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 Skriker wrote:

 rabid1903 wrote:
I never tend to care about lost models unless it's just ridiculous or I lose a whole squad. Even then I tend to just laugh it off.

Two examples:
-The very first time I used a librarian with my Raven Guard army, he got perils on one power and failed the other. Starting off strong!

I got over losses back during 2nd edition Space Marine. In a 6000point a side game we had no less than 4 sets of 3 cannon of khorne each. For those not in the know cannon of khorne had a randomly rolled strength with a 1 in 6 chance of misfiring and blowing themselves up. On our first turn our side proceeded to fire with all 4 units in series. At the end of rolling for the last unit there were 3 cannon left out of the initial 12 and we hadn't destroyed or even hit anything other than our own 9 cannon. The whole room laughed for about 20 minutes straight on that one. After that, though, nothing else ever came close to the insanity so I never got bugged by losses again.

Skriker

Oh god that just reminded me of the the last Apoc game I played in. It was 7500 points a side and I got to bring out my shiny Dominatrix. My friend took a vortex grenade as a strategic asset, because he just thought they were hilarious. He runs out with some lone guy in the face of the full health-wound regenerating Dominatrix and chucks the nade. It then proceeds to chase the Dominatrix for the next two movement phases, scattering 11" to keep up with her. Needless to say, she got a single round of shooting off before my 1750 point centerpiece was sucked into a mini black hole. Best part is the vortex grenade vanished after that.

Talk about efficiency haha.

 rabid1903 wrote:


Oh god that just reminded me of the the last Apoc game I played in. It was 7500 points a side and I got to bring out my shiny Dominatrix. My friend took a vortex grenade as a strategic asset, because he just thought they were hilarious. He runs out with some lone guy in the face of the full health-wound regenerating Dominatrix and chucks the nade. It then proceeds to chase the Dominatrix for the next two movement phases, scattering 11" to keep up with her. Needless to say, she got a single round of shooting off before my 1750 point centerpiece was sucked into a mini black hole. Best part is the vortex grenade vanished after that.

Talk about efficiency haha.

That is the funniest fetching thing I've ever read in my entire life, even beating the Leman Russ comment "It's perfect for Space Wolves. Clunky, badly designed, and it still manages to wreck face."

Neutralista wrote:

 rabid1903 wrote:


Oh god that just reminded me of the the last Apoc game I played in. It was 7500 points a side and I got to bring out my shiny Dominatrix. My friend took a vortex grenade as a strategic asset, because he just thought they were hilarious. He runs out with some lone guy in the face of the full health-wound regenerating Dominatrix and chucks the nade. It then proceeds to chase the Dominatrix for the next two movement phases, scattering 11" to keep up with her. Needless to say, she got a single round of shooting off before my 1750 point centerpiece was sucked into a mini black hole. Best part is the vortex grenade vanished after that.

Talk about efficiency haha.

That is the funniest fetching thing I've ever read in my entire life, even beating the Leman Russ comment "It's perfect for Space Wolves. Clunky, badly designed, and it still manages to wreck face."

I aim to please

played a blood angle player like that put all his models with full up grades in his flyer when i shoot it down across impassable terrain (that he set up) it was an unfair game tile his drop pods dropped in and destroyer every thing i had. tho i suppose ive been that guy a few times seeing as i play tau i might complain a bit when a marine player starts cheering every time he kills one of my models just erk's me to no end.

It's poor sportsmanship. I suspect it has something to do with the fact that Space Marine players are on average younger and newer to the hobby than people who play other armies; growing out of blaming defeats on other people out to get you instead of acknowledging your own mistakes or poor fortune is part of growing up.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 TheCaptain wrote:

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
I don't think I've ever heard something like the OP is describing... when has anyone heard any player claim that a lasgun is over-powered? And anyone who is crying over a troop model dying is a serious mental case.

So I'm not sure the Peregrine is serious or kidding...

No one claims lasguns are overpowered. People claim guard rolling 30/40/50, even 145 (max possible in one unit) lasgun shots. That's what brings the tears.

so? that's what you get when you play IG. The Necron player in our area never cried when I charged lightning claw Terminators into his warriors. No one cries when my Doom is killing troops just from proximity. It sounds like people need to get a grip or get out of gaming. If it is getting to these guys this much that their units are dying by the advantage of their enemy or the weakness of their own army, a serious supply of prozac may have to be shipped to some game stores.

Seriously, people, this is a game...

