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I have nothing against most FW models (aside from production quality or lack thereof) and the rest are because their rules ARE pants-on-head-drunken-stupid.

I'll refuse to play against them based on the player, though. Have several times, and I have no problems with this. They tend to be the blinkered, one-eyed, GW-is-mother, GW-is-father, there are no other games bar GW frothing maniacs anyway. So no great loss there.

Deathshead420 wrote:

Also @ Brother srm you make it seem like Eldar and Dkok are the same. Where in the US can I walk in and buy some?

By that reasoning, where can you find SoB models, and even rarer, their rules?

Why wouldn't people play against official Warhammer 40k models?

I use my Contemptor Mortis because it looks freaking cool.

And it's more useful than Aegis line.

Does that make me a dick because I use it because it looks cool, but I also use it because it's good?

I allow my opponent to read the Contemptor rules before the game begins, and if something surprises them, it's their fault at that point. >.>

I would be happy to play agenst a player that was honest and would let me read and ask questions.
It's addon content and should be treated the same way you would in a board game I think, more like an expantion pack. Some people like to play with the standard stuff and others don't.

It all comes down to atatude presenting it at the table

If anyone says no; they're a fool.

By that reasoning, where can you find SoB models, and even rarer, their rules?

Touche

I played in a ongoing cup in the local club, and where going to meet a player I had never even spoken to before. I asked him if he has ok with me using my Chaos Spined Beast, I told him all the rules and said something about that the model is much larger and more impresive than the rules. He told me ok. I won the battle, but the Giant Spawn meet a squad of repetinas and died a horrible death after killing only one.

What I am trying to say is: speak to your oppendent, and try to keep the suprises at a minimale, and you will most likely not meet much resistance in the "am I alowed" department.

Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

But Spearhead and Planetstrike are different rulesets / expansions, with their own crazy additional rules (And some Apoc rules if I remember rightly?).

Forgeworld Warhammer 40,000 Units are simply additional units to use within the game - frankly no different to using Allies at this point.

There's this stigma about Forgeworld models / units that I don't really understand, and I think it often stems from ignorance - people have been told (probably by long term players, or people continuing old stereotypes) that Forgeworld is this immensely overpower creation full of broken and dead puppies.

But when you actually look at it, the majority of the stuff with the 40K stamp is fine, yeah there's a few iffy things, but there are in 40K as it is (How many times do I see complaints about Vendettas, Necrons, Grey Knights, etc...)

At the end of the day, they look cool, the rules are generally sound, and it's usually going to be an interesting game.

Why not, Krieg are aweome.

+it adds verity in game, something new to standard army adn rules.
I don't care if some models are OP for basic 40k games - I would play FW any day of the week.

Brother maximus wrote:
I'm getting some death korps of kreig soon and I'm wondering if you would play aginst them?

Absolutely.

You're saying models, but I think you're meaning rules, as in the DKoK Army List from the IA books. In that case, my answer is still absolutely.

If you're worried about tournaments in your area, you should probably call the local stores that run them or talk to the TOs to see if their tournaments are FW friendly (if you care about tournaments).

I would once. I played against my friends Tau in 5th and 6th edition broke the tau tetra... HARD. Its so much better, cheaper, and ... well fething bettter than pathfinders, he only ever plays them anymore. His TT effectiveness skyrocketed and it got to the point where I told him I wasnt going to play him if he insisted on using a crutch to supplement his codex's age. He went to a tourny without them, totally different game.

I dont understand either. I have played 6th with my tau, and dont have any problems winning while sticking to core codex stuff. So forgive me if I dont feel like everyone here and say, as a blanket statement, that forgeworld is peachy keen. In my limited experience, FW stuff (that actually makes it to the TT) is even less balanced than GW stuff proper. So no, with allies and such in this edition, I dont like FW.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

Sure you can, just make sure to tell me we are playing with the Spearhead rules or the Planetstrike rulebook so I can prepare beforehand.

