestly, I've been waiting for this for a long time, but the choice for the first wave of minis and the frankly odd rules leaves me very much on the fence. Of the new stuff out this month, the only one I'd like is the Superior Spiderman, if only to be able to paint him up in the Civil War 'Iron Spider' suit.

People seem to forget that Spidey is strong enough to juggle cars, and is about as tough.

He doesn't just shoot webs.

 Paradigm wrote:

I must agree, it does feel like this is a stopgap. I posted a few bits on the BMG forum about how several things here just seem poorly thought out (Venom is way too good, Spidey is way too weak, Punisher should not be tougher than Spiderman, Green Goblin has more ranged weapons than The Arrow!) as if this were some kind of stopgap before the 'full' Marvel game.

Honestly, I've been waiting for this for a long time, but the choice for the first wave of minis and the frankly odd rules leaves me very much on the fence. Of the new stuff out this month, the only one I'd like is the Superior Spiderman, if only to be able to paint him up in the Civil War 'Iron Spider' suit.

Yikes!

Is there any indication that they're listening to you and things might be changed?

Because if not, I'm a lot less excited about this game...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

I must agree, it does feel like this is a stopgap. I posted a few bits on the BMG forum about how several things here just seem poorly thought out (Venom is way too good, Spidey is way too weak, Punisher should not be tougher than Spiderman, Green Goblin has more ranged weapons than The Arrow!) as if this were some kind of stopgap before the 'full' Marvel game.

Honestly, I've been waiting for this for a long time, but the choice for the first wave of minis and the frankly odd rules leaves me very much on the fence. Of the new stuff out this month, the only one I'd like is the Superior Spiderman, if only to be able to paint him up in the Civil War 'Iron Spider' suit.

Yikes!

Is there any indication that they're listening to you and things might be changed?

Because if not, I'm a lot less excited about this game...

The folks involved with the rules do post on the forums a fair bit, but I've not seen anything on this rules release yet (previously, there have been betas for suggestions on which they took community feedback ect, but nothing like that for the Spidey stuff thus far) so I imagine it's pretty set in stone. However, it does look like I'm far from the only one pointing out these issues, particularly on Spiderman's lack of power (in points terms, he's close to the likes of Deathstroke, Arkham Knight Batman and Titan Bane, and would get pounded into the dirt by any of those. Meanwhile, Venom costs only a few points more than those guys, and my first impression is that he could pretty handily beat them), so maybe there will be some movement, or at least some impact on future releases.

I get the impression that there has to be something major we haven't seen for this game yet. At the moment, it just seems very haphazard in balance terms, compared to the usually-pretty-balanced Batman counterpart).

Thanks for the update - and thanks for fighting the fight for all of us in an effort to get them to get the Spider-Man game 'right' (or at least 'more right' and/or 'close') in terms of power levels and such!

 Paradigm wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:

I must agree, it does feel like this is a stopgap. I posted a few bits on the BMG forum about how several things here just seem poorly thought out (Venom is way too good, Spidey is way too weak, Punisher should not be tougher than Spiderman, Green Goblin has more ranged weapons than The Arrow!) as if this were some kind of stopgap before the 'full' Marvel game.

Honestly, I've been waiting for this for a long time, but the choice for the first wave of minis and the frankly odd rules leaves me very much on the fence. Of the new stuff out this month, the only one I'd like is the Superior Spiderman, if only to be able to paint him up in the Civil War 'Iron Spider' suit.

Yikes!

Is there any indication that they're listening to you and things might be changed?

Because if not, I'm a lot less excited about this game...

The folks involved with the rules do post on the forums a fair bit, but I've not seen anything on this rules release yet (previously, there have been betas for suggestions on which they took community feedback ect, but nothing like that for the Spidey stuff thus far) so I imagine it's pretty set in stone. However, it does look like I'm far from the only one pointing out these issues, particularly on Spiderman's lack of power (in points terms, he's close to the likes of Deathstroke, Arkham Knight Batman and Titan Bane, and would get pounded into the dirt by any of those. Meanwhile, Venom costs only a few points more than those guys, and my first impression is that he could pretty handily beat them), so maybe there will be some movement, or at least some impact on future releases.

I get the impression that there has to be something major we haven't seen for this game yet. At the moment, it just seems very haphazard in balance terms, compared to the usually-pretty-balanced Batman counterpart).

Unfortunately, balance is always a rough point in games that seek to put comics into a multi-player experience. I used to play Heroclix, and the 'you can play almost anyone' aspect of the game would habitually lead to figures that were either too weak, too powerful, or simply inaccurate to the comics.

To that extent, I would almost think that limited rules sets would be better: that is, a "Batman Game" set, balanced for Batman, the Bat-family, their rogues gallery and other 'street level' heroes (the Outsiders, maybe up to something like Doom Patrol).

The alternative never really seems to work out. How, after all, does one have a uniform stat system that can accurately depict both Paste Pot Pete and Dr. Manhattan?

 Paradigm wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:A Spider-man game? Why not a Marvel Heroes game?

I imagine, seeing as we already have Daredevil and Punisher confirmed to feature, neither of which are hugely related to most Spidey stuff, that in that same way that the Batman Miniatures Game features the likes of TV Green Arrow and movie Watchmen, the Spidey Miniatures Game will be a byword for many street-level Marvel heroes. I mean, we already know SHIELD and Hydra are coming, and they're hardly the first thing you think of when you think Spidey.

Compel wrote:Maybe they haven't ironed out the fully fledged "Marvel Heroes" concept yet and the scale of super powers involved.

Therefore, the spiderman game is essentially an interim measure, so that the marvel fans aren't left out?

I must agree, it does feel like this is a stopgap. I posted a few bits on the BMG forum about how several things here just seem poorly thought out (Venom is way too good, Spidey is way too weak, Punisher should not be tougher than Spiderman, Green Goblin has more ranged weapons than The Arrow!) as if this were some kind of stopgap before the 'full' Marvel game.

Honestly, I've been waiting for this for a long time, but the choice for the first wave of minis and the frankly odd rules leaves me very much on the fence. Of the new stuff out this month, the only one I'd like is the Superior Spiderman, if only to be able to paint him up in the Civil War 'Iron Spider' suit.

I just want to point out.. in the comics, DD and Spidey are good friends and Punisher's first appearance was in fact in Spider-Man. Spidey and DD operate out of New York and are both Avengers. While Punisher doesn't usually team up with Spidey, he has on more than a few occasions. They have also been at odds.. in fact more often than not. Punisher stole Spidey's web shooter and used it to great effect in a story arc. Anyway.. I get what you're saying but the differences aren't as great as you might think. Spidey gets around and has teamed up with .... like.. everyone.. so that's going to leave a lot of doors open. I do hope that the aformentioned broader Marvel game is something we'll see but if not, there's always Heroclix.. right??? lol, ok ok.. that was bad..

So, yeah. What he said...



Edit: Also, totes want a Scarlet Spider Ben Reilly version at one point too.
I can see why they went with Spider-Man for the Marvel version of Batman, he has the most visually different variations of any Marcel Character I can think of.

Spider-Man (Classic)
Iron Spider
6 Arm Spider-Man
Symbiote Spider-Man
Ultimate Spider-Man Peter Parker and/or Miles Morales
Scarlet Spider

And that is just off the top of my head...