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Can't wait for the new goals and a new page update. Upped my pledge.

Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

So it is a board game?
Interchangable miniatures?
I may actually get into this one.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:

This is outright wrong. Mark from Dream-Forge was amazing during his kickstarter. And I felt Mike and Ali listened pretty well, though were not as open to make changes since it was CMON's kickstarter. I'm sure there were others as well.

Seconded. DreamForge was amazing in this regard. I am still amazed how Mark stayed sane and solvent despite giving in to each and every whim of his backers.

Not that Adam from KD isn't doing a fantastic job.

Agreed. Mark continues to keep up pretty good communication even now. Far better than most creators, who have a habit of largely disappearing once they have your money in hand...


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 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?

They look like at least E or F-cups.

 Zweischneid wrote:

 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?

Left-most one is the 54 mm pin-up. Middle one the "regular" KD pin-up. And a Marine

Interesting. I didn't realise they were so much bigger then the industry standard figure size.

 scipio.au wrote:

 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?

They look like at least E or F-cups.

Oh man... had to exault that one. HA!

I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.

 Sasori wrote:
I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.

You just pledge for survivor level ($155) and then add the cost of the expansions ($45 currently) and any postage (you're outside USA and not canada so $45). So at the moment, pledge $245 and click the survivor option (to make sure you get the freebies!)

hope that helps...

 Makaleth wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.

You just pledge for survivor level ($155) and then add the cost of the expansions ($45 currently) and any postage (you're outside USA and not canada so $45). So at the moment, pledge $245 and click the survivor option (to make sure you get the freebies!)

hope that helps...

I'm in the U.S., so That would put me around 200$ right now, and that doesn't include any of the extra pin ups, like the Lioness, correct?

 Sasori wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:

 Sasori wrote:
I think I'm going to end up pledging at the Survivor 155 level, so I can bump it up with all these expansions.

Quick question for Kickstarter experts, it says you increase the pledge amount, to get the expansions, do you need to specify which ones when you make the pledge?, or is there something else going on.

You just pledge for survivor level ($155) and then add the cost of the expansions ($45 currently) and any postage (you're outside USA and not canada so $45). So at the moment, pledge $245 and click the survivor option (to make sure you get the freebies!)

hope that helps...

I'm in the U.S., so That would put me around 200$ right now, and that doesn't include any of the extra pin ups, like the Lioness, correct?

Correct. $200 will get you the Survivor level bonuses, the game, and both expansions.

Couple of (potentially dumb) questions;

-- Are the Kingsmen playable pieces for the game, or just extras/plastic rereleases of previous sculpts?

-- I don't understand the armour situation at present. It seems like you only get four "base" Survivor models (with no option I can see anywhere for adding more) yet there seems to be a dozen+ sets of armour included at the most popular pledge level. The latest stretch goal says it unlocks 8 Lion armour sets... with only four base Survivors what use could anyone ever have for eight sets? What am I missing here? It's confusing the heck outta me.

recruittons wrote:

Correct. $200 will get you the Survivor level bonuses, the game, and both expansions.

And at the moment, that entails:

Total Model

BASE GAME
4 -4 Starting Survivors
20 -4 Armour Kits (Lion, Rawhide, Phoenix and Leather) with 2 female and male in each (16 total)
27 -7 Monsters (Lion, Phoenix, Antelope, Butcher, Kings-men, Kings Hand, Watcher)

UPGRADES TO BASE
31 -1 Unarmored Kit with 2 female and male
35 -1 Lantern Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -1 Fur Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -2 Extra weapons for the Lion Armour

UPGRADES TO SURVIVOR
43 -1 Rawhide Armour Set with 2 female and male
44 -1 Plastic Phoenix
45 -1 Plastic Watcher
49 -1 Set of Phoenix Armour with 2 female and male
54 -5 Kingsmen
55 -1 Paul the Survivor

This is pretty good so far.
And more to come!

I just threw down for the survivor and the expanstions.

Even if I hate the game, these minis are amazing and will totaly find their way into my D&D games.

 Brother-Captain Scotti wrote:

Lt. Coldfire wrote:Ha yeah, I meant the nice Black Friday deals. I always miss out on the early kickstarter deals . I should probably pay more attention to these things...

I wouldn't worry dude, I picked one up yesterday, the BF Launch 3, just take 10 mins on an evening and refresh the page a few times and if something appears then go like lightning!!! Worked for me

Yup, keep an eye out for them, because there are probably more than a few folk grabbed the BF launch deals whilst they were there, and haven't decided if they want to keep them or not. I'm one of the above; if it's looking like it'll get expensive I might drop down to the lower pledge value and spend the money on the figures

Well, I just pledged, I'm looking forward to seeing the continued progress on this, the expansions seem pretty well done so far!