I have actually stopped using the Doom of Malantai against my friends in our games. Was causing my eldar playing friend to teeter on the edge of madness.

i play csm and it doesnt really matter to me when i have horrible luck i go into the game knowing for a fact i cant roll worth a #!@$ lol

I know players of all armies that complain about things not just in 40k but in Fantasy as well.

For me I will admit I sometimes will be TFG depending on what happens.
My best example is that in 5th Ed I had just started using IG and my friend who mainly plays Fantasy decides to join us in 40k (he is a WAAC kind of guy, who will cheese up lists as much as possible) and he picks Vanilla SM. Pretty much whole army of as much Str8-10 and Ap 1-2 He could get in it. He gets the first turn and blows up all 3 of my Leman Russes leaving me with about 40 guys and a command squad then goes to kill half of that. Start of my turn 1 I had about 20 guys so I just packed up and quit. It was just a sad game for me and normally it's not like that.

But I also know a few guys who do nothing but complain no matter what and they ruin the fun of the game. They will get mad even when they are winning and just bitch about pretty much everything you could think of.
"Oh you are empire with a bunch of warmachines, that's so BS," says the guy who plays Dark Elves with large blocks of crossbowmen (who out range half my stuff and shoot me dead before i even get a turn).
"Your 5 man IG command squad just killed a group of Terminators in melee even though you have no special melee weapons," complains the guy who runs nothing but terminators.

I've also had my fair share of bad dice rolls as statistically I roll a 1-2 as my average so I chalk most of my stuff up to just not being lucky with dice rolls. It can be tough after awhile though when i toss out 60 dice and do 0 wounds then they toss out 10 dice and deal 9 wounds

i do find that sm players in general take more heart into the army because the fluff is that much stronger. never will you find a ork player naming his boyz, maybe his nobz but very rarely. I do find that when i sho up to a game as a ork player i expect 80% or more losses. marines walk in expecting 10% on the average super fluffy marine.

I had the fun game of playing one marine player - blood angels when the dex came out, running a assult marine list with all the fixings. Against my slugga thrakka list. I rolled very well, and managed to get the charges on him, tabling him with only 6 ork boyz lost. He was so mad he left the store, didnt come back for 3 months, and when he did come back - he had orks. that army made him humble when he returned to power armor.


I also find that guard players tend to get very upset when important units vanish. At least my roomie does as he likes to say: "I really dont want just put my guard on the table just to pick them back up in the box" i simply say - have you tried foot orks?

Y'know whats really bad? When you have tau rapid fire into the side armor of a Predator, and glance it to death.
I have done that, and they do not like it.

To the above poster, I play both IG and orks. It is frustrating to play the guys who only play marines who build a specific list just to neat you. Nothing like watching WAAC SM guy drop a pod of stern guard with heavy flamers and Melta to light up your tanks and watch you soldiers burn. Then, the ironclad comes down and torches up a squad. What am I getting at? Most sm players Taylor a list. My basic list for either army I have is the same from game to game.

It is funny to drop a few terminators to snap fire (rapid fire LASGUNS from a blob squad 30 strong) and then he fails to reach his charge distance. Priceless it was. Only to watch the remaining termis fail after FRFSRF. What was his reinsert? LASGUNS and orders are over powered. Not his 2+/3+ storm shield mobile tanks.


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What is even better when you hear the whinny SM layer brag about how good he is of a player. Then I offer him to play as guard or orks, letting him use my armies, always a somewhat polite decline. Most SM only players wouldn't know what to do without their power armor.

I dont tailor lists to bet people, I never know what im going to face so i take stuff against both hordes and Mech.

 martin74 wrote:
Most sm players Taylor a list.

That is wildly inaccurate, at least with the guys I play 40K with at the Chicago Battle Bunker, and at my FLGS.

 martin74 wrote:
To the above poster, I play both IG and orks. It is frustrating to play the guys who only play marines who build a specific list just to neat you. Nothing like watching WAAC SM guy drop a pod of stern guard with heavy flamers and Melta to light up your tanks and watch you soldiers burn. Then, the ironclad comes down and torches up a squad. What am I getting at? Most sm players Taylor a list. My basic list for either army I have is the same from game to game.

It is funny to drop a few terminators to snap fire (rapid fire LASGUNS from a blob squad 30 strong) and then he fails to reach his charge distance. Priceless it was. Only to watch the remaining termis fail after FRFSRF. What was his reinsert? LASGUNS and orders are over powered. Not his 2+/3+ storm shield mobile tanks.


