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 Lynata wrote:

amanita wrote:I guess you did say 'fictional' universes, because I was gonna say OUR universe has Chuck Norris.

I'm sorry, didn't you get the memo? Chuck Norris stopped being cool in 2009.

We could settle on Mister T, if you wish.

Dont turn around unless you want a roundhouse to the face

Legion of Flame wrote:
Try me. What fictional universe could defeat 40k in a universe-on-universe battle?

30k.

/thread

Dragonball Z universe would make short, short work of 40k. Even Yamcha could probably solo an Imperial Battlefleet.

Star Trek would win before it had even started. Q isn't really fair TBH.

 amanita wrote:
I guess you did say 'fictional' universes, because I was gonna say OUR universe has Chuck Norris.

Yeah screw the rest of the verse, all we need is Chuck Norris One round house kick will knock the out the big E, then he'll know what can't move is all about

 Themanwiththeplan wrote:

 amanita wrote:
I guess you did say 'fictional' universes, because I was gonna say OUR universe has Chuck Norris.

Yeah screw the rest of the verse, all we need is Chuck Norris One round house kick will knock the out the big E, then he'll know what can't move is all about

Ugh, it's like being in a middle school cafeteria

My Universe. I trap 40k in the neverending story for all time.

Star Trek (discounting the Qs) if they completely threw out all ethical conduct when engaging the war.

They could cause suns to go nova with relative ease - IIRC a single cloak ship could park inside a star and detonate it. Taking out Sol in such a manner would have a huge impact against the imperium.

Replicator Technology may be able to mass produce the extremely rare null material in 40K. Which would basically grant them near complete protection against the warp.

Despite the trek galaxy’s federation being relatively small in 40K terms, many alien civilization in their galaxy have a federation comparable level of technology. So it would be thousands of alien empires against 40K’s races.

Phasers would “vaporize” (cause them to flash red and disappear) space marines.

Teleporters: Would not be blocked by the gellar fields as 40K teleporters are. Whether or not normal 40K shields would work is debatable. This would go both ways as the trek ships couldn’t prevent space marines from boarding their ships. Trek teleporters are also much better and far more prevalent than 40K's.

Reliable non-warp FLS is a real bonus for anyone slugging it out against 40K forces. Also the trek universe could travel warp speed right up to the planet, whereas 40k space travel requires arriving outside large gravity wells. The trekkers would be able to hit planets and move on before any response was sent. Trek forces could never be pinned down into a fight or a land battle they didn't want.

The Federation would likely lose in a one on one against the imperium, but an allied trek universe against an allied 40K universe might carry the day.

Maybe comic book universes depending on how prevalent and powerful the super powered alien empires are - It becomes a numbers game. Depending on a handful, even thousands of super-powered, godlike entities would not work IMHO - there are multiple methods the imperium, eldar, necrons, hurd, chaos, and etc; could employ to neutralize targets like Superman, Goku, Galactus, Thor, Hulk, and etc.

Marvel Universe, without breaking a sweat.

Larry Niven's Known Space races, while they don't cover the whole galaxy, tend to be, well, intelligent (especially the puppeteers and the Protectors). And in interstellar warfare, intelligence is the only currency of value.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
All of 40k at once? None. Assuming this means all factions are at full power, that means the Imperium alone would have a full-power Emperor and his twenty Primarchs and their nigh-invincible Legiones Astartes and Legiones Custodes, countless ships and soldiers from the Imperial Army, the god-machines of the Titan Legions, all equipped with unimaginable technology recovered from the Golden Age of Technology. Chaos would have its four Powers, and endless legions of immortal Daemons. The Tyranids would have the endless nightmare hordes which have consumed entire galaxies. The Eldar Empire would have technology so advanced that it borders on magic. The Orks would be invincible. The Tau...well, never mind. The Necrons would be the same as the Eldar, in possession of technologies bordering on the magical.

And when all of those things combined are weaker than a single ship they don't really mean anything. It's like saying that an ant colony at full power can fight off a nuclear weapon just because it has so many ants.

Seriously, an unarmed civilian ship in the Culture considers "able to destroy a planet" an insultingly low estimate of its firepower. And you're talking about a civilization with god-like AI running everything, battles fought in fractions of a second at insane FTL speeds, miniature ringworlds everywhere because planets aren't aesthetically pleasing enough to live on, and a "small, short war" involves almost a hundred million ships destroyed, and thousands of destroyed planets and planet-size space stations.

gh05tdemon wrote:
None could, 40k is just to big. its like the tactics of the ig, you maybe strong and our attacks may do didly, but add it all up and we got a whole bunch of didly.

That just means you need a universe with decent industrial capacity and automated manufacturing. Once your automated factory ships start eating planets and turning them into warships the only question is whether you get bored of crushing such a pitiful opponent and leave to do something more interesting.

I think the common examples cited are:

1) The Culture, as previously described.
2) The Who-n-verse, which quite frankly seems to end up being as ridiculous as 40k most of the time.
3) I hear 'Lexx' mentioned fairly often. I don't know, or understand that entirely though...

