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Thanks for your help, ordering during Gen Con it is. How many days do we have to order it?

The store normally opens on Wednesday night just before the con and closes at the same time as the con

Finally got my TtB stuff.

The male multi part models are for sale on the gencon webshop, the female ones are not.

Note: the female set appears to be offscale, the legs are a couple of mm to long, leading to the models being up to a full head longer then other malifaux models. Seeing that they are not selling them at gencon i guess Wyrd knows but nothing has been communicated about this to the backers.

On another note, a lot of people who have a pledge that includes 2 limited decks are reporting that they are getting one limited and one arcane deck (the new deck that is going on normal sale).

Yeah. Frankly, that's BS.

If they ran short, hopefully the arcanes are supplemented with a second KS deck when the HC's go out. Not to be greedy here, but changing the deal after the Campaign is uncouth, doing so without even showing the common courtesy of mentioning it while sending us updates about delivery finally happening days even less positive things.

I guess we'll find out in a week or two what the word will be on he FMPM sprues and the decks, hopefully along with some idea where he HC's are. I'm not expecting it, but that'd be nice.

Also, I received an email from Wyrd telling me that FedEx had reported to them that they weren't able to deliver to me. No kidding. I've been out of town all week, and since I didn't have a tracking number, the FedEx agent I spoke to couldn't help me.

 Forar wrote:
Yeah. Frankly, that's BS.

If they ran short, hopefully the arcanes are supplemented with a second KS deck when the HC's go out. Not to be greedy here, but changing the deal after the Campaign is uncouth, doing so without even showing the common courtesy of mentioning it while sending us updates about delivery finally happening days even less positive things.

I guess we'll find out in a week or two what the word will be on he FMPM sprues and the decks, hopefully along with some idea where he HC's are. I'm not expecting it, but that'd be nice.

Also, I received an email from Wyrd telling me that FedEx had reported to them that they weren't able to deliver to me. No kidding. I've been out of town all week, and since I didn't have a tracking number, the FedEx agent I spoke to couldn't help me.

This sounds about par for the course on the whole project, Like a little mutant Little engine that could mess anything up it touched. Hope you get your stuff soon, In my opinion, you've been a very good sport for Wyrd, and absolutely 100% deserve a better serving of the game then most.

That's very kind of you to say. Running on about 3 hours sleep in the last two days, I completed a training course out of town, got home despite the world's best attempts to stop me, picked up my box with 15 minutes to spare before fedex closed, and walked it all home, covering a good 5k between the two while dragging my luggage along for the ride. Hopping a cab would've been the wiser choice, but I figured I could use something to help put me out by the time I crashed tonight.

Anyway, enough rambling. At a glance, the box appears to be secure. Some damage in transport to the exterior, but reasonably well packed. Got Mother of Monsters as my 'apology box', and got one Arcane and one TtB fate deck (ugh, I'm pretty sure that was not part of the deal. Whatever.), and haven't cracked much of anything yet. Think I'll give away a couple of choice items, keep a few for myself and pitch the rest onto the local secondary market. I'd go for ebay or here or bartertown, but I'd rather have cash in hand and not have to deal with shipping.

I'm still waiting for mine...

Unfortunately it appears that Wyrd is shipping alphabetically. And I will be waiting till S... I've seen A, C, and F get their stuff. .

I don't know if they ship by alphabet, my last name starts with W and I got my package in over a week ago actually. Might be that they ship alphabetically by nation or continent ofcourse and there being less backers in Europe.

Yeah, my last name starts with W as well, and it arrived on Monday of this past week.

If there were multiple waves, it may involve the backer number a bit, but I imagine we both backed very early, Alf. Maybe your local crew just kinda sucks?

If it's not in hand by the end of next week I'd reach out. By then they should at least have picked themselves up off the floor from Gencon, even if the Warehouse is on the verge of open mutiny.

Edit, also by tier. Keep in mind how many core boxes started showing up at the start. I imagine those got a lead on the middle and top tiers.

I believe I was the middle tier... I'm just getting a little miffed that people at GenCon got theirs before me. Call me selfish, but I was also expecting this a year ago...

By the way, if anyone in the Toronto area is looking for books, minis, or some combination thereof, I'm selling off most of my stuff from a Gaming Room tier.

Trying to stay local, because as noted, paypal and shipping are a pain in the ass and this is kind of a hectic month.

Just a heads up. Might start a swap shop thread, but I thought I'd give you guys the heads up first. I'll also let you guys know if I open that up to a wider audience (Swap Shop, ebay, whatever).

