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I think we can be pessimistic over anything on kick-starter tbh. Anything COULD suck. If you don't want it to, submit feedback and there will be more of a chance that the game will become something you want it to be.

I don't think you will HAVE to do anything. It's a game in development, what it is now may not be what it will be in a few weeks from now, due to the development stages. Sure, the core of the game will be similar. But I think you may need to try some things out yourself, as people will respond to play testing differently and not test things in the same way you would.

 Madmick wrote:
I think that the point to make it a scaleable game, is to give people a choice.
Some people prefer having more troops as it feels more epic I guess. I am not in that category though.
Like you, I want a skirmish game and I would strongly agree that Infinity is awesome as it is easy to get into and it has great models
It is also nice that you can add more rules to infinity the more you get used to it. like a smooth transition from
the quick start rules to all the rules.

But simply "adding models" doesn't make the game scaleable. There should be a sweet spot that has some range, and the models have to be built based on that, if you want a truly balanced game. There's a reason that WM/H, at above 75ish points, starts to feel a bit cumbersome. It wasn't designed to be played at levels that large, and your book keeping becomes a bit daunting.

I am really looking forward to seeing the cards. I am hoping they a bit bigger than WM/H ones though as they always look to busy imho.
Ca't remember the guy on the Infinity forum that made his own Infinity cards, but they looked Awesome!!

I hope they stick to a standard size so card sleeves are easy to find. I'd be fine with Tarot sized cards because you can pretty easily find sleeves for them.

I hope they don't go the Malifaux route and make them an odd size that ONLY hard sleeves exist for. I've laminated most of my Malifaux cards because the sleeving options weren't that easy. If youre tracking wounds on the card, the cards either need to be laminate to begin with, or they need to be easy to sleeve, IMO.

 Madmick wrote:
I think we can be pessimistic over anything on kick-starter tbh. Anything COULD suck. If you don't want it to, submit feedback and there will be more of a chance that the game will become something you want it to be.

I don't think you will HAVE to do anything. It's a game in development, what it is now may not be what it will be in a few weeks from now, due to the development stages. Sure, the core of the game will be similar. But I think you may need to try some things out yourself, as people will respond to play testing differently and not test things in the same way you would.

You're submitting feedback by pledging money. You're saying, "Hey I like this idea and wish to see it made." There's a DCM that doesn't like the Kingdom Death: Monster Sculpts after the initial renders and art looked awesome. She's trying to unload a chunk of stuff that she doesn't want because she's feeling a little regret at her purchase. How would YOU feel if you spent 1000 dollars as a gamer (I know you're a painter) and the rules sucked? You'd feel a little shafted right?

Edit: Cincy, I laminate all stat cards for the games I play regardless of whether or not they fit into card sleeves saves time and money

Sorry was AFK watching Walking Dead :E

I would agree Alfn, but just because it is new, doesn't mean it is definitely gonna suck.
I think the best people to try the game out is the hard core gamers imho.
If I was testing it out I would probably overlook something. As it is, I am in it for the models first and foremost.

Agree with laminating the cards = Last forever and no card slippage in the sleeves.

I have bought things before that I have regretted, motorbikes, new car cause I was bored and thought it'll be fun.
Really regret them purchases now. However, I don't think I should be fearful of making all my future decisions,
just because I have made errors in the past. I want to enjoy what I have, and sometimes you just have to make a decision
and run with it. Or you'll not make decisions at all, which in my mind is worse.
So I choose to buy looking at the models and knowing they will be made from plastic. Others tell me the rules work well,
some others say there are little discrepancies. I am fine with both of those feedbacks, as it shows errors that have been found and can be therefore rectified
and strengths that should be maintained.

There is no such thing as bad feedback

 Madmick wrote:
Sorry was AFK watching Walking Dead :E

That's fine, tis a noble cause to avoid discussion too

I would agree Alfn, but just because it is new, doesn't mean it is definitely gonna suck.
I think the best people to try the game out is the hard core gamers imho.
If I was testing it out I would probably overlook something. As it is, I am in it for the models first and foremost.