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What is even better when you hear the whinny SM layer brag about how good he is of a player. Then I offer him to play as guard or orks, letting him use my armies, always a somewhat polite decline. Most SM only players wouldn't know what to do without their power armor.

Post full of vitriol about how all SM players whine, while simultaneously claiming that all SM players are idiots that only win because their stuff is OP. 7/10.

 martin74 wrote:
To the above poster, I play both IG and orks. It is frustrating to play the guys who only play marines who build a specific list just to neat you. Nothing like watching WAAC SM guy drop a pod of stern guard with heavy flamers and Melta to light up your tanks and watch you soldiers burn. Then, the ironclad comes down and torches up a squad. What am I getting at? Most sm players Taylor a list. My basic list for either army I have is the same from game to game.

It is funny to drop a few terminators to snap fire (rapid fire LASGUNS from a blob squad 30 strong) and then he fails to reach his charge distance. Priceless it was. Only to watch the remaining termis fail after FRFSRF. What was his reinsert? LASGUNS and orders are over powered. Not his 2+/3+ storm shield mobile tanks.


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What is even better when you hear the whinny SM layer brag about how good he is of a player. Then I offer him to play as guard or orks, letting him use my armies, always a somewhat polite decline. Most SM only players wouldn't know what to do without their power armor.

Hah. Except C:SM is a mediocre codex at best.

If you're facing tailors, don't tell people what list you're using.

If you're facing whiny players, don't play them.

If you're making sweeping generalizations like "most SM players tailor", and "SM players are whiners" you're being silly.

Also; saying "Sm players would be lost without Power Armor" is like saying Necrons would be lost without reanimation protocol. Probably not, but it's a big factor that makes the codex work how it does. Won't ever change.

I play all my games as fluffy as possible. I play Raven Guard and it doesn't matter what my opponent is bringing to the table, I'll stick to my fluffy list. Sure, it has a balance of heavy weapons to bring down vehicles and so on, but generally I have it all tailored to me.

As for me personally, I love it when a model in my army is destroyed or killed. If a couple of marines in my tac squad or an entire squad are wiped out, that should motivate my other marines to hit back twice as hard. It may sound like I get too involved but it keeps me motivated. If I get tabled, then screw it, I was outclassed. My guys will be avenged next time. I always play games like that, especially RPG's.

I'm playing a 40K RPG at the minute and every time one of my guys dies, I don't cry about it, I go with it, I enjoy having that sense of loss from a character I may have spent a few games building up. I love having tragedy in my games. It's what adds to the story of it all.

My best friend however plays Chaos Marines and honestly, he is one of those people that always blames everything except chance. The game is based on tactics and lucky rolls. He can rarely get his head around that, even in computer games he always blames hacks over another persons skill. I usually tell him that if he's not going to deal with it better, I'll quit and he usually shuts up and starts enjoying himself then, but I can't imagine another randomer being quite so willing to play a game with him.

I play mech vet guard at the moment, and I'll admit that each casualty I take stings. However, playing green tide Orks when I started in 2001, has gotten me used to stripping casualties away, so I usually hold my tongue and get on with it when a vet squad or a russ bites the dust.

 Ascalam wrote:

People buy in to the dung BL, Sm fluff etc shovels that one SM can destroy/purge a world just by breathing, then get butthurt when their 'indestructible' SM's bite it.

Thats EXACTLY my problem. My friend plays black templars and has read the BT novels... And every time my ork kills something of his its 'but in the books a single marine can kill an whole ork horde, wtf' ... Every single flapping time.

Dragonzord wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:

People buy in to the dung BL, Sm fluff etc shovels that one SM can destroy/purge a world just by breathing, then get butthurt when their 'indestructible' SM's bite it.

Thats EXACTLY my problem. My friend plays black templars and has read the BT novels... And every time my ork kills something of his its 'but in the books a single marine can kill an whole ork horde, wtf' ... Every single flapping time.

My brother does the same thing at times, especially with our little kill team games. we use house rules where we dont have any unit restrictions just points. he was feeling cocky one time so he brings in one terminator squad. first squad of elysians on the board kills them (no clue why i got lucky that time, never been that lucky with any other army). he whined about that no on end.

Though seriously im with him. WTF, how could i get that lucky? (i usually fail everything a 1/4 hit is a better then average roll for me on a 4+).

