DreamForge Games - Official News and Rumors Thread (KS coming March 25, pg 191)

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**Tannhauser42**

Azazelx wrote:
We're actually still waiting for the results....

I'd want a much more refined and realistic timetable for fulfilment before I considered backing another DFG/WFG project again though. This particular project might well have been better off being three distinct projects - Leviathans, Infantry and Vehicles, so with luck Mark will recognise that when he returns to the well. I'm still hoping that Mark/DFG are able to make good on the coupon and shipping from China for those of us outside the US.

I know Mark has said that, before he starts another KS, he wants to have as much of the work already done as possible. The delays in this one are because the sculpts weren't complete to begin with. If he can have everything ready to go for tooling at the start of the next, things will go a lot smoother.

**TheAuldGrump**

Okay, 'cause he is being ignored in favor of the admittedly cool APC - that medic....

I cannot describe how much these models please me - the sense of urgency, and the self propelled gurney?

Awesome, just awesome.

The Auld Grump

**Jehan-reznor**

I don't play IG but i need that Keilerkopf APC!

**SavageRobby**

That APC is pretty damn awesome. I don't need one, but I _want_ two.

**AlexHolker**

I'm still not a fan of some of the concepts, but the execution is good.

**prowla**

I'm enjoying these. Solid stuff. I'm just worried that the APC is of too high quality, and is going to punch out my wallet

**Azazelx**

I'm really hoping for that coupon. I can easily see half a dozen of these Hanomags coming my way. 2 or each variant? hell, maybe 3 of each.

**shasolenzabi**

I want 5-6 of the APC and to have the others as supports

**Eldarain**

Definitely need at least 5 of those.

**Yonan**

Azazelx wrote:
It's not exactly a case of modelling for advantage, after all.

The lack of constant projectile vomiting is *clearly* an advantage of the Hanomag over the Taurox.

**Mathieu Raymond**

AlexHolker wrote:
I'm still not a fan of some of the concepts, but the execution is good.

That's high praise. I'd take it and run with it.

Well, I may have gotten extra funds to allocate to this mythical coupon we heard about. My co-pledger on Raging Heroes wants to buy me out of my part of the pledge. I'll gladly give that money to Mark.

**sonofruss**

Azazelx wrote:
We're actually still waiting for the results....

I'd want a much more refined and realistic timetable for fulfilment before I considered backing another DFG/WFG project again though. This particular project might well have been better off being three distinct projects - Leviathans, Infantry and Vehicles, so with luck Mark will recognise that when he returns to the well. I'm still hoping that Mark/DFG are able to make good on the coupon and shipping from China for those of us outside the US.

Mark has stated he is working on the OP-For as well as the current stuff getting stuff ready before hand and then starting the KS when it is ready to cut steel.

**shade1313**

Azazelx wrote:
I'm really hoping for that coupon. I can easily see half a dozen of these Hanomags coming my way. 2 or each variant? hell, maybe 3 of each.

I'm going to have a freaking motor pool.

**AlexHolker**

Mathieu Raymond wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
I'm still not a fan of some of the concepts, but the execution is good.

That's high praise. I'd take it and run with it.

Well, I still think the vehicle is big enough that making it even bigger with the Hanomag nose was a bad idea and a shorter wheel base would have been better, and the Mule still looks like it's going to tip all your stuff on the ground instead of being a reliable hauler.

The Shadokesh are defined by the personality they lack so I find them rather dull, but I'd be interested in seeing what the other human factions will be like.

**prowla**

DJGietzen wrote:

I'd say they are about the same height. The dreamforge model is much wide and much much longer. I think the Hanomag will be about the size of a land raider (maybe not as wide) and the Taurox will be aboutt he size of a chimare (but about as tall as a land raider). Not a good use for this model at all.

Yeah, that's the problem of GW making their vehicles slightly smaller than 28mm. The APC is about the right size for it's job. I'd probably run it as a Chimera, anyway.

I can see the APC being a good basis for a whole line of kits. Next step some AA guns and some modern turrets?

**NoseGoblin**

AlexHolker wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
I'm still not a fan of some of the concepts, but the execution is good.

That's high praise. I'd take it and run with it.

Well, I still think the vehicle is big enough that making it even bigger with the Hanomag nose was a bad idea and a shorter wheel base would have been better, and the Mule still looks like it's going to tip all your stuff on the ground instead of being a reliable hauler.

The Shadokesh are defined by the personality they lack so I find them rather dull, but I'd be interested in seeing what the other human factions will be like.

Well, that's not entirely true, I started by using the blueprints for a 251 and the changed the cassis to a wider stance and up scaled the overall sized. The nose length holds pretty true to the original.

The Shadokesh I will agree with you on, there is a post a few pages back where I said it did not thrill me and it needed to be punched up.

