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2012/11/30 14:54:28
Subject: Rare Earth magnet toys banned in Australia... but our uses are OK (Apparently)
Subject edited for clarification... in hindsight, now we have some clarification from government (see page 3)
Mik
This message was edited 3 times. Last update was at 2012/12/09 05:10:51
Stress… is when you wake up screaming and realise you haven't fallen asleep yet.
It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
I don't know why it needs to be a permament ban on all...
Just make it so they legally need a warning, and can't be sold to under 13s? (hell, 16 or 18 even). Just seems a little heavy handed to me.
Fenriswulf wrote: Only the toy ones are being restricted, such as Bucky Balls.
Rare earth magnets sold as themselves not as a toy but just as a magnet won't be restricted for sale at all.
Ok, this makes a bit more sense.
However, I do agree with the sentiment of all the other comments....totally.
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Competition and Consumer Act 2010 - Consumer Protection Notice No. 5 of 2012 - Imposition of Permanent Ban on Small, High Powered Magnets
Interpretation
Construction or modelling kit
This ban is subject to the definition of consumer goods provided in section 2 of the Australian Consumer Law. This means that a construction or modelling kit containing small high powered magnets which is not used, or likely to be used, for personal, domestic or household use will not be subject to this permanent ban.
Mik
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It is not necessary to understand things in order to argue about them.
I heard that Australia is, in the interest of public safety, also making it mandatory for adults to wear helmets and bright colored clothing at all times.
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This ban is subject to the definition of consumer goods provided in section 2 of the Australian Consumer Law. This means that a construction or modelling kit containing small high powered magnets which is not used, or likely to be used, for personal, domestic or household use will not be subject to this permanent ban.
Mik
Easy, magnets which aren't used in a kit for personal, domestic or household use aren't subject to the ban. I am expecting that this is mainly for kits used for architectural design or things of that nature, where kids are not likely to be found.
As GW and pretty much all other kits I have bought don't include rare earth magnets, we'll be just fine.
I heard that Australia is, in the interest of public safety, also making it mandatory for adults to wear helmets and bright colored clothing at all times.
Sucks to be you guys!
Hilarious. Coming from the ultra-litigious society in regards to just about everything, that's high praise.
But please, be my guest and eat as many rare earth magnets as you like. I mean if the Government is against it, it must mean it's good for you, right?
I've heard nothing about any magnet-related deaths/serious injuries involving children in the past few years, so I'm not quite sure what prompted the government to bring in this law. And it's so typically Australian too; completely banning them instead of just regulating them.
I don't think this impacts anyone in our community one bit. It isn't banning them for sale as magnets, just specific items with magnets.
Unless you were getting your magnets from toys, nothing seems to impact buying a bunch of magnets for magnets sake.
And Magnets are dangerous for kids. If you swallow 1, it is a normal thing. You swallow 2, they can tear through your internal organs. We had one happen near us where a kid had swallowed some of those balls for the construction toy and they pinched off part of her intestines and ruptured them.
My kids can choke on legos like I did.
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Sounds like you can still get them but it's illegal to sell them for modelling purposes. You'll just have to switch to a different supplier. I'm all for keeping these things away from children, but banning adults from using them for modelling is offensively heavy handed.
I've heard that rare earth magnets are responsible for over 60% of gunshot killings.
I would agree with Fenriswulf that if the magnets are sold for the purpose of attaching paper sheets to a magnetic pinboard, to take an example, then they do not fall under the regulations.
In other words, bare magnets by themselves are not banned, only magnets that are part of a model kit, etc.
IANAL, of course.
This does screw Chapter House's combi weapon for 40K kits, of course.
Kilkrazy wrote: I've heard that rare earth magnets are responsible for over 60% of gunshot killings.
I would agree with Fenriswulf that if the magnets are sold for the purpose of attaching paper sheets to a magnetic pinboard, to take an example, then they do not fall under the regulations.
In other words, bare magnets by themselves are not banned, only magnets that are part of a model kit, etc.
IANAL, of course.
This does screw Chapter House's combi weapon for 40K kits, of course.
