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I like the new model reveal tonite thank you for keeping me interested in this ks. Please show one of those vehicles from the artwork.

That is a nice piece of preview art...

Sunfury Overlord Gith Koreg - Upgraded with the massive HAVOK frame nicknamed the Anvil, Gith is as an indomitable a foe as you will encounter. His size combined with his battlefield prowess makes him a priority target.

Overlord Gith is an Overlord option for an Ordhren force. Armed with a fearsome Heavy Vulcan and a massive M92 Plated Shield, Gith is capable of shrugging off even the heaviest Thonian weapons.

Sad to see it drop in pledges, I hope it gets boosted back soon.

True, but the standard for campaigns to be "successful" is so insanely high now. This is funded, and still at close to 50K... that's pretty darn good.

Will be interesting to see if it'll boost up again at the end (I think so).

 RiTides wrote:
True, but the standard for campaigns to be "successful" is so insanely high now. This is funded, and still at close to 50K... that's pretty darn good.

Will be interesting to see if it'll boost up again at the end (I think so).

I suppose

But I dont like it when we reach a stretch goal, and then the pledge amount goes below that stretch goal. Depending on the KS that could invalidate the stretch. Could use some official words though to see what the policy is for this one

 Alpharius wrote:

It is quite stalled now.

It needs something quick to boost it along, or we might see some significant bleed off... which would be a shame!

Part of that may be due to the stealth removal of minis that led to pledges getting pulled. I don't follow this thread daily but rather maybe twice a week and my check in today on the kickstarter (which should really be linked in the OP) revealed some changes to the core box. While the changes were listed a few pages back, I didn't see anyone comment surprisingly about the loss of the Obi Wan looking Vakon mini which is now replaced with something completely different. I don't know if people didn't notice it here on dakka or if they just don't care as much as I do but I actually really liked the look of that mini.

 warboss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

It is quite stalled now.

It needs something quick to boost it along, or we might see some significant bleed off... which would be a shame!

Part of that may be due to the stealth removal of minis that led to pledges getting pulled. I don't follow this thread daily but rather maybe twice a week and my check in today on the kickstarter (which should really be linked in the OP) revealed some changes to the core box. While the changes were listed a few pages back, I didn't see anyone comment surprisingly about the loss of the Obi Wan looking Vakon mini which is now replaced with something completely different. I don't know if people didn't notice it here on dakka or if they just don't care as much as I do but I actually really liked the look of that mini.

Nothing has been changed or removed. Vakon is in the image and the Core Contents have not changed except for adding new models.

Okidan_Champion wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

It is quite stalled now.

It needs something quick to boost it along, or we might see some significant bleed off... which would be a shame!

Part of that may be due to the stealth removal of minis that led to pledges getting pulled. I don't follow this thread daily but rather maybe twice a week and my check in today on the kickstarter (which should really be linked in the OP) revealed some changes to the core box. While the changes were listed a few pages back, I didn't see anyone comment surprisingly about the loss of the Obi Wan looking Vakon mini which is now replaced with something completely different. I don't know if people didn't notice it here on dakka or if they just don't care as much as I do but I actually really liked the look of that mini.

Nothing has been changed or removed. Vakon is in the image and the Core Contents have not changed except for adding new models.

The Obi-Wan-ish below was previously the only single fig shown on pics for that faction... that is now apparently the Tau Ethereal-ish circled pic in the current core set picture. Is there something about the removal of the first mini and the addition of the second style circled mini that I'm missing? It seems to me that the mini for Vakon has drastically changed.

Actually, that's the same guy. One is just showing the prototype while the newer one is showing artwork. I think he might have a different head, but that could just be an option.

Still no word on options for the Fireborn though?

 Barzam wrote:
Actually, that's the same guy. One is just showing the prototype while the newer one is showing artwork. I think he might have a different head, but that could just be an option.

Could be. The new pic is somewhat low res but the head, shoulders, and robe look different and the weapon is on the other arm. Could it just be a difference between concept art versus production model? It's possible... but it's frankly a bit confusing. I doubt I'm the only one that thinks it changed judging from the recent pledge trends (especially when so much else on the pics changed as well like the warrior women and light frame robots and the heavy robot on the right side). The contents could definitely use some clarification as well as higher res pics of the core contents that stay consistent from update to update (either stick with concept art OR prototype figs but don't flip flop between them).

 kenshin620 wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
True, but the standard for campaigns to be "successful" is so insanely high now. This is funded, and still at close to 50K... that's pretty darn good.

Will be interesting to see if it'll boost up again at the end (I think so).

I suppose

But I dont like it when we reach a stretch goal, and then the pledge amount goes below that stretch goal. Depending on the KS that could invalidate the stretch. Could use some official words though to see what the policy is for this one

As written if the KS ends with less cash than needed to get a stretch (even if it had been reached, but pledges fell back) a company would not need to fulfill it

now many would (especially if there was not much of a shortfall), but depending on thier margins you don't want to bank on it

(some even allow post KS funding (like Mierce), or funding via paypal for those who can't do Amazon payments to count towards stretches, but again that's the exception, not the rule)

@Warboss It's the same guy; all the model pictures were changed to concept art with the change of the info-graphic.