Halo's flood could do it. They are only as dangerous as the enemy they are fighting. As soon as an Space Marine strike force is consumed every flood form will know how to operate Astartes equipment, for instance, albeit very clumsily. As soon as they figure out warp travel... game over.

Yup, Culture would, due to the fact that they are simply in another league technologically. And sci fi literature has several similar post singularity civilizations, and there are too many to speak off.

However, most any videogame or movie universe would fail, due to scale. Star Trek has superior technology, but would still fail due to firepower disparity, and MASSIVELY skewed numbers. Their ability to supernova stars might actually cripple the imperium, but most factions wont particularly care about it, and in a straight fight the average 40k Warship wins, and so does the average trooper... Granted, that's probably because star trek fighters tend to be terrible actors that make space marines look tactically competent. Plus, it has being shown that replicators have limits, and certainly cant instantly produce spaceships, so attrition becomes and inssue.

SW, even with the EU would fall, as their tactics and technology are similar to the 40k, without the millennia of combat experience, the numbers, OR the complete lack of morals.

Halo universe does not stand a chance. Humans and the Covenant are both comparatively minor powers, numbers and technology wise. The Flood is the only real threat, but it does not really seem to be a bigger on that the Orcs, or the Tyranids.

I can't really think of any other game/movie universe that comes close. Babylon 5 I suppose? Earth and most of the new races would fall instantly. The Shadows/Vorlons are about as powerful as Necrons/Eldar respectfully, but much smaller in number, so not really.

DrDuckman wrote:

However, most any other videogame or movie universe would fail, due to scale. Star Trek has suprerior technology, but would still fail due to firepower disparity, and MASSIVELY skewed numbers. Their ability to supernova stars might actually cripple the imperium, but most factions wont particularly care about it, and in a straight fight the average 40k Warship wins, and so does the average trooper... Granted, that's propably because star trek fighters tend to be terrible actors that make space marines look tactially compitent.

The Star Trek universe wins because they have Q. Numbers and technology is irrelevant to omnipotent beings.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

DrDuckman wrote:

However, most any other videogame or movie universe would fail, due to scale. Star Trek has suprerior technology, but would still fail due to firepower disparity, and MASSIVELY skewed numbers. Their ability to supernova stars might actually cripple the imperium, but most factions wont particularly care about it, and in a straight fight the average 40k Warship wins, and so does the average trooper... Granted, that's propably because star trek fighters tend to be terrible actors that make space marines look tactially compitent.

The Star Trek universe wins because they have Q. Numbers and technology is irrelevant to omnipotent beings.

That's optimistic. For one thing, they do seem to have SOME limitations. On the same scale, the 40k universe has several chaos gods, the emperor etc. And ofcourse bringing gods into the mix is a bit problematic for comparisons, as, you know, any universe that has an actual creator god wins.

Neal Asher's Human Polity.

It would be a matter of time and a matter of how many human lives the ruling Polity AI would judge worthy of saving and how high the sacrifices they would be willing to make, but their largest civilian AI are more than a match for Terra (and we can only guess what size their largest military AI are considering you never ever get to know of more than their existence in the books.)

It's definitely Marvel. Hell, Magneto could do the job alone. Force field? Catch the bullets in the air and write 'return to sender' on them? Use the non-ceramite portion of armor to crush the Space Marines? Necrons (bwahahahahaha)? Throw in Wolverine, Galactus, Ego (living planet), Thanos w/infinity gauntlet, Thor, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards working together (less likely than Orks uniting) and the 40k universe is screwed. Oh...wait... I forgot about the giant green monster in purple undies and his couple of relatives (Shulkie, Rhulk, A-Bomb, etc). 40k doesn't have a chance.

 Nerobellum wrote:

 Themanwiththeplan wrote:

 amanita wrote:
I guess you did say 'fictional' universes, because I was gonna say OUR universe has Chuck Norris.

Yeah screw the rest of the verse, all we need is Chuck Norris One round house kick will knock the out the big E, then he'll know what can't move is all about

Ugh, it's like being in a middle school cafeteria

You know what they say, if you can't stand the heat, get out the kitchen

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It's definitely Marvel. Hell, Magneto could do the job alone. Force field? Catch the bullets in the air and write 'return to sender' on them? Use the non-ceramite portion of armor to crush the Space Marines? Necrons (bwahahahahaha)? Throw in Wolverine, Galactus, Ego (living planet), Thanos w/infinity gauntlet, Thor, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards working together (less likely than Orks uniting) and the 40k universe is screwed. Oh...wait... I forgot about the giant green monster in purple undies and his couple of relatives (Shulkie, Rhulk, A-Bomb, etc). 40k doesn't have a chance.

Marvel is over the top indeed. Chaos could stand up to them if they corrupted the right people.

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It's definitely Marvel. Hell, Magneto could do the job alone. Force field? Catch the bullets in the air and write 'return to sender' on them? Use the non-ceramite portion of armor to crush the Space Marines? Necrons (bwahahahahaha)? Throw in Wolverine, Galactus, Ego (living planet), Thanos w/infinity gauntlet, Thor, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards working together (less likely than Orks uniting) and the 40k universe is screwed. Oh...wait... I forgot about the giant green monster in purple undies and his couple of relatives (Shulkie, Rhulk, A-Bomb, etc). 40k doesn't have a chance.