Interested to see how the next few weeks on this thing work out. Maybe I'll try and paint my King's Hand while I wait....


Also, anyone notice the female survivor looks like Nel from Bleach?

Altruizine wrote:
Couple of (potentially dumb) questions;

-- Are the Kingsmen playable pieces for the game, or just extras/plastic rereleases of previous sculpts?

-- I don't understand the armour situation at present. It seems like you only get four "base" Survivor models (with no option I can see anywhere for adding more) yet there seems to be a dozen+ sets of armour included at the most popular pledge level. The latest stretch goal says it unlocks 8 Lion armour sets... with only four base Survivors what use could anyone ever have for eight sets? What am I missing here? It's confusing the heck outta me.

One Kingsman comes with the game. I don't think there's any in-game use for multiples at this stage.

Its not clear yet if 1 player = 1 survivor. Regardless the armour sets are meant to allow you to build better representatives of your survivors as they progress through generations and development. The extra sets are just a nice bonus that gives you the opportunity to build more variety.

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 Bacms wrote:
Does anyone knows what is the scale on those ones?

They look like at least E or F-cups.

You sir are a legend

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

 Makaleth wrote:

And at the moment, that entails:

Total Model

BASE GAME
4 -4 Starting Survivors
20 -4 Armour Kits (Lion, Rawhide, Phoenix and Leather) with 2 female and male in each (16 total)
27 -7 Monsters (Lion, Phoenix, Antelope, Butcher, Kings-men, Kings Hand, Watcher)

UPGRADES TO BASE
31 -1 Unarmored Kit with 2 female and male
35 -1 Lantern Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -1 Fur Armour Kit with 2 female and male
39 -2 Extra weapons for the Lion Armour

UPGRADES TO SURVIVOR
43 -1 Rawhide Armour Set with 2 female and male
44 -1 Plastic Phoenix
45 -1 Plastic Watcher
49 -1 Set of Phoenix Armour with 2 female and male
54 -5 Kingsmen
55 -1 Paul the Survivor

This is pretty good so far.
And more to come!

I think you're missing the second set of lion armor, as he said we'd get 8 figures in lion armor. Unless something changed.

grefven wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!

Wow, this is going really well so far.

If any Kickstarter stands a chance of beating Reaper, this is the one to do it.

And yeah, I've always seen resin as the painter's choice and plastic as the gamer's choice. Hardcore fans get one of each. I have a bunch of limited resins from various companies and there's no way they're going on the gaming table.

 Alpharius wrote:

grefven wrote:

 Makaleth wrote:
Heard Adam saying the plastic stuff painted looks almost exactly the same as the resin... I'll take his word and go plastic (with the exception of Beyond the Wall and Flower knight!)

But this is looking very nice. And still 40 days to go!

Owning several resin figures and the plastic experiment of death, my opinion is that for gaming purposes the plastic is a must (because the resin is very fragile and snaps easily because there are so thin limbs). However, for painting purposes, there is a big difference between the plastics and the resins, and comparing the plastic and resin Twilight Knight pin-up side by side, the difference is quite big.

This is only my opinion, of course, and others may or may not agree with it.

Interestingly enough, Adam himself doesn't agree with you!

Ye, don't get me wrong. The plastics is decent enough for gaming purposes, but in my opionion it cant be compared to the resin. The plastic vs resin is obviously a business decision. What will bring the most supporters aboard? The high end collectors (like myself) who would pay a little extra for the overall package or the gamers and non-collectors that feel that plastic is "good enough". Obviously, seeing how this project will reach a very high result Adam Poots has made the right decision for his business.

But... comparing the plastics to resin from a collectors and painters point of view, there IS a big difference in my opinion, and I am certain that Adam Poots will agree with me on this. I, personally, would go as far to say that the plastic version is inferior in every way to the resin one. There is also a reason to why Adam Poots has stated in this KS that he urges gamer to pick the plastic version, and I believe that he only releases resin version to please the fan-base he has created from his high-quality, beautiful art and thoughtfully packaging. I don't think that it would be needed, and that this KS would be just as successful if he ran an only plastic version.

grefven wrote:
There is also a reason to why Adam Poots has stated in this KS that he urges gamer to pick the plastic version, and I believe that he only releases resin version to please the fan-base he has created from his high-quality, beautiful art and thoughtfully packaging. I don't think that it would be needed, and that this KS would be just as successful if he ran an only plastic version.

Perhaps.