Ah, thanks. It might be a good idea to have a larger pic displayed or at least a link to one for the all important core contents pic somewhere at the top of the kickstarter as for casual fence sitter like me. I recognized the honor guard concept art as the same one posted with the initial 3d renders of the model that differ from each other but not that one. The flip from actual minis to concept art combined with such low res pics is a bit jarring.

I think I'm going to drop my early bird core box. I can post a time if anyone is interested in scooping it up. I like the concept and the models, but my finances just won't let me justify spending $75 right now, especially if I won't get anything from it for nearly a year.

Good luck, Thon.

Unfortunately, or fortunately, there's quite a few 'early birds' left as well as various exclusive levels...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I think I'm going to drop my early bird core box. I can post a time if anyone is interested in scooping it up.

They are currently in good supply, these early birds. And another one is coming up in a few minutes

The game seems to have a good vibe and some future. Had its pre-production efforts met with GoA pedigree, it would have been a show of the year. But good luck anyway.

Does the $75 level include shipping? It says under the pledge to add $25 for shipping outside of the US but then the shipping faq has a blanket statement to add $25 shipping apparently for everyone. So is it $100 total for that level within the US and $125 outside of it?

25$ is for outside US only.

Okidan_Champion wrote:
25$ is for outside US only.

So does the $75 include shipping then for the core set within the US? Thanks for the quick reply in either case.

I think it includes shipping- there was confusion over the wording of that on a previous page and it was answered (hopefully someone can verify).

Now its dipped down to 48k

With the krosmaster KS up I might drop my early bird for that......

So, just to make sure before I add some funds, $15 gets me two of the Ranger models? Am I reading that right?

 forrestfire wrote:
So, just to make sure before I add some funds, $15 gets me two of the Ranger models? Am I reading that right?

Yes, so you'll have a total of 4 if you get a basic box+add on

Uh oh...




THON has everything going for it - awesome previews, good pre-launch hype, a nice start of KS, great looking miniatures.

What the heck is happening?

Bad timing vs. other Kickstarters?

The "Scale Issue"?

Something else?

I think bad timing plus the "Scale Issue".

The latter is why I haven't pledged yet.

Yup. Sure is nose diving right now, its at 46.5k as of this minute

 Alpharius wrote:
Uh oh...

THON has everything going for it - awesome previews, good pre-launch hype, a nice start of KS, great looking miniatures.

What the heck is happening?

Bad timing vs. other Kickstarters?

The "Scale Issue"?

Something else?

It is quite surprising. Some KS's like the Gates of Anteres one that felt basically like vaporware (asking for tons of money based on a name and one mustached fig) but this one has reasonable goals and nice work to show. I really like the design and aesthetic of the universe which reminds me of a more brutal Mass Effect. The only reason I haven't pledged is that I've been burned before with buying games only to have no one to play against so I promised myself that I'd only support one game that isn't locally played at a time (currently Heavy Gear).

I don't think the timing on this is bad but I do think the scale of the figs will turn some people off. Having unarmored figs tower over spacemarines (the default scifi comparison fig) in height means that they're not going to look appropriate next to them or terrain designed for them. It also means that they'll look like giants next to the other popular lines that are more realistically proportioned like the old star wars minis, the upcoming warzone, and infinity. That added size is also a factor in the sticker shock people are seeing when they look at those future MSPRs. Its difficult enough for GW to charge $25 for a single character figure and they're the big boys on the market and not a new startup. The telltale 3d printing lines on the figs shown as well as the renders posted seem to indicate that the entire line is being done digitially which means that rescaling is a just a few mouse clicks away. That would cut down on some of the visible detail but I think lots of fans would appreciate being able to use the figs with other realistically proportioned lines (Infinity, Star Wars, etc) as well as knowing tnat future releases won't scare off potential players with high prices.

Then there are the shipping issues. Its needs to be explicitly stated how much shipping is and only mentioned under the shipping part of the FAQ. Right now there are mentions of $25 shipping ONLY if international, $25 shipping for everyone based on $50 shipping costs that will be split, and $25 shipping for additional boxes sets only. I'm extrapolating off of the owners brief post here that the $75 in the early bird offer for the core set INCLUDES shipping within the United States but I certainly don't get that from the Kickstarter nor am I 100% sure of it. If the cost were $5-10, I don't think people would mind the ambiguity so much but it's $25 instead. Then there is the recent switch from actual figs shown to low res concept art that likely led people to think the minis changed as well.

I think the scale is a big issue, but the timing couldn't be worse:

Zombicide Season 2
Mutant Chronicles Warzone Ressurection
HellDorado
Wild West Exodus

and now the newbies:

Drake
Krosmaster
Imperius Rex

Thats TON of miniatures based games competing for the same niche market.

Nice post, Warboss. Could also consider burnout as well. There have been a lot of juicy kickstarters starting and finishing lately that we may be reaching the point of burnout - we can't buy any more minis because of a lack of cash, we already have a set that look similar or we've dropped a load of cash over the past six months and we're still waiting for goodies to arrive.

When a similar looking kickstarter starts, we are immediately excited and pledge only for us to get all logical and think "Actually, I already have X and they look pretty similar. Come to think of it, I won't be seeing them for a fair few months and I'll need to paint them as well. Nah, can't justify this, so I'm pulling out..."

I think more and more people are just pledging at at rather high level as soon as a KS they might be even remotely interested in

even if they have no real intention to go through with it, and so as they run toward the middle/end you see far more pull outs

I'd be really interested in some real numbers for this