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2015/08/05 19:09:00
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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I'd definitely advise anyone interested in KD:M to consider the pre-purchase. $275 is not cheap but it's certainly much better than $400.
The next best option is a bit of a gamble: ebay. I'm sure people will be putting up copies of the game once the KS fulfills, but the MSRP has already been set by Adam and KD products in general have very 'boutique' prices on ebay. It's entirely possible someone will want to auction their pledge at KS-cost, but it's more likely they'll want (and people will bid) closer to retail for it.
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2015/08/05 21:26:00
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Alpharius wrote:Yeah, who knows what the Dragon King or the Festival of Lights (?) expansions will ultimately end up costing!
Considering they come with one GIGANTIC model which GW would've inevitably charged $100 for alone... plus several decks of cards, new settlement jumbo-cards, and loot cards.... yeah... expansions are going to fetch a high price.
Does anyone, incidentally want to sell a Gorm or Spidicules expansion from their pledge? I hadn't realized until this week that I ended up ordering everything BUT those. I'd be willing to pay a mark-up on them for those inclined, who might be downsizing their pledge just a bit.
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2015/08/06 00:51:55
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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Didn't realize Space Twilight has Chun-Li thighs. Might end up ordering one after all.
I don't know how any of you can think of selling your Kickstarted copy. Didn't you order an extra just for the purpose of recouping the costs of the game?
I wish I had, especially as I had a bad feeling this one would skyrocket in price/ value before all is said and done. 
Live and learn I guess. I got back into painting figures just for the purpose of eventually trying to tackle painting this game.
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2015/08/06 02:34:39
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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 highlord tamburlaine wrote:Didn't realize Space Twilight has Chun-Li thighs. Might end up ordering one after all.
I don't know how any of you can think of selling your Kickstarted copy. Didn't you order an extra just for the purpose of recouping the costs of the game?
I wish I had, especially as I had a bad feeling this one would skyrocket in price/ value before all is said and done.
Live and learn I guess. I got back into painting figures just for the purpose of eventually trying to tackle painting this game.
Just noticed the Scifi Twilight Knight is sold out. Wasn't sure we were gonna see that as it's plastic and didn't indicate the number of stock available. Wonder how soon it'll be up again.
And in hindsight, I do wish I'd grabbed another copy of the boxed game through the kickstarter. Little did we know how precious it would become.
Edit: Actually, I'm not sure the Scifi Twilight Knight will be restocked as-is when reading in its description " A future iteration will be presented in a different fashion"
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2015/08/06 05:06:00
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Most Glorious Grey Seer
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 Dentry wrote:I'd definitely advise anyone interested in KD:M to consider the pre-purchase. $275 is not cheap but it's certainly much better than $400.
I still wonder how many units he thinks he'll sell at $400. Then again, people were buying Blood Bowl on eBay at $300 + when it was still in GW stores so what do I know, right?
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2015/08/06 05:31:30
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Aspirant Tech-Adept
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Definitely. There are certainly individuals (and groups) out there that will buy it at that price. Maybe speculators, too? I wouldn't be buying it alone at $400 (I think), it'd have to be a group investment with whoever was going to play.
Adam's stated he tried to whittle down the box to be as affordable as possible without sacrificing what he considers the KD:M experience. I don't really doubt the game will sell out but I'm not expecting it to fly off the shelves as quickly as their usual releases.
Also, the Sci-fi Twilight Knight is back up so... that's a bit odd considering the usual KD availability patterns.
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2015/08/06 06:10:27
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Calculating Commissar
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Dentry wrote:Also, the Sci-fi Twilight Knight is back up so... that's a bit odd considering the usual KD availability patterns.
Adam mentioned in the comments section that it had come down to allow them to carry out the KS fulfillment, but he changed his mind and decided the picking team working extra hours to avoid disappointment was better... so I think she is a longer term pinup. Possibly.
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2015/08/06 06:13:10
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Serious Squig Herder
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Dentry wrote: it'd have to be a group investment with whoever was going to play.
That's a sound plan. At one point during the Kickstarter, I was in for the boardgame, before being put off by a) the ridiculous number of cards coming with it b) comments Poots made during the Kickstarter that it would take 3 hours per session and multiple sessions to finish one game.
It was then I knew I'd never have people in my life willing to make that sort of time commitment to play a game with me, so I just dropped down to a few of my favorite individual minis.
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2015/08/06 06:48:35
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Stabbin' Skarboy
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My group pre ordered at gencon for 275. Still pretty steep but when cthulhu wars I believe is also in the 200 range it may start being the norm for "high end" board games.
Is it expensive? No doubt about it. But seeing the components and the game play had my group really excited for when we get our box.
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2015/08/06 07:11:02
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Calculating Commissar
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Some more bits from Poots in the comments yesterday. The first comments were about the shipping. The EU boxes are on their way to the EU distributors, he just hasn't confirmed where the ship currently is, other than "on the water".