I realize that it's new, thus the kickstarter . Except if you only target the hard core gamer you might get competition ready rules, and every game might seem cut throat. The idea is to find balance. I agree that if you want tight rules you generally want tournament players to test it.

I have bought things before that I have regretted, motorbikes, new car cause I was bored and thought it'll be fun. Really regret them purchases now. However, I don't think I should be fearful of making all my future decisions, just because I have made errors in the past. I want to enjoy what I have, and sometimes you just have to make a decision and run with it. Or you'll not make decisions at all, which in my mind is worse. So I choose to buy looking at the models and knowing they will be made from plastic. Others tell me the rules work well, some others say there are little discrepancies. I am fine with both of those feedbacks, as it shows errors that have been found and can be therefore rectified and strengths that should be maintained.
There is no such thing as bad feedback

Man, I wish I had your disposable income... I've never gone out and bought a new car because I was bored, cars tend to mean car loan payments which means they're not just something I can go out and buy. The same goes with 1000 dollars on plastic man dollies. Have I made impuslive purchases that I regret? Yes I have, but that's because they've been in what I consider reasonable impulse buys. If I don't like them, then I have small amounts of regret. But dropping a grand on a game that 1) I've never played, 2) I'm not sure I will play because 3) I'm mostly in it for the painting (using qualifications that you used) doesn't qualify as an impulse buy. And to say that "others tell me the rules work well"? Someone once told me:

 Madmick wrote:
@Alfndrate,

Whilst I have really enjoyed chatting to you matey, I think there comes a time when you need to seek some answers for yourself.

I don't mind chatting to you about things in general, but I can't copy and paste the internet for you, hehe.

I think it takes more effort for you to ask all the questions than to just click on there site, hehe.

What works for others doesn't always work for you...

How dare you stop warching Walking Dead to come back to Dakka! ;-)

I'm curious to know, and maybe Madmick can tell me, but are the Mercenary sets and Ladies of the West going to be available after the KS?

There are some one-offs I'd like to buy, and maybe incorporate into a game of Through the Breach, but I'm not overly keen on starting a new game and being the only player. My gaming group is fairly conservative/has children.

@Mathieu,
Yes they will be, but I think the ladies will be in different poses to what we have at present. The Mercs will be a constant feature and may be a faction IIRC.

@Alfn,
Didn't say I didn't have a loan at that point of my life, hehe. But I learnt by it and I never go in the red anymore. I had 6 years of not spending so I guess I am making up for it, lol.
Why not look at the rules and try a couple of games?

 Madmick wrote:

Why not look at the rules and try a couple of games?

I should say the same to you, Mr. I'm a painter

And I've looked over the rules, and it just doesn't grab me...

They call stuff by waves, does that mean there is a schedule for a staggered release or is everything getting done before they release?

If it's a schedule, please give us an inkling. (I know these things can get delayed, it's trendy, just what is their best guess at the moment)

They say they have 12 factions planned, some of which may be seen on the KS Home page. Whatever does not get released during this KS, will be getting released in approx 6 month stages.

@Alfn,
Ah ok, sorry I hadn't realised you had done that. I have been looking only also, but it has the opposite reaction to me, hehe

I would have had a few games against myself, but I always catch myself cheating!! lol

And I do hope they'll make a value set of the mercenary crew... 7$ a pop is a bit steep.

$7 steep? :s thats £4.60 in real money, hehe. GW heralds that have just been released are £15 each :s

The merc crew will be in resin?

Updated Enlightened box set has been posted with the newly posed Hired Hands, which I'm thinking look very cool





Wild West Exodus Kickstarter: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/wildwestexodus/wild-west-exodus-sci-fi-western-miniatures-game

Wild West Exodus Forum: http://www.wildwestexodusforum.com/index.php

This is the newest update just in number 73:

I think these guys definitely look a lot better imho. As a lot of people said the old ones looked to static and meh. The should look quite nice with the wave 2 as there seems to be a lot of diversity now.
Still hasn't changed my mind on Warrior Nation though. But I will get all the Enlightened bosses and maybe a starter of these to practice shooting in the face
Just thinking that a afew of their body parts could look like nice scatter terrain? Not sure how many extra bits will be on the sprues though.

