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I would rarely field more than 20-25 TDAs if I wanted to have a few models to round out some of the weaknesses inherent to Deathwing.

But having them in an army that does not need to include Belial, or at least give him more option choices... that would be sweet. Squads of more than five would be nice too... please?

 plastictrees wrote:
Oh snap, and there's Super Deathwing now.

The LANDSPEEDER VENGEANCE looks slightly better with the twin plasmacannons. I guess the other version launches weaponised religion at the enemy.

Greatest comment ever, going in sig...

If I remember right it was a 7-11 (so a big chain newsagent/supermarket)

so they may get an embargo for fututre white dwarfs, but they won't sell other GW stuff anyway

and if they are not supplied with mags for 6 months I'd bet they'll just drop it so whether GW will want that to happen?

I kinda hope it does happen honestly, it's always funny to watch people do stupid things because of pride.

...err, well...maybe not "pride" so much, but anyway, not having WD in 7/11 would probably be bad for them, that's one of the few places where it would actually do its job and sell the hobby to someone who isn't already sold on it.

As far as having only some of the death wing on the battlefield and being lead by someone other then Belial it could just be that the rest of the death wing is involved in the attack but they are coming in on the other side of the city. With over 100 men in walking tank armor they would need to spread out to make sure the target couldn't just slip past them and make the whole attack a waste of time. And then if they happened to have several fallen on the same planet but no the same location they would need to launch several assaults for sure. In other words let me not need Belial or make him not suck so much.

"Hey, 7/11, a world-recognised convenience store chain ten times bigger than we'll ever be, you're not getting any more WD's!"
"Getting our what's any more? Oh, those things."
"You're not getting any for 6 months!"
"Ok. Whatever you say dude. I forgot those things even existed."


Yeah. 7/11's gonna get told.

 White Ninja wrote:
As far as having only some of the death wing on the battlefield and being lead by someone other then Belial it could just be that the rest of the death wing is involved in the attack but they are coming in on the other side of the city. With over 100 men in walking tank armor they would need to spread out to make sure the target couldn't just slip past them and make the whole attack a waste of time. And then if they happened to have several fallen on the same planet but no the same location they would need to launch several assaults for sure. In other words let me not need Belial or make him not suck so much.

My biggest concern is that while he will likely be an awesome beat stick now, he will most assuredly cost a lot more than his current cheap as chips price tag. Which will be a price hike to Deathwing armies along with the inevitable price hike on storm shields and cyclone missile launchers. I wouldn't be surprised if we are looking at around 16 models in a 1500 point force whereas I could do 22 terminators at 1250 right now with points to spare.

You mean you don't already have all three Belials modelled? I I were a better painter, I'd submit my collection of Belials to a Golden Daemon as the Hall of Armor or something like that.

Frankly, I can't wait! I've been struggling with Warhammer (hard mode) now for three years. Can't wait to see the new book and models. They might help my collection of the Deathwing become even cooler!

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Mixing the Tactical and Assault aspects of the DW into single squads was truly an awesome divergence,

...Or more accurately, separating Terminator squads into tactical and assault aspects was an annoying divergence by non-Dark Angel marines in 3rd edition.

Flame Boy wrote:

 MightyGodzilla wrote:
Mixing the Tactical and Assault aspects of the DW into single squads was truly an awesome divergence,

...Or more accurately, separating Terminator squads into tactical and assault aspects was an annoying divergence by non-Dark Angel marines in 3rd edition.

Kind of splitting hairs there. The separate entries for TDA assault and tactical follows the way they did it for powered armored marines, and was quite "working as intended" since the inception of TDAs. On a side note, if you were to go back far enough edition wise if you had more than one tactical squad of PAs they would all have to be armed identically.....lolz. Since "back in the day" marines have been becoming more and more divergent...as that's what makes them different from one another.

It wasn't until the 4th edition 2007 DA Codex terminator entry that GW gave DA TDAs a special rule to acknowledge the DW uniqueness in a rules sort of way. I think it went over awesomely. Prior to the 2007 DA codex I think all of the marine TDA entries were split into tactical and assault, except for the Wolfguard terminators (I vividly recall a good friend saying he could field as an army 12 Wolfguard in TDA with missile launchers or somesuch). The vanilla marines were still shootier because their tactical terminators had a 2 heavy weapon option per squad with a size of 5 to 10 man resulting in people taking minimum sized units with 2 heavy weapons. Poor playtesting -I mean you'd have to be daft not to see that coming, but they put that right in their 5th ed codex.

Elios Harg wrote:My biggest concern is that while he will likely be an awesome beat stick now, he will most assuredly cost a lot more than his current cheap as chips price tag. Which will be a price hike to Deathwing armies along with the inevitable price hike on storm shields and cyclone missile launchers. I wouldn't be surprised if we are looking at around 16 models in a 1500 point force whereas I could do 22 terminators at 1250 right now with points to spare.

Valid point. Belial was always a considered HQ for me as I like cheap commanders. I just hope he's not necessary to unlock termies as troops choices - I feel that for this codex that TDAs should be troops choices instead of elites without a special unlocking HQ as the DA have so many TDA armors available to them.

Though, will the Knights be Elites? Or are they options for troops? Could I take them as elites with normal Termies for troops?