Poots wrote:Messeangers, armor kits, dice, resins and pinups are all part of wave 1. We are personally picking and packing those to save cost and errors.
This doesn't answer what is happening to these bits for EU/RoW backers... so I assume these are coming from NA as well.
Poots wrote:resin beta backers will have their resin and the game + survivor level shipped out to them a few weeks in advance. We have created a living glossary and a live FAQ that we will provide a private invite for them. My hope is that they can help us flesh these out and instruct our team on where to provide on boarding support, for when the majority of the backers receive their game. I am also hoping, that they can provide us with some early insight into custom campaigns. As we are planning on developing extra content to be published online.
Someone then asked about the 5-6 player variant as nothing has really been seen about this. The core game has multiples of each equipment piece. I would assume this also explains the larger number of cards in the expansions too.
Poots wrote: There are 6 founding stone and 6 cloth gear cards. There are 3 of just about every other gear card in the box. More then enough to outfit 6 survivors, with our 5-6 player variant. Playing on a gear grid is not necessary and is something we don't even due around the office. (It's really just meant to help you learn the game).
And it looks like the monsters get harder. It sounds like you add in extra hit location cards, or more likely it adds some higher level AI cards than it would normally have for the difficulty.
Poots wrote:It makes the monster stronger to account for the extra players. You do not gain any additional rewards, since that would be campaign warping
Adam has also been posting over on Boardgamegeek in answer to some comments about the Showdown phase being bland and lacking tactical elements
Poots on BGG wrote:Kingdom Death: Monster and decisions.
At this point, I have played a lot of Monster (surprise!).
I can tell you that the game has a tremendous amount of small choices, that lead up to unbelievable in game coincidences. The order that players attack in, the choice of where they attack from and their positions on the board are exceptionally key depending on the monster you are fighting. Add that to gear choice, how and when to use it and how and when to use survival to perform actions that can interrupt both other players and monsters, the actual control you have over each of your choices is huge.
Of course, at the heart and soul of it... you do need to kill the monster before it tears everyone apart!
The White Lion, for example, has several cards in his HL (hit location) deck that will send it charging forward, dragging those along with it. A wise player might check to see what's in its HL discard pile, before hedging their bets on where to attack the monster from. For example, lets say that every other survivor is currently knocked down and there are currently no such cards in the discard, making the lions surge forward highly likely. The player could, on purpose, decide to attack it from the front, knowing that the lion will drag them away and knock them down. By tanking the reaction and going down, we now move into the White Lions turn with every survivor knocked down. Most of its AI cards will look for threats, and when it can't find them, it will perform its instinct "Sniff" instead of attacking. Thus, you have just turned a potentially high damage AI card, into a sniff, simply by hedging your bets and letting the White Lion drag you away from everyone with drag.
Of course... you COULD be unlucky and the monster might draw one of its few cards that specifically go for knocked down survivors.
The system does not make the "best choice" an obvious one. And I've seen many games where a table of players have suggested many different plans. Granted, when a lucky critical wound knocks the monster down early in the fight, I would very much advise any players in range to burn their survival to dash and into position and take advantage of it.
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2015/08/06 12:39:08
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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Has it been said when rewards were added during Black Friday sales would be shipped?
Say I backed during the kickstarter, then during a sale added the lonely tree- would it ship with my other expansions?
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2015/08/06 13:11:13
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Calculating Commissar
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If you backed during the KS, your bits will ship during the various KS phases, regardless of when you upped your pledges. The Black Friday phases are for people that jumped into KD:M by buying one of the Black Friday package deals
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2015/08/06 13:12:58
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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 endtransmission wrote:If you backed during the KS, your bits will ship during the various KS phases, regardless of when you upped your pledges. The Black Friday phases are for people that jumped into KD:M by buying one of the Black Friday package deals
Alright, I just noticed that the stuff I added later was never added to my main pledge, so I don't know if that's normal or if I need to send an email.
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2015/08/06 15:59:14
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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You know... for those questioning the validity of a $400 core game. Value is often a subjective thing, but I know that I and friends have spent more, for less, and suffered immense buyers remorse in the past.
For instance, someone wanting the new Lego Dimensions videogame will find it launching in September for $100 base-game, plus over $475 in "DLC" add-ons, on its very first day. That entire "experience" might provide 30hrs of gameplay.
Now, I find that a horrific value proposition, but I know friends with children, and Lego enthusiasts who find that exciting and have preorders in.
As I see it... Kingdom Death seems to be as close to a dungeon-master-less RPG as my group of friends and I will ever get. No one wants to DM, and everyone wants to play a long campaign/narrative based game with meaningful plot decisions, etc... For us, this game's value actually looks good.
