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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

You're problem is the same as mine: we're too old! I may be wrong, but I bet you grew up in the late 80s/early 90s and as a result, you're used to a certain 'type' of Chaos.
The images and ethos of Chaos we grew up with was the Michael Moorcock inspiration, and if you've ever read what Rick Priestly has to say about it, you'll know what I mean. There was a certain intellectualism that was reflected in the Chaos designs back then. Bear in mind that the GW design team back then would have tapped into this.
These days, much of what made chaos, chaos has been lost. It's all about big monsters and big profits. There's never that ideological thing with chaos these days. There is no shades of grey, they're just pure evil. Does that make sense?

The problem is the mass marketing to North America and how utterly dumb & silly we are about approching sexuality & sexual overtones due to the Political Correctness F tards screwing everything up.

For example, the Dark Elf 6th edition army book had to be re-edited to remove a bunch of the evil half-naked pixies due to US censorship.
After numerous complaints from uppity soccer-moms & the professional bers, GW stores over hear were forced to 'bookshelf' the Diaz Daemonettes so that Little Timmy wouldn't so easily see the boobies.
Hell, my one buddy had his Golden Demon piece refused entry at the '04 Canadian Games Day because it was in part deemed "too sexually explicit." (it was a heavily converted Slaanesh Daemon Prince). There were simply too many minors running about the event for it to be displayed.

We've become so over-sensitive that for example, Game of Thrones got a warning about how many times they used the C-word in Season 1!
Apparently dropping a million F-bombs in the US is fine and dandy, but the C-word is utterly evil?! (yes, the stupidity of it really does make my brain hurt!)



I'd never blame GW for the craptastic farce that Slaanesh has become. It's simply something in the North American psyche sees sex as absolutely inappropritate material for anyone under 18/19 or so, but promotion of mass violence (even towards women/children), blood & guts, etc... is something appropriate for 6-10 year olds.
I had multiple mothers call me awful names for example when they'd see things like the Witch Elves or KoS When I'd then ask 8-year-old Little Timmy what his fav video game was though, he'd scream something like "Call of Duty Modern Warfare OMG!" or "GTA San Andreas ROCKS!!!" or whatever super violent, bloody as feth game was new out in stores!

Rather, I blame the hyper-sensitive politically correct holes who think they should live our lives for us!

Need info on what the book is like man, I am getting itchy, very itchy.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
He does look the part, I love the whispering wizard part of that model but feel the overall model looks 'flat' and that the metal shoulder spike is ridiculous.

I suppose I'm hoping against reason that he's plastic...

I have to agree the horns are out of control on this batch. The chariot especially. Couldn't they do Chaos in a more creative way? Horses with and extra set of limbs or developing carnivorous physical traits like sharpened teeth or elongated maws like a crocodile? I hate how homogenous the look is for an army that supposed to have variety and... well... Chaos. Chaos doesn't JUST mean spiky.

....I can't....see any pictures....

They're spoilered in the OP, Ambrose (click the word "spoiler" in the post and you can see them).

*blushes* Thanks.

Anyone else seeing some major influence from Confrontation here? Both in model design and in painting.

Dragon ogres are terrible, but then again we knew they would be months ago.

Chariots are sexy though, as is that Tzeentch character.

 Boss Salvage wrote:

 Buttlerthepug wrote:
That "magic swirly thing" I believe is Vilitch... which is why, as I said, I find the special characters to be lackluster compared to their artwork.

Pretty sure this is Vilitch:

I guess he looks the part: caster thing (staff) + fighty buff armored guy

- Salvage

My apologies then , I must have misread that as I thought that was the model referred to... Serves me right for not having read every message whilst being half asleep. Either way, I find it weird that Vilitch is on his shoulder, and am still quite fond of the artwork as opposed to it. Perhaps after seeing the model in person my opinion will change.

Bit late, don't know if its been mentioned or even relenvent or factual, but the army book cover appears to be bent, suggesting its back to paperback?

 Deadshot wrote:
Bit late, don't know if its been mentioned or even relenvent or factual, but the army book cover appears to be bent, suggesting its back to paperback?

Thats a picture of a picture in white dwarf. The white dwarf page is bent.

haroon wrote:

 Deadshot wrote:
Bit late, don't know if its been mentioned or even relenvent or factual, but the army book cover appears to be bent, suggesting its back to paperback?

Thats a picture of a picture in white dwarf. The white dwarf page is bent.