This raises a question. Would hulk become king of the orcs :O

TheCustomLime wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It's definitely Marvel. Hell, Magneto could do the job alone. Force field? Catch the bullets in the air and write 'return to sender' on them? Use the non-ceramite portion of armor to crush the Space Marines? Necrons (bwahahahahaha)? Throw in Wolverine, Galactus, Ego (living planet), Thanos w/infinity gauntlet, Thor, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards working together (less likely than Orks uniting) and the 40k universe is screwed. Oh...wait... I forgot about the giant green monster in purple undies and his couple of relatives (Shulkie, Rhulk, A-Bomb, etc). 40k doesn't have a chance.

Marvel is over the top indeed. Chaos could stand up to them if they corrupted the right people.

You're right. I forgot to add in the Sorceror Supreme. Dr. Strange, for anyone who doesn't recognize the title. Man-Thing, Clea, Wong and the rest of the Dr. Strange cast will also make short work of the daemons.

Yeah...marvel is pretty over the top.

Actually im wondering why the hero options are lacking a lot of the villains could see the joker doing a good number, as well as the likes of mr.freeze, Darkseid, the assorted Lord of Chaos.

Probably Star Wars, mostly because I don't know many fictional Universes. But I could see Jedi matching wits with Eldar and stormtroopers massacring nids and Orks, if they got more accurate of course.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

TheCustomLime wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
It's definitely Marvel. Hell, Magneto could do the job alone. Force field? Catch the bullets in the air and write 'return to sender' on them? Use the non-ceramite portion of armor to crush the Space Marines? Necrons (bwahahahahaha)? Throw in Wolverine, Galactus, Ego (living planet), Thanos w/infinity gauntlet, Thor, Dr. Doom and Reed Richards working together (less likely than Orks uniting) and the 40k universe is screwed. Oh...wait... I forgot about the giant green monster in purple undies and his couple of relatives (Shulkie, Rhulk, A-Bomb, etc). 40k doesn't have a chance.

Marvel is over the top indeed. Chaos could stand up to them if they corrupted the right people.

You're right. I forgot to add in the Sorceror Supreme. Dr. Strange, for anyone who doesn't recognize the title. Man-Thing, Clea, Wong and the rest of the Dr. Strange cast will also make short work of the daemons.

Yeah...marvel is pretty over the top.

What if the 40K universe was at full power? Gods in Marvel? Hah, we happen to a man-god, a bug-god (which could be argued, I guess. I consider the Hive-Mind to be a god.)a dragon god, a war god, a blood god, a disease god, an excess and pleasure god, and a wizardy god. Got the Hulk? The idiot will probably just become king of the Orks, and worse than the Beast.

And then again, what of corruption? Primarchs, super-human beings that can kill krakens with a few blows, slug a god in the chin, and are descended from the genome of a living god, who opposes four of the most powerful gods every merely by thought, were corrupted by those same gods. One Primarch set the galaxy on fire, split the Imperium in half, and created a situation whre every day, BILLIONS die, BILLIONS ARE BORN, Hundreds of world are discovered/colonised, and there is only war. No universe has ever had that, IIRC.

The Culture obviously would defeat us, even though I only heard of them today.

Halo? Pff, the fact that we have so many gods, so many super-human beings, means that the Forerunners would instantly be wiped out. I mean, the pinnacle of their technology (Promethean Knights) could not defeat a lone, rough Spartan. Considering the Flood, they would easily be defeated. Gods and all. Nurgle would simply give them even worse diseases. Humans and Covenant would die of course. I don't know about the Precursors though...

Star Wars? Yeah, they have a galaxy ruling empire, but again, 40K has the fething gods, and the fething imperial guard. Papa Nurgle would probably just give them the Zombie Plague.

Legion of Flame wrote:
Papa Nurgle would probably just give them the Zombie Plague.

Of course that depends on your universe having nonexistent medical technology like 40k. A more advanced civilization that isn't paranoid about innovation, like Star Wars, would have much better defenses against disease and the ruthlessness to just sterilize every planet from orbit once it became clear that all they'd be conquering would be a corpse-filled wasteland anyway.

The borg from star trek, assimilate either orks or demons and its all over.

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
The borg from star trek, assimilate either orks or demons and its all over.

Good call. Marvel has a similar thing called 'The Phalanx'. Turns metal to Phalanx, same with people. Always adapts, and has near instantaneous regen, plus the ability to change form. So those guys arguing against marvel...keep it up. 40k really is out of its league.

FoWPlayerDeathOfUS.TDs wrote:
The borg from star trek, assimilate either orks or demons and its all over.

You've got that backwards. Borg vs. orks = orks driving around in a looted borg cube.

I believe there are pictures of that.

They're called the Borks.

In straight up war, 40K is basically designed to be more powerful than anybody out there. For scifi mumbo jumbo......meh I lost interest.

Batman can suck it. Parker Lewis can take him.