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:
I would once. I played against my friends Tau in 5th and 6th edition broke the tau tetra... HARD. Its so much better, cheaper, and ... well fething bettter than pathfinders, he only ever plays them anymore. His TT effectiveness skyrocketed and it got to the point where I told him I wasnt going to play him if he insisted on using a crutch to supplement his codex's age. He went to a tourny without them, totally different game.

I dont understand either. I have played 6th with my tau, and dont have any problems winning while sticking to core codex stuff. So forgive me if I dont feel like everyone here and say, as a blanket statement, that forgeworld is peachy keen. In my limited experience, FW stuff (that actually makes it to the TT) is even less balanced than GW stuff proper. So no, with allies and such in this edition, I dont like FW.

I feel this is more of a problem with the player, than with FW. Ofcourse more toys= more combos, and a duche will find a way to break/bend FW to make a more powerfull army. A friendly player will use FW to make a more flavorfull army.

Love playing against FW for all the reasons others have given, cool models, different challenges etc. Then again, my local store is a hotbed of FW armies and special characters anyway. The first time I took my Iyanden Army of the Dead in I was castigated for NOT using my WraithSeer to lead it; they wanted to see how it looked and performed on the table.

It seems the players that do generally fuss over FW stuff are the older guys that have been in the game for ages; the youngers guys are all over it. Sweeping generalisation ofc but just my experience.

I recently used my FW contemptor in a game guess what my opponents know what it does and if they don't I hand them Aeronautica.

As long as you have the rules for your army i will play you and I will beat you.

thakabalpuphorsefishguy wrote:I would once. I played against my friends Tau in 5th and 6th edition broke the tau tetra... HARD. Its so much better, cheaper, and ... well fething bettter than pathfinders, he only ever plays them anymore. His TT effectiveness skyrocketed and it got to the point where I told him I wasnt going to play him if he insisted on using a crutch to supplement his codex's age. He went to a tourny without them, totally different game.

I dont understand either. I have played 6th with my tau, and dont have any problems winning while sticking to core codex stuff. So forgive me if I dont feel like everyone here and say, as a blanket statement, that forgeworld is peachy keen. In my limited experience, FW stuff (that actually makes it to the TT) is even less balanced than GW stuff proper. So no, with allies and such in this edition, I dont like FW.

I feel this also in part, due to the inherrently flawed nature of Pathfinders. If you didn't have to take the 80-100+ points of mediocre transport, they'd be great.
The forced Devilfish prices them up too much.

Hell, I wouldn't be entirely surprisedif pathfinders became troops and Tetras were included in the standard codex once it's updated.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

Sure you can, just make sure to tell me we are playing with the Spearhead rules or the Planetstrike rulebook so I can prepare beforehand.

Sure will, though please extend the same cutesy and tell me we are playing with Forge World rules so I can prepare beforehand.

What's there to prepare for any more than playing against codex-only armies?

 Ovion wrote:
But Spearhead and Planetstrike are different rulesets / expansions, with their own crazy additional rules (And some Apoc rules if I remember rightly?).

As are the Imperial Armour books (see lower right-hand corner)

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Ovion wrote:
But Spearhead and Planetstrike are different rulesets / expansions, with their own crazy additional rules (And some Apoc rules if I remember rightly?).

As are the Imperial Armour books (see lower right-hand corner)

They don't do that on recent books. The recent books say the units are fully integrated into 40k or Apocalypse, and call out each unit for which belongs in which game.

As for would I, of course. I would play against any of the 40k units in any game of 40k, no complaints or restrictions.

I would play against none of the Apocalypse units because I don't play Apocalypse games and those units don't belong in 40k.

Some Forgeworld stuff is monstrously OP, most of it isn't. Typically, I don't have any problem with playing using Forgeworld units (I'm adding an Avenger to my collection, personally), but I can also understand why some clubs ban certain FW units for competitive play, and I endorse that.