Ah thanks for clearinf that.

Well, WoC were my first fantasy army, and I am excited by the new releases. I'm wondering what other stuff they'll do, hopefully archeon cheaper, and Eye of the Gods with more options. I also hope they keep Infernal Gateway, prob one of the deadliest spells in the game atm.

I also hope though that they have some shooting, all be it maruaders with slings would do. But that is a long shot. But here's hoping.

 pretre wrote:

What is this creature? Is it in a dual-build kit with that scary tentacle-monster?

I think it's pretty cool, as is the chariot. I think I'm probably gonna throw down for these, with their fantastic 40K conversion possibilities...

-C6

Dat right arm though, why gods of chaos, WHY?

RITides, what is it about the Dragon Ogres? I think they look great-a thousand times better than the previous ones, and pretty spiffy looking-there will also be more heads and body parts.


What I'm not sure on is the "Vilitch" model: I put it in quotes because I don't see anything defining that model as Vilitch. I don't see a guy on his shoulders, I don't see a beard, I don't see anything showing that thing to be Vilitch. If it is, then GW failed from their concept art (It's still an awesome model, just don't see it as Vilitch).

Throgg is something that I could have said 'okay' to before, but I made my own from an Ogre Gorger with an axe added to his hand and some spikes and tusks, and i don't see a need to update him-especially with a $60 model in a cape.

I posted my reasoning below . Front legs should've been T-rex style, like the Shaggoth...

 RiTides wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
I have to admit a bit of interest as to why Dragon Ogres equate to raptors in your mind, RiTides. Care to share? I'm genuinely curious, not trying to put you on the spot or anything here.
To my mind, they've always seemed more like they would be rather bulky abominations which deserve both the name "dragon" and "ogre".

They can be bulky abominations without having 4 sets of legs that are nearly the same size . Look at the excellent Dragon Ogre Shaggoth model! It's got T-rex front arms. This is how I envisioned dragon ogres to be, too, hence my converting them from cold one bodies (that I learned from someone on Dakka ) to keep the Shaggoth look.

I'm also not a fan of Throgg at all. Glad I got out before they put out those models...

(not that I'm not planning to get back into fantasy, with chaos dwarfs likely, from a variety of sources... but I just find these releases to be lackluster and cartoony is all)

Sorry, I didn't want to wade through 7 pages to find your reasoning for dislikes-especially since I think you must have had a blow to the head or something to dislike them.

I also made my own Dragon Ogres; mix of plastic ogres and 6th edition DE Cold Ones-fat and stupid mixed with, well, fat and stupid. Turned out pretty nicely, but I like GW's better than mine in this case-and that's coming from somebody who has been disappointed in most GW models recently.

Broken pics again.

Pics are fine on the first post.

Only thing I don't dig about this release is Vilitch, but I think it can make a passable Chaos Lord/Champion once I chop off the sorcerer part from his shoulder.

OH DAMN. Gonna have to get some of those. Secondhand, of course, not gonna pay full GW price no matter how cool the models are.

 RiTides wrote:
The reason I don't like the dragon ogres is the front legs are Huge, rather than looking more like raptors. Also, it was really easy to make decent dragon ogres before. See the following conversion, just black orcs and cold ones...

Spoiler:

So, that's why I don't like the new ones...

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I was planning on doing some dragon ogres and wasn't sure where to start. This is great. But i am going to have to find different heads as I don't want the distinct black orc helmets. They're awesome, but too orcy. I'll find something though.


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 pretre wrote:
It being a vortex beast, I imagine the magic swirly thing is probably a vortex. Just sayin'...

If I ever designed a vortex beast, the vortex would be in the center of the mass of tentacles like a mouth-- it then would grab people and deposit them into the vortex, nomming them all the way to the realm of chaos. it certainly wouldn't be bolted onto the thing's back.

For some reason I can only see a few of the photos were some deleted?

Can I ask who buys from GW directly anymore? Excluding kids parents of course

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Can I ask who buys from GW directly anymore? Excluding kids parents of course

I make a point of only buying direct. Not just because the only other seller is a few miles away whereas GW is down the road, but its brand loyalty and pride.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

You're problem is the same as mine: we're too old! I may be wrong, but I bet you grew up in the late 80s/early 90s and as a result, you're used to a certain 'type' of Chaos.
The images and ethos of Chaos we grew up with was the Michael Moorcock inspiration, and if you've ever read what Rick Priestly has to say about it, you'll know what I mean. There was a certain intellectualism that was reflected in the Chaos designs back then. Bear in mind that the GW design team back then would have tapped into this.
These days, much of what made chaos, chaos has been lost. It's all about big monsters and big profits. There's never that ideological thing with chaos these days. There is no shades of grey, they're just pure evil. Does that make sense?

