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 mjl7atlas wrote:
Yes walrus, how dare they charge 40 bucks for what could easily have been accomplished in sayyyyy a wd, or /gasp another wd insert aka deamons style, orrrrrr how about....(wait for it) a FREE PDF update on their FAQ page. Indeed.

Obviously, you have been in cave for the last couple months. A lot of people are very unhappy about the WD release style. So this is providing another option for those that don't have the WD. As for free, as much as I might like to see that, GW is still a business. Shocking, but businesses charge money for their products.

its not shocking considering they've put WD releases on their website before, this would be the first time they ask for money.

 Ravenous D wrote:
its not shocking considering they've put WD releases on their website before, this would be the first time they ask for money.

Those days are long over, I'm afraid.

I look forward to owning a legal copy of the Dakka Jet rules, regardless.

Umm chapter approved?

Nah, not that far off, they put the blood angel dex on the website for free shortly after 5th dropped.

Probably because there wasn't enough to compile into a book. If three different armies had wd codexes, they probably would have made a book.

Doesn't matter. GW can't win. People would complain about the format if it was free....

I'd prefer free, of course...

 kronk wrote:
I'd prefer free, of course...

GW being GW, this would lead to (even less, to the extent that's possible) editing of the rules since a profit center will have changed into a cost center.

EDIT: Also: "Pre Heresy Black Templar Librarian " wat?

It probably alludes to the fact that pre-Nikea, the legions all had librarians. Of course, they weren't the black templars then, but...

Ill just say it. Expect a point hike on the vendetta

 labmouse42 wrote:
Ill just say it. Expect a point hike on the vendetta

hah. No, that's way too sensible.

Expect a points hike on the Dakkajet, Storm Talon and Nephilim. Expect points drops for Vendettas/Valks and Scythes.

 kronk wrote:
I'd prefer free, of course...

Seriously?

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I'd prefer free, of course...

Seriously?

Sure. We'd all like the rules to be free. I'd also like GW to give me free puppies, but that just isn't going to happen.

 pretre wrote:

 labmouse42 wrote:
Ill just say it. Expect a point hike on the vendetta

hah. No, that's way too sensible.

Expect a points hike on the Dakkajet, Storm Talon and Nephilim. Expect points drops for Vendettas/Valks and Scythes.

Not to be factitious here, but that is silly. From a business standpoint, GW will nerf the vendetta and scythes, while everything else will be buffed to raise sales on unpopular product. Afterall, which competetive IG/necron player doesnt have 3 of their flyers already? Very few, probably.

Neronoxx wrote:

pretre wrote:

Not to be factitious here, but that is silly. From a business standpoint, GW will nerf the vendetta and scythes, while everything else will be buffed to raise sales on unpopular product. Afterall, which competetive IG/necron player doesnt have 3 of their flyers already? Very few, probably.

It won't allow me to bold or underline a smiley face, so I'll just only quote that to try to emphasize the fact that it was a joke.

I don't think you have to be Captain Whiner of the Hypocrite Brigade to think that paying $40 for the rules for a single unit is a little steep.

It's simply lousy. I don't care what the precedent is, I don't care what other people complained about, but finding out that finding out the rules for exactly one model will cost that much is a bummer.

Yeah, GW is in a bit of a pickle because they can't please everybody, but only because they dont' want to give the rules out for free. I think them just releaseing a PDF would be awesome. But I think there is some validity to the idea that while people are willing to pay for rules, there is an upper limit that they feel is fair. And it's not like GW's track record of getting your money's worth with supplements is exactly good.

To use an analogy: if your girlfriend is upset that you won't take her out to dinner, and you decide to take her to Taco Bell, you can't really say, "why are you mad? You said you wanted to go out!" So, when people want to get the rules for their $70 kits, being told, "here, it's in this $40 book you have to special order!" isn't exactly what people had in mind.

 Polonius wrote:
I don't think you have to be Captain Whiner of the Hypocrite Brigade to think that paying $40 for the rules for a single unit is a little steep.

It's simply lousy. I don't care what the precedent is, I don't care what other people complained about, but finding out that finding out the rules for exactly one model will cost that much is a bummer.

I completely agree that paying $40 for the rules for one unit would be a little steep. Good thing the book will have far more than just the rules for one unit in it (or so the rumors say).

That's like saying that paying $30 (or whatever it was) for Chapter Approved was waay too much since I was only getting one army list out of it. Well, yeah, I only really wanted one list but the book had WAY more than that in it. Do I think this book will be Chapter Approved awesome? No idea yet, because we haven't seen more details.

"here, it's in this $40 book you have to special order!"

Have we heard this is special order only? Because last I heard it was not limited edition...

 Polonius wrote:
I don't think you have to be Captain Whiner of the Hypocrite Brigade to think that paying $40 for the rules for a single unit is a little steep.

It's simply lousy. I don't care what the precedent is, I don't care what other people complained about, but finding out that finding out the rules for exactly one model will cost that much is a bummer.

Yeah, GW is in a bit of a pickle because they can't please everybody, but only because they dont' want to give the rules out for free. I think them just releaseing a PDF would be awesome. But I think there is some validity to the idea that while people are willing to pay for rules, there is an upper limit that they feel is fair. And it's not like GW's track record of getting your money's worth with supplements is exactly good.

To use an analogy: if your girlfriend is upset that you won't take her out to dinner, and you decide to take her to Taco Bell, you can't really say, "why are you mad? You said you wanted to go out!" So, when people want to get the rules for their $70 kits, being told, "here, it's in this $40 book you have to special order!" isn't exactly what people had in mind.

The thing is, we don't know what's in the book yet.