Some people do have problems... Ruins the game :I I am a SM player aswell. The thing is, players of Tau, Eldar, Nids, Orks, IG etc. all are 'body of corpses' type of armies, while Space Marines don't die in fluff. But it would be unfair to just have SM players to have 'a squad of 4 SMs' adding a Tactical, Devastator, Assault, and maybe a captain or something. People need to accept the fact that they need to make it even, budget wise too. Pretty much telling the world 'buy 3 space marines for 100 bucks while every other army pays thousands'. Those players should just stick to DOW mods like Movie Marines for DC and SW or DOWII with Brothers of the Fourth.

Would you rather play against whiners or noone at all? Just a thought

Given those two choices, no-one.

If i'm not enjoying the game i'd rather be alone, and painting.

Neutralista wrote:
Would you rather play against whiners or noone at all? Just a thought

No one at all.

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I played a 2v2 with My Orks (I decided to try a biker army for this game) + A Friend's Foot-IG (We filled the deployment!) vs. Vanilla Marines and Tau.

Through the whole game, I heard comments about how stupid/broken 40k is, including:

2" Coherency is dumb! It should be 1"!

(The IG Lascannons blew up a small bunker that had a really expensive devastator squad in it, killing them all).
The response: Ugh! The building rules are stupid!

Bike warfare is stupid and doesn't make sense in the 41st millenium!

My Land Raider Redeemer ignores the cover on your Warbikes! They'll be dead in know time! (1 Bike squad shot and assaulted 2 tac squads to death while a single biker nob attempted to break the LRR, but failed. The nob then proceeded to survive 1 of its flamers, its multi-melta, a combi-melta shot from an SM commander, and then finally died from an assault by 4 LC terminators (2 of which died with the nob). Then I had to hear about how great his terminators were for killing the Nob...

His Stormtalon comes in, and has to use everything it has to blow up my Dakkajet. I then have to listen to the math about how the Stormtalon is SOOOO much better than my flyer. This is followed by a mini-lecture on how flyers don't belong in 40k.

The worst example I have had to face was recently and thankfully the guy is not a regular so I probably wont be seeing him anytime soon, probably the next tournament which is later this month! :

-He ran Space Wolves (easily one of if not the most popular army at my FLGS besides Necrons now that 6th is out) against my Elysian IG using the Imperial Armor 8 rules (I asked him before the game and he said it was okay that I did).

-He had the standard Thunderwolf Cav spam backed up by Grey Hunters in Rhinos all rushing towards me, every single one was kitted out with storm shields and either plasma guns or some sort of nasty CC weapon. (Will be honest, the only thing about SM's in general I have any complaint about is Storm Shields, should be much more pricy to get then they are but thats just IMOP). He also had two packs of Long fangs with Missile Launchers.

-I run them as pure Vets with x3 plasma guns and grenadiers (Vets so I have to buy less of them since FW models are insanely expensive, x3 Plasma guns because they are the all around best weapon in regards to fighting infantry and vehicles and Grenadiers to fit the fluff of my army). I state that to show that I am not doing it to be a cheese, tailoring my list kind of player, I run the same thing everytime to fit my armies fluff.

-Thanks to my deepstrike rules that my infantry and drop sentinels get from the book my Plasma vets as well as Drop Sentinels (w/ Multi Meltas) were able to destroy his rhinos and do alot of damage to his Grey Hunters. His Thundercav block was being a tough nut to crack and his Long Fangs made mincemeat of my Drop Sentinels.

-Thats when my Flyers came in in the form of x2 Vendetta Gunships and x2 Vulture Gunships with a TL Punisher Cannon each (I lose all tanks for the Vultures). Needless to say I was able to take down his his Thunderwolf Cav very fast and my drop vets took out his long fangs giving me the win (I still lost both Vendettas and a Vulture).

-After the game he lost it, ranting about how Forgeworld is OP (its not), How Imperial Guard should not be allowed to deepstrike anyone, Vulture Gunships were cheese (I pay a little more points for a Flyer and lose all the treaded vehicles in the standard IG codex, they are not cheese) and that Sentinels should never be allowed Multi-Meltas as they are a Space Marine weapon only. He then went on to say that I tailored (which other players in the store defended me and said I hadnt), and then stated at least he played an army that actually took SKILL to play as .