@Mahrdol,
Not sure what the mercs will be cast in. We are only allowed to swap wave 1 for wave 2, which says to me that they are stuck together.
Outlaw mentions that there will be a surprise on Monday and it will be a big one! He is not letting on what it is though :(

It's probably some extra foam for your battlefoam bags.

But seriously, if it was a big announcement, why not mention it before the kickstarter ends to generate some extra revenue?

Because they need to reach a set monetary target in order to pull it off.

They are either past or nearly at that target but the sum of $300,000 came up yesterday.

There is going to be an extra mini coming at some point over the next 24 hours added to the pledges from one of the backers. Can’t wait to see it. Hopefully it will be something cool but a free mini is still a free mini

I'm going to call it.

After the KS they will unlock a new faction or two, for instance the Lawmen, despite how much is raised. They don't announce it now because it would take away incentive to reach that goal. Maybe they'll throw in a free Lawmen figure.

It would be a good move because there sounds like there is interest for that faction.

It would be amazing if they did that Carbon. Would really screw up my mind tbh (if it isn't screwed up enough already, lol)

And you are right, the flood gates would open wide up

Hopefully something along these lines as there is a lot of interest in the Lawmen, more than any other faction I would say. I think it would bring more people in as everyone wants to play the Outlaws against the Lawmen.

The thing I love about the Outlaws is the jackets motion and the cowboy hats. In fact they just look so ........ realistic in a gaming model way, if you know what I mean?

I picture the Outlaws with long black jackets and big moustaches. I don't know what they would use for Heavy weapons though. Or even if they should have them. perhaps long barrelled pistols with different types of bullet?

 frank6002 wrote:
Hopefully something along these lines as there is a lot of interest in the Lawmen, more than any other faction I would say. I think it would bring more people in as everyone wants to play the Outlaws against the Lawmen.

Speak for yourself. I want a harlots faction that comes with a brothel as a piece of scenery.


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 Madmick wrote:
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I picture the Outlaws with long black jackets and big moustaches. ?

You must be a traditionalist.

@Cincy,
I did actually ask for that asa a faction when I first signed up, lol.

See you could have backed me up if you were on board, LOL

 cincydooley wrote:

 frank6002 wrote:
Hopefully something along these lines as there is a lot of interest in the Lawmen, more than any other faction I would say. I think it would bring more people in as everyone wants to play the Outlaws against the Lawmen.

Speak for yourself. I want a harlots faction that comes with a brothel as a piece of scenery.

Amen..... Maybe that's the wrong response.

 Madmick wrote:
@Cincy,
I did actually ask for that asa a faction when I first signed up, lol.

See you could have backed me up if you were on board, LOL

I've already said a few times a buddy and I are splitting a $220 pledge.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Madmick wrote:
@Cincy,
I did actually ask for that asa a faction when I first signed up, lol.

See you could have backed me up if you were on board, LOL

I've already said a few times a buddy and I are splitting a $220 pledge.

Yeah, I'm the "heathen" that hasn't backed this project...

Also, the new Hired Hands look just as bad last ones >_<

I still can crop the top halves from these and put them on the bottom halves of the old ones... Dynamic for the win

 Mahrdol wrote:
The merc crew will be in resin?

I believe non hired hands will be in resin for now. There may be some exceptions with the standard starter kits and the LSVs

Earth Dragon wrote:

 Mahrdol wrote:
The merc crew will be in resin?

I believe non hired hands will be in resin for now. There may be some exceptions with the standard starter kits and the LSVs

I was curious because someone said they thought they were expensive. $7 for a resin miniature is a pretty sweet deal IMO.

Depends if its "real" resin or restic.