Too slow, AlmightyWalrus, too slow.

 Mr Morden wrote:


As I said before - they brought out a compliation of flyers and related stuff already via Forgeworld - if they had made that completely official it would have at lest given pretty much everyone (as usual Tryanids get the finger) some options.

Aeronautica is official. Everything is completely usable in games of 40K or Apoc. It even says's it's 'official' in the beginning of the book.
They even write it as 'official' because they think it's funny to think of a fun game as something that can be official or unofficial.


You know some of us actually really like the Storm Talon- I have 3 as it's my 2nd favourite plastic flyer (after the Scythe).


Complaining that this could be a PDF rather than a priced book?
Well, every book GW release could also "easily be a PDF"- why bother charging for anything eh?
If you want the book and will find it useful then buy it. Don't want it? Then don't buy it.
I know I'll get it so I have the Storm Raven rules for my codex marine chapters.

 pretre wrote:
completely agree that paying $40 for the rules for one unit would be a little steep. Good thing the book will have far more than just the rules for one unit in it (or so the rumors say).

Indeed. But, if the argument is "you said you wanted your rules, here are your rules" than the rules that will be used by the consumer are important to the moral outrage exhibited.

That's like saying that paying $30 (or whatever it was) for Chapter Approved was waay too much since I was only getting one army list out of it. Well, yeah, I only really wanted one list but the book had WAY more than that in it. Do I think this book will be Chapter Approved awesome? No idea yet, because we haven't seen more details.

There is a big difference though. You probably didn't buy Salvar Chem Dogs army first, and realized after the fact that there was no legal way to get the rules. Also, getting a full army list for roughly the cost of a codex is different from one unit entry.

"here, it's in this $40 book you have to special order!"

Have we heard this is special order only? Because last I heard it was not limited edition...

The OP says it's mail order only.

 Lorizael wrote:
why bother charging for anything eh?

A Communist and an Apologist? What next GW Supporters????




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 Polonius wrote:
Indeed. But, if the argument is "you said you wanted your rules, here are your rules" than the rules that will be used by the consumer are important to the moral outrage exhibited.

Fair enough. The additional value cannot be entirely discounted, however. For example, you could split the book with others.

There is a big difference though. You probably didn't buy Salvar Chem Dogs army first, and realized after the fact that there was no legal way to get the rules. Also, getting a full army list for roughly the cost of a codex is different from one unit entry.

Sisters of Battle. Necrons. There was no legal way to get the rules outside of hunting down an old WD or getting Chapter Approved. Directly equivalent.

The OP says it's mail order only.

Aha! I missed the 'mail order only' and focused on the 'limited edition'. So stores can get it, but don't get their deep discount. My bad.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thing is, we don't know what's in the book yet.

Which is what people say when they want to shut a conversation down, instead of making a point. Welcome to most human converstions. We're talking about someting without full knowledge.

 pretre wrote:

 labmouse42 wrote:
Ill just say it. Expect a point hike on the vendetta

hah. No, that's way too sensible.

Expect a points hike on the Dakkajet, Storm Talon and Nephilim. Expect points drops for Vendettas/Valks and Scythes.

But in all seriousness, there's no way GW will change actual Codex entries. Updating the WD fliers that were released before 6th hit, sure. But I just can't see them changing actual Codex units.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
But in all seriousness, there's no way GW will change actual Codex entries. Updating the WD fliers that were released before 6th hit, sure. But I just can't see them changing actual Codex units.

Oh, you just had to call down the thunder, didn't you?

 pretre wrote:
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Sisters of Battle. Necrons. There was no legal way to get the rules outside of hunting down an old WD or getting Chapter Approved. Directly equivalent.

Right, which is why paying codex level prices for a codex's worth of rules content didn't hurt so bad. This isn't advanced algebra, but when an army book was $15, a $25 CA for a full army list wasn't so bad. And even then, a lot of those rules made their way online in official form.

Also, old white dwafs were more available back then, because more people bought and read it.

It'd be nice if the thread was actually about any new tidbits of information about the book and not endless and endlessly repetitive complaining about the method of sale and price of the book for which neither has even been confirmed. For crying out loud. It's all been said a million times over by now.

 Lorizael wrote:

Aeronautica is official. Everything is completely usable in games of 40K or Apoc. It even says's it's 'official' in the beginning of the book.
They even write it as 'official' because they think it's funny to think of a fun game as something that can be official or unofficial.

It's not published under the GW brand. The units are not found in any GW-branded products, nor anything stating about FW being officially allowed. So stamping them as official in the FW book itself won't do much good while the brand separation is there. Given how pissy people get even about Codex units and their options and minute rules differences, it's hardly surprising they refuse to acknowledge the FW stuff as official. Personally I don't give a flying feth if someone uses a Forgeworld unit. Not that I've even seen anyone try to use one around here. Wouldn't be allowed in tournaments (I specifically asked, out of curiosity) though, despite the rules being quite lax otherwise. Out of curiosity, do even GW's own tournaments in the UK allow FW units? If not, can't really start going around calling them "completely usable."

 Polonius wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:
The thing is, we don't know what's in the book yet.

Which is what people say when they want to shut a conversation down, instead of making a point. Welcome to most human converstions. We're talking about someting without full knowledge.

To be fair, I think there's a difference between discussing something without full knowledge and predicting doom and gloom based on little information.

Some of the earlier posts in this thread have been of the latter kind and added little to the conversation.

 caminacambob wrote:
Is it just me, or in the far left of that picture is that a Harpy wing? (Sorry if this has already been posted)

Your post seemed to get lost by the gloom in this thread. Night fight rules are definitely on in this thread.

I too noticed that, hope maybe... Possibly?