Currently have up:

-Fated Guide
-Fatemaster's Guide
-Fatemaster's Kit (character sheets, FM screen)
-1 of each Multi-Pose Mini sprue (note, each only comes with 5 bases, despite being able to supposedly make ~11 figures, also the female sprue is apparently a couple mm too tall, for those who care about absolute scale)
-Arcade Fate Deck
- Mother of Monsters (Lilith's Plastic figure crew box)

Plus the following Limited Edition items:

- LE Hannah
- Santana (seems to have minor box damage, possibly from before being sent?)
- "Nightmare" Hanging Tree
- Miss Terious
- LE Fate Deck

Hannah, Santana, Miss Terious, Hanging Tree all come with M2E stat cards. All items as I received them in the mail.

Edit: http://wyrd-games.net/community/topic/102734-upcoming-changes/

Apparently they are aware of the Female MPM issue, but are not planning a resolution, which I'm not surprised by, and hopefully doesn't disappoint too many people. There is no news currently on the status of the Hardcover books. When the Hardcovers go out, they'll be sending along a second Limited Fate Deck to those that lack one. All in all, a better/quicker response than I anticipated.

I went with Dining Room so I didn't get the Hanging tree. I've already got extra of it so I'm not really missing anything other than the 2E card.

I'm watching a set of the core books and they are going for ~£95 plus shipping with still four days to go on the auction. The MPM sets are fetching good money too - around £35 plus shipping. I guess the kickstarter was a success for some people - those who never intended to keep their stuff

Ah well, I'm sure Wyrd will sell the MPM boxed sets eventually.

Eh, it was a gamble speculating on this one. If you added up what we were getting versus what we were paying, it's not like we paid a quarter of MSRP here or anything.

Frankly, I think it's a couple of things in action.

1) the tiers that are getting the hardcover. Having a second round of books coming probably means there are a number of people looking to offload one of them.

B) M2E. Flat out, the edition change caused a bit of a schism, and some backers may be walking away from the franchise/Wyrd.

iii) The timing. 12 months ago may have had an entirely different sales profile versus now. Being a year late, compounded with frustratingly bad communications haven't done the project any favours.

00110100) Things change. People have unexpected bills come up, they realize they may have overspent a little and need to make that right when they get the opportunity, they may simply not have time for it right now and figure they'll snag copies later when finances aren't so tight.

Not to insinuate that you're projecting all this upon others, just trying to express some of the reasons I've seen people comment as to why they might or are going to part with some or all of their stuff.

When I got my Gaming Room, it was with the idea of a friend snagging a set of books off me. That seems to have fallen through, and sadly, the move to M2E split my group to a degree that it's a rare blue moon that a game of 1.5 even gets played (it's a long and admittedly stupid story), so I basically went from "maybe I'll sell a set of books and a deck or something" to "whelp, I'm tired of this gak, bills need paying, let's sort something out."

So , for as far as the offscale female multi part models go a wyrd staffer posted that the issue is known but they see no need to fix it as it's for ttb (apparantly rp models don't have to be in scale with eachother).

Well, ~1,250 boxes shipped out alone would be tens of thousands of dollars, plus the figures themselves (cheap as the sprues themselves are, it'd start to add up in the thousands, given that it'd be more like 2k+ if they replaced ALL of them), plus depressed retail demand due to however many hitting the market, etc.

I'm trying to empathize with those for whom this is a problem, and not minimize it, but I can see from their perspective, with an unwanted second wave of shipping already lined up for the hardcovers, how uninterested they'd be in doing a third wave when the FMPM's get fixed and arrive whenever that might be (months from now?)

And yes, customer service oriented as the companies I like to work with generally are, ideally they'd still strive to rectify the problem, but I can understand there being limits to how far they can justify going.

I suppose a compromise could be to allow people to write in if they want a replacement and thus send them out to those who care, but that risks, like, everyone joining in just to get a free bonus sprue or two.

I understand it would be to expensive to change it.
However, brushing it off with 'it doesnt matter for ttb' is something that really sits wrong with me.

Update 59 -
"...and the mini sets were finalized by our factory at an incompatible size! That meant making our manufacturers redo them FAST and reship them all."

"All we are waiting on is the redone/fixed multi-piece minis, which we hope to have very very soon. "

This is one of the reasons given for the delays with the project. It was implied that they delayed the shipment of this project to fix the scale issue with the miniatures. Are they trying to say that they screwed up the scaling on the minis *TWICE*?