The problem is the mass marketing to North America and how utterly dumb & silly we are about approching sexuality & sexual overtones due to the Political Correctness F tards screwing everything up.

For example, the Dark Elf 6th edition army book had to be re-edited to remove a bunch of the evil half-naked pixies due to US censorship.
After numerous complaints from uppity soccer-moms & the professional bers, GW stores over hear were forced to 'bookshelf' the Diaz Daemonettes so that Little Timmy wouldn't so easily see the boobies.
Hell, my one buddy had his Golden Demon piece refused entry at the '04 Canadian Games Day because it was in part deemed "too sexually explicit." (it was a heavily converted Slaanesh Daemon Prince). There were simply too many minors running about the event for it to be displayed.

We've become so over-sensitive that for example, Game of Thrones got a warning about how many times they used the C-word in Season 1!
Apparently dropping a million F-bombs in the US is fine and dandy, but the C-word is utterly evil?! (yes, the stupidity of it really does make my brain hurt!)



I'd never blame GW for the craptastic farce that Slaanesh has become. It's simply something in the North American psyche sees sex as absolutely inappropritate material for anyone under 18/19 or so, but promotion of mass violence (even towards women/children), blood & guts, etc... is something appropriate for 6-10 year olds.
I had multiple mothers call me awful names for example when they'd see things like the Witch Elves or KoS When I'd then ask 8-year-old Little Timmy what his fav video game was though, he'd scream something like "Call of Duty Modern Warfare OMG!" or "GTA San Andreas ROCKS!!!" or whatever super violent, bloody as feth game was new out in stores!

Rather, I blame the hyper-sensitive politically correct holes who think they should live our lives for us!

A very good post, and worthy of another debate in the OT forum.

I question why Chaos is getting another army book. In my view, they seem to be doing fine in 8th. I suppose I'm just bitter that Brettonians and even Wood Elves, have been overlooked again!

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

I question why Chaos is getting another army book. In my view, they seem to be doing fine in 8th. I suppose I'm just bitter that Brettonians and even Wood Elves, have been overlooked again!

I'm thinking from a sales point of view, that they decided WoC are something that needed little overhaul in terms of the army but was easy to tack on a lot of new units/big squiggly things. Wood Elves need a dark eldar level overhaul and I suspect the Brets need a similar level of review.

Bah, I dont want mortal servants of chaos, give me daemons.

Big ones.


Made of plastic.


The big red monster thing looks somewhat like this-

Im quite liking these new releases, I pretty much like it all.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Can I ask who buys from GW directly anymore? Excluding kids parents of course

I do quite a lot, I like my models to arrive quickly or I pick them up from the local GW , I hate the two week plus that independent stockists make you wait.
Since Mealstrom went down i have not been able to find a decent place to get GW stuff without having to wait an age for it..

agustin wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
The reason I don't like the dragon ogres is the front legs are Huge, rather than looking more like raptors. Also, it was really easy to make decent dragon ogres before. See the following conversion, just black orcs and cold ones...

Spoiler:

So, that's why I don't like the new ones...

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I was planning on doing some dragon ogres and wasn't sure where to start. This is great. But i am going to have to find different heads as I don't want the distinct black orc helmets. They're awesome, but too orcy. I'll find something though.

No problem . Like I said, I found out about the conversion on Dakka, and it's great AND cheap! I'm not sure how much the new dragon ogres are, but I've gotten a lot of compliments on these in-person and it's so easy

Other than the paintjob the main suggestion folks had was for a different head. Also keep in mind that the Black Orcs box only comes with I believe 4 great weapons. There are 2 additional bodies that can hold a Really big weapon in one hand. So those can kind of go either way, and then there are 4 double-hand-weapon bodies. So, you have to get a bit creative if you want a Big unit all armed the same (but if you want 2 smaller units armed differently, it's ideal).

You can probably get the cold one bodies off ebay

@timetowaste85- Fair point, although I didn't have a blow to the head . I just didn't want to repeat the post either, hence my digging up the old one!