Gah I need more bloody troop slots... I currently run two Tac squads and four Terminator squads when I do a full "drop" with my Angels successors. I have ten more awesome counts as termies coming courtesy of DFG and the Eisenkern kickstarter... so if I can run the Knights as elites, then run full terminator... 36 models in terminator armor counting Belial. Probably more if I add a TA interrogator chaplain or librarian.

Who cares about terminators...all I want to know is will Sammael be needed to unlock my bikes!?

*Cricket* *Cricket*

I knew no one plays ravenwing

 Volkov wrote:
Who cares about terminators...all I want to know is will Sammael be needed to unlock my bikes!?

*Cricket* *Cricket*

I knew no one plays ravenwing

Not Yey, but Soon

Not Yey, but Soon

You know though...I like being one of very few. Someone posted earlier saying they have 3000 points of Ravenwing, in which case he is the first person I have known other than me, and I started playing them back when the 3rd edition dark angel codex launched in 1997

 Volkov wrote:

Not Yey, but Soon

You know though...I like being one of very few. Someone posted earlier saying they have 3000 points of Ravenwing, in which case he is the first person I have known other than me, and I started playing them back when the 3rd edition dark angel codex launched in 1997

I have actualy bought two of the Revanwing Battleforce Kits to make my Swiftclaws, but i might comvert them back to Ravenwing, Though I am going to leave thrree of the Land Speeders with my Space Wolves.

I have Sammael on jetbike and speeder, 3 full RAS and a full RSS worth of speeders. I just haven't used them for much beyond support for my Deathwing of late. Oh I guess it's 4 RAS now since I got my Dark Vengeance sets.

That was me with the 3300 point ravenwing army. I also started mine in third edition. And like you I like not seeing anyone else using that army. That's half the reason I started it. I like how my ravens play right now. I'll probably only be getting the flyers. Maybe the plasma bikes.

yellowfever wrote:
That was me with the 3300 point ravenwing army. I also started mine in third edition. And like you I like not seeing anyone else using that army. That's half the reason I started it. I like how my ravens play right now. I'll probably only be getting the flyers. Maybe the plasma bikes.

Same situation here, I've got 3-4 squads of RW already done (4 if the squad sizes dont change, 3 if they do, as I don't like mixing DV and the older bikes). I'm curious to see if the plasma guns on bikers are optional or not. I already have an Apothicary and Banner converted up and would hate to stop using them.

I'll probably get the flyers or convert up that speeder if the rules are good enough. I'm just hoping they dont throw the flyers in the same FOC slot as the other RW stuff, just to give my list some more diversity.

An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

Good call! Tbh, I'm a Ravenwing player, but I'm considering a Deathwing army, I was hoping on being able to run a Greenwing army, but there hasn't been much info on what's possible yet.

I've almost got the whole first and second company. I need more speeders(which I'll also incorporate the flyers into the total). And I need 20 more termies and a few dreads. Then both company's will be full strength.

I need to see some pictures of sprues!

Where's the spies when you need them?

I was thinking of adding a Deathwing force to ally with my Blood Angels. So I picked up a bunch of stuff at a great deal, but depending on the contents of the DA Term boxed set, might have to trade these away. Is it still common thought/opinion that the Cyclone Launchers will only come in the normal Terminator box and not in the DA Terminator boxes?

I see that people are thinking it's an all in one box for all DA related Terms, which is great for the 2 types of DA TDA, but if the Cyclone is in there..... why would anyone buy the normal TDA box?

By the way, anyone looking for 5 Ravenwing Battleforces?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
You mean you don't already have all three Belials modelled? I I were a better painter, I'd submit my collection of Belials to a Golden Daemon as the Hall of Armor or something like that.

Just one Belial for me with magnetized wrists and 3 pairs of hands. I'm hoping that they'll all still be legal (or at least usable with a not-special character to make DW troops).

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

I hope the Ravenwing part of the dex will be viable, as Im looking to start a force of black marines on bikes (so original).

I mean, with chaos bikes at 20pts/each there is some hope, right?

Pure Ravenwing actually worked OK in 5th, despite being distinctly overcosted compared to all other bike armies. So yeah, hopefully it should work with the new codex too.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

...and the price point is bordering on awesome for what you get, which is why I'm buying a few before this release becomes "official"; I don't quite trust GW to not mess that one up

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

...and the price point is bordering on awesome for what you get, which is why I'm buying a few before this release becomes "official"; I don't quite trust GW to not mess that one up

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

Soulman wrote:
An I the only one who prefers the Dark Vengeance-style Deathwing to these new models? Where did all the knives, feathers and incense go? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the new models, I just assumed they'd be going down a simelar route to the Dark Vengeance stuff :/

Between mixing DV with multipose minis and using the DA veterans kit I'm sure you'll get quite a way there already

I'll second this. Besides coming with 5 Veterans to play with the DA Vet kit is a cornucopia of pretty awesome bits.

...and the price point is bordering on awesome for what you get, which is why I'm buying a few before this release becomes "official"; I don't quite trust GW to not mess that one up

Indeed. I was shocked how cheap they were for what you got, I didn't expect five veterans in there.

the packs with just the veteran sprue are even better. €16 which has those same 5 vets, just not the sprue with the tac squad accessories. It's a deal the likes of which GW has seldom given