Yeah, it doesn't sit right with me either. As noted, I'm not super bothered by it, but it'd be nice if the answer were better. All told, I'm tired enough of things that I suppose I just can't find it in me to care at the moment, but respect that it does greatly annoy some others. As someone who is very much still an amateur to miniatures, it's just not something I have the expertise in to really catch.

And yes, it does appear that the factory managed to screw up scaling on this twice, at least for the FMPM's.

 Alfndrate wrote:
I'm still waiting for mine...

Unfortunately it appears that Wyrd is shipping alphabetically. And I will be waiting till S... I've seen A, C, and F get their stuff. .

Can't be shipping alphabetically. I got mine the Friday before GenCon and I'm in the back end of the alphabet.

Far as we know, all the wave one boxes have been shipped. Individual locations or services might be taking a little longer than expected, but they should all have been in the system for the last 2 weeks.

If someone's package didn't arrive by Friday, I'd probably reach out to them. Apparently they didn't use FedEx for everyone, but when they tried to deliver mine, FedEx called them up, and they in turn emailed me with the tracking info, so at least some people should be able to find out what's going on that way.

I'm resigning myself to being the last package sent for my vitriol towards Wyrd for how they handled this.

Side note: received my second half of my dead zone rewards. A kickstarter I backed paid for and received before I got anything physical from Wyrd on TtB.

It could well be that when they asked the factory to redo the female MPM (as they said the factory had done it wrong) the factory was able to show that they'd done exactly what was asked of them and the error was on Wyrds end

so no free re-do, and so as has been said, wyrd decided it would be too expensive to pay for a complete new tool & production & shipping


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but even so I think they should at least be offering refunds to those who wish to return them (and the rest of their stuff)

Forar, still have a few of those minis on hand?

Looking for the MPM sprues. Bases are not a problem. I need to check what Miss Terious is.

 Forar wrote:
Eh, it was a gamble speculating on this one. If you added up what we were getting versus what we were paying, it's not like we paid a quarter of MSRP here or anything.

Frankly, I think it's a couple of things in action.

1) the tiers that are getting the hardcover. Having a second round of books coming probably means there are a number of people looking to offload one of them.

B) M2E. Flat out, the edition change caused a bit of a schism, and some backers may be walking away from the franchise/Wyrd.

iii) The timing. 12 months ago may have had an entirely different sales profile versus now. Being a year late, compounded with frustratingly bad communications haven't done the project any favours.

00110100) Things change. People have unexpected bills come up, they realize they may have overspent a little and need to make that right when they get the opportunity, they may simply not have time for it right now and figure they'll snag copies later when finances aren't so tight.

Not to insinuate that you're projecting all this upon others, just trying to express some of the reasons I've seen people comment as to why they might or are going to part with some or all of their stuff.

When I got my Gaming Room, it was with the idea of a friend snagging a set of books off me. That seems to have fallen through, and sadly, the move to M2E split my group to a degree that it's a rare blue moon that a game of 1.5 even gets played (it's a long and admittedly stupid story), so I basically went from "maybe I'll sell a set of books and a deck or something" to "whelp, I'm tired of this gak, bills need paying, let's sort something out."

It came down to the basic ill will and no KS supporter love that weird decided to provide the war on...

It burned a hell of lots of bridges.

For me it started with M2E which my playgroup and I didn't like, then it was the post from Mack on July 3rd 2013 stating that the book probably wouldn't be finished in time for GenCon, which was followed by an email/KS update saying everything was still on track. Then it was the post from Mack about having the book finished by end of August which was followed up by several months of open beta testing (which I pointed out could have started months before right after the initial closed beta happened). Then it was the complete and utter lack of updates.

Wyrd burned the bridge, burned the land, and stuck their fingers in their ears yelling "we can't hear you!" over and over until we left. It became clear there were other more important things on their plate.

So, it has been a month and a half since shipping commenced. I imagine Gencon shipments have also kept them busy, but anyone else starting to get the feeling we're going to be waiting a long while for the hardcovers?

Not to come across as an ungrateful donkey cave, but when they told us that the HC's would hold things up 'a couple of weeks', a month and a half should cover a good chunk of that disparity, right?

Hopefully they at least give us an idea of what is going on in the next two weeks. I'm not expecting it, but it'd be nice of them to finish a bit stronger on the communications, rather than petering out as they started.

Is it possible that the people at Wyrd simply forgot that they still have to do those hardcover books?

That or the warehouse staff are currently uprising in a mutiny between the first wave of shipping, Gencon, and whatever second wave might or might not be pending in the near future.