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2015/08/06 16:34:32
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Thermo-Optical Tuareg
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Hm, I didn't back for the main game. I just got the exclusive survivors, armor packs, and some expansions. I might actually get most of my stuff before my brother for once.
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2015/08/06 18:09:50
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'm not sure the $400 starter MSRP affects me. I backed for the game, and plenty of expansions. Enough to keep me busy for a year (or more!).
I shudder to think what I've spent on Skylanders, but the difference is that it's been piecemeal over the past few years, versus a one-time lump sum payment.
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2015/08/06 19:40:15
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Experienced Saurus Scar-Veteran
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Reading Poots' combat descriptions makes me satisfied that I'm basically getting Monster Hunter: The Tabletop Experience wrapped in a much darker looking package.
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2015/08/06 19:43:34
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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 BrookM wrote:Instead of praying, read the rest of the email...
We will make our Sci-fi Pinup Twilight Knight available online some time after we return from the show, thank you!
This one?
I picked that up to look at it when I was in their booth, but Mrs. Kronkington just rolled her eyes at me and gave me that look. I didn't realize it was a sought after mini.
Lots of people the booth demoing games. They had 4 or 5 tables with board games running demos.
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2015/08/06 19:46:48
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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 kronk wrote:[
Lots of people the booth demoing games. They had 4 or 5 tables with board games running demos.
At which booth?
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2015/08/06 19:51:10
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I want to say it was the CMoN booth, but now I'm not sure. Edit: can't find a picture off-hand with google.
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2015/08/06 21:04:59
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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That would be the CMoN booth. They had a box of the twilight knight there as well as at the KD booth.
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2015/08/06 23:25:19
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Wasn't cincy at...the CMON booth?
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2015/08/07 00:02:39
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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I believe he said he started running tournaments Saturday/Sunday.
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2015/08/07 12:42:19
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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This is the case.
I was running the gaming area in hall C pretty much all weekend. Didn't realize we had any KD in the booth.
Had I known I'd have been the Sci-Fi Twilight Knight Oprah.
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2015/08/07 15:54:59
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Dentry wrote:
Just noticed the Scifi Twilight Knight is sold out. Wasn't sure we were gonna see that as it's plastic and didn't indicate the number of stock available. Wonder how soon it'll be up again.
What, already? I didn't even know it was up in the first place. I signed up for the mailing list last week. Shouldn't I have gotten an email about this? Did anyone else?
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2015/08/07 16:13:27
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Rainyday wrote: Dentry wrote:
Just noticed the Scifi Twilight Knight is sold out. Wasn't sure we were gonna see that as it's plastic and didn't indicate the number of stock available. Wonder how soon it'll be up again.
What, already? I didn't even know it was up in the first place. I signed up for the mailing list last week. Shouldn't I have gotten an email about this? Did anyone else?
It had sold out- it's back up. Comes with the 2 lantern exclusives as well.
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40k- The Kumunga Swarm (more)
Count Mortimer’s Private Security Force/Excavation Team (building)
Kabal of the Grieving Widow (less)
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2015/08/07 17:15:39
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Adam is not putting out an 'offical' email for it as picking and packing 100s of these will prevent them concentrating on the picking and packing of the KS stuff
the original idea was only to have it up briefly, then wait until after all the KS stuff was done with for a full release
but I guess there were so many email requests about where it had gone he's decided on a 'soft release' with no fanfare, those who really, really want it immediately will find it and everybody else will be none the wiser (and since they won't sell out no risk of newsletter subscribers missing out)
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2015/08/08 11:49:46
Subject: Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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 cincydooley wrote:
This is the case.
I was running the gaming area in hall C pretty much all weekend. Didn't realize we had any KD in the booth.
Had I known I'd have been the Sci-Fi Twilight Knight Oprah.
They were easy enough to miss. They were on the floor beneath the Rum & Bones Display in a cardboard box. It would have been easy enough to glance at it and assume it was displays that weren't put out.
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2015/08/08 21:46:13
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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Am I right in thinking that a few people got to demo a showdown phase with the Phoenix? I can't seem to find any write ups/ comments about it. I was just curious to see how differently another monster would play after seeing so much on the white lion. Do we think CMON will be stocking the sci-fi twilight knight? Getting one direct from the KDM store and getting it shipped to the UK is rather expensive.
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2015/08/08 21:51:34
Subject: Re:Kingdom Death - News and Rumors Thread
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 Dracones wrote:Am I right in thinking that a few people got to demo a showdown phase with the Phoenix? I can't seem to find any write ups/ comments about it. I was just curious to see how differently another monster would play after seeing so much on the white lion. Do we think CMON will be stocking the sci-fi twilight knight? Getting one direct from the KDM store and getting it shipped to the UK is rather expensive.
Getting it shipped from NY to PA is expensive - I don't know who he is using to ship, but it is at least double what sending it standard mail would be.
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