**AlexHolker**

NoseGoblin wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
Mathieu Raymond wrote:
AlexHolker wrote:
I'm still not a fan of some of the concepts, but the execution is good.

That's high praise. I'd take it and run with it.

Well, I still think the vehicle is big enough that making it even bigger with the Hanomag nose was a bad idea and a shorter wheel base would have been better, and the Mule still looks like it's going to tip all your stuff on the ground instead of being a reliable hauler.

Well, that's not entirely true, I started by using the blueprints for a 251 and the changed the cassis to a wider stance and up scaled the overall sized. The nose length holds pretty true to the original.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/gallery/599972-APC%20comp.html

I am aware that you were copying the 251. I'm saying that you shouldn't have - that the footprint was already big enough for what is basically a battle taxi without adding another superfluous inch to its length.

The Shadokesh are defined by the personality they lack so I find them rather dull, but I'd be interested in seeing what the other human factions will be like.

The Shadokesh I will agree with you on, there is a post a few pages back where I said it did not thrill me and it needed to be punched up.

I was referring to their flavour text - the concept of a sociopathic hive mind. They're like ants, and ants are not interesting characters.

**Barzam**

I'd still like to see some full body designs for the American faction. I think they're the only human one we haven't seen entirely.

**Jehan-reznor**

This thing is damn cool, i see an upgrade for the APC with this turret

**scarletsquig**

Might end up buying a lot of these for my Warpath armies instead of waiting for Mantic to get their finger out and make some.

There's a lot to be said for focusing on one army from one game to the exclusion of all else with no compromise on any aspect of quality/material.

**HisDivineShadow**

The Mule is almost exactly a copy from real life, you do realize right? I've seen videos of the test robot. I believe it's a DARPA creation. It follows soldiers, responds to voice commands, and looks exactly like Mark's version. Down to the ball feet. It may not look like scifi has made us think of walking robots... but it's realistic.

**Davespil**

bladeiai wrote:
shade1313 wrote:
sonofruss wrote:
That APC is going to overheat without a grill.

Nah. In the first place, the grill on nearly all modern cars is for appearance. The actual needed area to properly ventilate the radiator is MUCH smaller than what the grill allows, and alternative ways to get airflow would certainly be something I'd work into the design of a vehicle that is going to be shot at. Secondly, if it has some other means of cooling, a liquid cooling system, for example, you certainly wouldn't need any grill at all, and again, the added complexity of such a design my come out ahead when you consider bullets coming towards the vehicle at high speed.

While I agree that it is completely feasible that you wouldn't need the grill, many modern cars need all of that air flow especially more powerful engines like the ones required to move very heavy armored trucks. Also liquid cooling system is what 95% of the vehicles on the market already employ.

I agree with no grill on the model. It is supposed to be armored and you figure the front would take a lot of fire. They can put an air intake other places.

**Necros**

I'm hoping someday someone will make a special jeepy looking front grill upgrade piece, plus half track bits for the 2 rear wheels

I like it as is, but I think that would make it even cooler

**HisDivineShadow**

Any one notice the previews are saying "working doors".
I thought during the KS mark Mentiomed that wasn't going to work. Guess he figured it out?

**Mathieu Raymond**

Well, he or an engineer in China. Point is, now little brothers and cousins everywhere will now have extra leverage to ruin our shinies! Yay!

**HisDivineShadow**

Threaten to chop off a hand and it cuts down on that.

Alot.

**Mathieu Raymond**

I don't think my nephew and niece are old enough to understand the concept. Or worse, he likes Star Wars so much he might think it's cool to lose a hand and get a cybernetic one to replace it.

**AlexHolker**

HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Mule is almost exactly a copy from real life, you do realize right? I've seen videos of the test robot. I believe it's a DARPA creation. It follows soldiers, responds to voice commands, and looks exactly like Mark's version. Down to the ball feet. It may not look like scifi has made us think of walking robots... but it's realistic.

No, it is not. It is slower, less stable and more expensive than doing the same thing with wheels like a sane person.

**HisDivineShadow**

AlexHolker wrote:
HisDivineShadow wrote:
The Mule is almost exactly a copy from real life, you do realize right? I've seen videos of the test robot. I believe it's a DARPA creation. It follows soldiers, responds to voice commands, and looks exactly like Mark's version. Down to the ball feet. It may not look like scifi has made us think of walking robots... but it's realistic.

No, it is not. It is slower, less stable and more expensive than doing the same thing with wheels like a sane person.

Actually not. Wheels have lots of cons. Like stepping over things. They cant.

edit. Found it. On DARPA own website. Video even.
[url]http://www.darpa.mil/NewsEvents/Releases/2012/09/10.aspx
[/url]

**General Hobbs**

Waas watching World War 2 in Color last night, and some German half tracks without grills went by on the screen. I laughed, thought of this APC right away.