I suspect hobby stores would have trouble selling even bare magnets, since they are obviously "supplied for use" in a modelling kit. I suppose you could argue it the other way though. Small time stores might not want to risk the fines.
Kilkrazy wrote: I would agree with Fenriswulf that if the magnets are sold for the purpose of attaching paper sheets to a magnetic pinboard, to take an example, then they do not fall under the regulations.
In other words, bare magnets by themselves are not banned, only magnets that are part of a model kit, etc.
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typical ones on pinboards, fridges etc are not rare earth (so much weaker), and so not anywhere as likely to pinch/pull through the intestines so while kids can eat them it's pretty unlikely to kill them
Buying magnets separately to use in a kit isn't going to be illegal. And there aren't that many hobby stores which sell them here in Australia. Cheaper to get them off ebay.
Magnets being sold as groups of magnets for the purpose of being magnets can be sold. They can't be sold if they are intended to be used as a toy. Simple as that.
2012/11/30 16:29:29
Subject: Re:Rare Earth magnets banned in Australia
Fenriswulf wrote: Buying magnets separately to use in a kit isn't going to be illegal. And there aren't that many hobby stores which sell them here in Australia. Cheaper to get them off ebay.
Magnets being sold as groups of magnets for the purpose of being magnets can be sold. They can't be sold if they are intended to be used as a toy. Simple as that.
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/997517/fromItemId/997511 wrote:
are marketed by the supplier as, or supplied for use as any of the following:
...
a construction or modelling kit
You buy modeling kits. Marketing the magnets for use with modeling kits is illegal.
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2012/11/30 16:40:46
Subject: Re:Rare Earth magnets banned in Australia
Although, this does open up a market for someone to be the Al Capone of rare earth magnets.
I've already considered smuggling the models themselves, might as well add some magnets and other hobby supplies.
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Kilkrazy wrote: I've heard that rare earth magnets are responsible for over 60% of gunshot killings.
I would agree with Fenriswulf that if the magnets are sold for the purpose of attaching paper sheets to a magnetic pinboard, to take an example, then they do not fall under the regulations.
In other words, bare magnets by themselves are not banned, only magnets that are part of a model kit, etc.
IANAL, of course.
This does screw Chapter House's combi weapon for 40K kits, of course.
I suspect hobby stores would have trouble selling even bare magnets, since they are obviously "supplied for use" in a modelling kit. I suppose you could argue it the other way though. Small time stores might not want to risk the fines.
I am sure you are right, however mail order is the way to sell magnets. They are a pretty specialist item for a model shop to carry.
So in a country where many of the indigenous land animals are actively trying to kill you, much of the indigenous sea life is also actively trying to kill you, the forests & bush randomly catches fire and tries and kill you, droughts are trying to dessicate you and backwoods murderers and bunyips are thirsting for your blood, high powered magnets are the problem?
I'm not buying it, I'm going to force feed children boxes of K'nex to test the validity of their argument. Let project 'magnapoo' commence.
2012/11/30 16:56:27
Subject: Re:Rare Earth magnets banned in Australia
Fenriswulf wrote: Buying magnets separately to use in a kit isn't going to be illegal. And there aren't that many hobby stores which sell them here in Australia. Cheaper to get them off ebay.
Magnets being sold as groups of magnets for the purpose of being magnets can be sold. They can't be sold if they are intended to be used as a toy. Simple as that.
http://www.productsafety.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/997517/fromItemId/997511 wrote:
are marketed by the supplier as, or supplied for use as any of the following:
...
a construction or modelling kit
You buy modeling kits. Marketing the magnets for use with modeling kits is illegal.
Says "a construction or modelling kit". Magnets bought separately which are not labelled as being a toy construction or modelling kit will be fine. Buying rare earth magnets as themselves and then adding them into your own kit later is perfectly fine.
I am thinking some of you guys are being deliberately dense so as to troll me, so if you can't figure it out from here, you need more help. Have you considered the healing properties of magnets?*
*magnets used as healing devices not actually guaranteed to heal in any way shape or form. Especially if you swallow them.
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2012/11/30 17:15:29
Subject: Re:Rare Earth magnets banned in Australia