Though if you're literally just talking about using FW models with the existing GW rules, more power to you.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

Sure you can, just make sure to tell me we are playing with the Spearhead rules or the Planetstrike rulebook so I can prepare beforehand.

Sure will, though please extend the same cutesy and tell me we are playing with Forge World rules so I can prepare beforehand.

I'd be glad to tell you what rules my models have, same courtesy as if you'd tell me if I saw unfamiliar units from your codex. But I will not let you list tailor to my list by showing you it beforehand, I consider it a bit unfair you see.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

Sure you can, just make sure to tell me we are playing with the Spearhead rules or the Planetstrike rulebook so I can prepare beforehand.

Sure will, though please extend the same cutesy and tell me we are playing with Forge World rules so I can prepare beforehand.

I'd be glad to tell you what rules my models have, same courtesy as if you'd tell me if I saw unfamiliar units from your codex. But I will not let you list tailor to my list by showing you it beforehand, I consider it a bit unfair you see.

Well, than that is how we'll also handle my Spearhead formation I s'pose.

I would play with anyone using 40K Imperial Armor rules provided:

1) They are the latest updated rules for that item/character.
2) They are actual FW models representing.
3) They fit in a regular codex list.
4) No more than a single unit of that type in the list (no spamming cheese, just a sprinkle).

If you're spamming dreadclaws with your chaos army = bad. One dreadclaw = AWESOME. A unit of cheap guns for IG is ok, filling up all your force orgs with platform spam is bad.

Using FW models (or any at all) for Counts-As is perfectly fine, absolutely no issues.

 Ovion wrote:

At the end of the day, non-apoc Forgeworld units are generally fine, and die just as easily as their 'standard' 40K equivalents (and often cost more points for it.)

My feelings now that 6th is so wacky.

I also think it is a good way to bring armies like Eldar back to the table-top. They need some shiny.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

Sure you can, just make sure to tell me we are playing with the Spearhead rules or the Planetstrike rulebook so I can prepare beforehand.

Sure will, though please extend the same cutesy and tell me we are playing with Forge World rules so I can prepare beforehand.

I'd be glad to tell you what rules my models have, same courtesy as if you'd tell me if I saw unfamiliar units from your codex. But I will not let you list tailor to my list by showing you it beforehand, I consider it a bit unfair you see.

Well, than that is how we'll also handle my Spearhead formation I s'pose.

Sure, but once we game you'll have to remove it, otherwise you'll be cheating by adding an illegal formation into the FoC, as there is no spearhead FoC in an official game of 40k, but if you want a 500+ point handicap, sure.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:
Sure. As long as you don't mind me using a Spearhead formation or a Planetstrike FoC.

Sure you can, just make sure to tell me we are playing with the Spearhead rules or the Planetstrike rulebook so I can prepare beforehand.

Sure will, though please extend the same cutesy and tell me we are playing with Forge World rules so I can prepare beforehand.

I'd be glad to tell you what rules my models have, same courtesy as if you'd tell me if I saw unfamiliar units from your codex. But I will not let you list tailor to my list by showing you it beforehand, I consider it a bit unfair you see.

Well, than that is how we'll also handle my Spearhead formation I s'pose.

Sure, but once we game you'll have to remove it, otherwise you'll be cheating by adding an illegal formation into the FoC, as the spearhead FoC is not involved in an official game of 40k.

If that is the benchmark, the same would apply for any and all miniatures and units that are not drawn from a Warhammer 40.000 codex, which are presumably the requirement you refer to when you talk of an "official" game of 40K as per the 6th Edition rulebook (p 108 of the mini-rulebook... I don't have a big one).

I don't even see what would be bad about multiple dreadclaws, they aren't armed with anything substantial, playing hot potato transport with them is rather awkward and not as functional as it might otherwise look, and they're significantly more points than loyalist drop pods. Artillery spam is a bit different since GW changed them from being AV10 "glance-it-kill-it" to "T7 W2 3+sv" fantasy style units, so they're a bit beefy, but generally as soon as you get into CC with them with *anything* they die.