But interestingly enough, the KD Kickstarter seems to actually be winning over many people to the concept of "hand-cast resin" as the superior product, Some like Imbrian Arts are doing just that in the KD slipstream, going strong with limited release, hand-cast resin as the "premium-pledges" to go with the "core product".

And it matches the basic logic of Kickstarter quite well, which itself rides on the idea of being "in" on exclusive/limited/special stuff that "normal" customers won't get as easily. I'd recon we will see a lot more "premium resin" in future Kickstarters, not less.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Wow, this is going really well so far.

If any Kickstarter stands a chance of beating Reaper, this is the one to do it.

And yeah, I've always seen resin as the painter's choice and plastic as the gamer's choice. Hardcore fans get one of each. I have a bunch of limited resins from various companies and there's no way they're going on the gaming table.

Just out of curiosity, what makes "resin as the painter's choice and plastic as the gamer's choice"? I have several KD resin minis, but I haven't had the bravery to paint them yet, does resin take paint much better then plastic, or is this a comment on the details? I've honestly never painted a resin mini, so quite curious.

You still need to wash and prime them, I presume?

In general, resin holds detail better than plastic, which is important from a painters point of view, while plastic shrinks (very slightly) when being cast and thus can details be lost.

Plastic makes gamer's choice as resin is usually very brittle and breaks easily. Kingdom Death, in particular, have several miniatures with very slim and thin limbs that snap easily if you aren't careful, where plastic can take a more "rough" treatment without breaking.

You still need to clean and prime resin just as any other material.

If there's proof that an amazing paintjob can make a subpar model look amazing, it's Rackham.

I tihnk the injected plasics look pretty good. I do see the difference in quality when put next to the resins.

I think the difference for me is, when you get so tiny, does that matter? Or can a skilled brush make up for it.

I think it's all pretty damn awesome really.

grefven wrote:
In general, resin holds detail better than plastic, which is important from a painters point of view, while plastic shrinks (very slightly) when being cast and thus can details be lost.

Plastic makes gamer's choice as resin is usually very brittle and breaks easily. Kingdom Death, in particular, have several miniatures with very slim and thin limbs that snap easily if you aren't careful, where plastic can take a more "rough" treatment without breaking.

You still need to clean and prime resin just as any other material.

Ahh, so it's an issue of the details really.

Hmm, looking at the pictures of the plastics so far, like this kitbash fellow;



I could have sworn there was a comparison shot of the twilight knight pin-up in resin and plastic, but looking through the updates I can't see it... anyone know where that is?

Honestly, I really don't think my painting skills are sufficiently advanced to justify the cost of resin... and my poor nerves might not be able to take the strain in any case!

 Buzzsaw wrote:

I could have sworn there was a comparison shot of the twilight knight pin-up in resin and plastic, but looking through the updates I can't see it... anyone know where that is?

Honestly, I really don't think my painting skills are sufficiently advanced to justify the cost of resin... and my poor nerves might not be able to take the strain in any case!

Right here:

Grefven, I am sure you're right- plastics for gamers, resin for showcase painted pieces. Everybody wins

Zweischneid wrote:

grefven wrote:
There is also a reason to why Adam Poots has stated in this KS that he urges gamer to pick the plastic version, and I believe that he only releases resin version to please the fan-base he has created from his high-quality, beautiful art and thoughtfully packaging. I don't think that it would be needed, and that this KS would be just as successful if he ran an only plastic version.

Perhaps.

But interestingly enough, the KD Kickstarter seems to actually be winning over many people to the concept of "hand-cast resin" as the superior product, Some like Imbrian Arts are doing just that in the KD slipstream, going strong with limited release, hand-cast resin as the "premium-pledges" to go with the "core product".

And it matches the basic logic of Kickstarter quite well, which itself rides on the idea of being "in" on exclusive/limited/special stuff that "normal" customers won't get as easily. I'd recon we will see a lot more "premium resin" in future Kickstarters, not less.

I think it's interesting you pulled the IA example, because in one of his posts Jody Siegel said that the plastics he's creating are just as good as the resin. I believe IA is going with Trollcast, which sounds like it's putting out a very high quality plastic though.

Chemical Cutthroat wrote:If there's proof that an amazing paintjob can make a subpar model look amazing, it's Rackham.

I tihnk the injected plasics look pretty good. I do see the difference in quality when put next to the resins.

I think the difference for me is, when you get so tiny, does that matter? Or can a skilled brush make up for it.

I think it's all pretty damn awesome really.

The feel I got from one of Adam Poots' posts was that it's pretty much a skilled brush type of thing, or just really appreciating very fine craftsmanship. It's not that the plastics are bad, I imagine they're going to be great. It's just that they're being compared against the amazing resin models.