Now I do have to say I have come across a higher concentration of players like this who play a power armor army, however that doesnt mean that they all do and by no means they are all the worst (that honor belongs to a Dark Eldar player who said my Chaos Space Marine Thousand Son army was cheese when they had their old book!) I feel that alot of it is because they are Space Marines which are an easy army to get into and it attracts alot of new and younger players into the game. Also along with that I feel that GW catering to them as much as they do may give the wrong message to some in the form of some entightlement that they should win because they are Space Marines.

 gmaleron wrote:
The worst example I have had to face was recently and thankfully the guy is not a regular so I probably wont be seeing him anytime soon, probably the next tournament which is later this month! :

-He ran Space Wolves (easily one of if not the most popular army at my FLGS besides Necrons now that 6th is out) against my Elysian IG using the Imperial Armor 8 rules (I asked him before the game and he said it was okay that I did).

-He had the standard Thunderwolf Cav spam backed up by Grey Hunters in Rhinos all rushing towards me, every single one was kitted out with storm shields and either plasma guns or some sort of nasty CC weapon. (Will be honest, the only thing about SM's in general I have any complaint about is Storm Shields, should be much more pricy to get then they are but thats just IMOP). He also had two packs of Long fangs with Missile Launchers.

-I run them as pure Vets with x3 plasma guns and grenadiers (Vets so I have to buy less of them since FW models are insanely expensive, x3 Plasma guns because they are the all around best weapon in regards to fighting infantry and vehicles and Grenadiers to fit the fluff of my army). I state that to show that I am not doing it to be a cheese, tailoring my list kind of player, I run the same thing everytime to fit my armies fluff.

-Thanks to my deepstrike rules that my infantry and drop sentinels get from the book my Plasma vets as well as Drop Sentinels (w/ Multi Meltas) were able to destroy his rhinos and do alot of damage to his Grey Hunters. His Thundercav block was being a tough nut to crack and his Long Fangs made mincemeat of my Drop Sentinels.

-Thats when my Flyers came in in the form of x2 Vendetta Gunships and x2 Vulture Gunships with a TL Punisher Cannon each (I lose all tanks for the Vultures). Needless to say I was able to take down his his Thunderwolf Cav very fast and my drop vets took out his long fangs giving me the win (I still lost both Vendettas and a Vulture).

-After the game he lost it, ranting about how Forgeworld is OP (its not), How Imperial Guard should not be allowed to deepstrike anyone, Vulture Gunships were cheese (I pay a little more points for a Flyer and lose all the treaded vehicles in the standard IG codex, they are not cheese) and that Sentinels should never be allowed Multi-Meltas as they are a Space Marine weapon only. He then went on to say that I tailored (which other players in the store defended me and said I hadnt), and then stated at least he played an army that actually took SKILL to play as .

Now I do have to say I have come across a higher concentration of players like this who play a power armor army, however that doesnt mean that they all do and by no means they are all the worst (that honor belongs to a Dark Eldar player who said my Chaos Space Marine Thousand Son army was cheese when they had their old book!) I feel that alot of it is because they are Space Marines which are an easy army to get into and it attracts alot of new and younger players into the game. Also along with that I feel that GW catering to them as much as they do may give the wrong message to some in the form of some entightlement that they should win because they are Space Marines.

On the bright side, you have the support of your fellow gamers in your defense against TFG. Though, I personally would have gone off on him and present fluffy reasons why the IG get MM (because they are a HUMAN weapon) and get deep striking, as well as give him the FW rules to educate himself. The last part won't do much good, probably, given how humans like that are (I've done a small study on people like that using my fellow students at my school as my sample), but it would make me feel better.

Some of my favorite moments in gaming are when things are going catastrophically. But I have to be in the right mood for it.

I like the pointless slaughter where no one really gains any ground, they just keep throwing their forces into the grinder. Like a Starcraft game I played with my brother on a map with virtually unlimited resources. We eventually decided to send just masses and masses of our basic melee units at each other, after we discovered that the Protoss "artillery" were easily capable of massacring anything the Zerg could send at them on land. The game lasted three hours before we got disconnected from the LAN. 10,000 dead Zerg. 2,000 dead Protoss. Neither of us was able to advance very far - the line of scrimmage moved up and down the map between our bases throughout the whole game.

It was the most awesome game of Starcraft I've ever played.

If it was a completely one-sided fight, I wouldn't enjoy that kind of slaughter so much. But I very much enjoy it when both sides are getting slaughtered and are unable to finish it.

Reading my own thoughts here makes me wonder why I don't enjoy playing Imperial Guard more...

Also, came across this comic years ago, was looking for it to post it here. ^^

http://v.cdn.cad-comic.com/comics/cad-20061108-b2436.jpg