Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
So, no gamblers roll because some people on twitch didn't kill the phoenix?

According to the comments, they tried twice and lost twice. So no reveal tonight. Disappointing and, if I'm honest, a bit of a bizarre way to do a reveal...

26 rolls to be made 38 days to go I guess we will see them all in the end if he does not tie more rolls on such events I heard in the comments he does not roll on Sunday-Saturday, that reduces the rolls to be made to just 28.

Don't know I guess its interesting to cross promote the channels that support him, but makes me feel uneasy.

This bs is half the reason I dropped my Satan's Lantern. I couldn't imagine dealing with 4 years (or more) of this gak before I got everything I pledged for.

A strange reason, but I guess why not.

I am almost sure he will reveal all gamblers contents by the end of it and do a great work on the game and its contents and waiting for it, I have no problem, he stands for quality over speed, something others should also do, for example Mantic.

The entire Gambler's Chest is unlocked, the only thing being paced out is the reveals. If, somehow, near the end of the campaign there's still several unrevealed bits, I have absolutely no doubt he's going to reveal what's left in one go. If nothing else because he's tired of making a bunch of rerolls!

Sorry, he gives me Jeremy Glen vibes with all the nonsense and "artist, not a businessman" attitude. I can't go through that again...

Who is Jeremy Glen?

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Who is Jeremy Glen?

Guy who runs/ran Creature Caster.

Has he even delivered anything yet? Poots has at least delivered on his work.

I do think he is an artist first and will not compromise his vision (I deeply respect that) but he also seems to be a dependable businessman.

 zedmeister wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
So, no gamblers roll because some people on twitch didn't kill the phoenix?

According to the comments, they tried twice and lost twice. So no reveal tonight. Disappointing and, if I'm honest, a bit of a bizarre way to do a reveal...

But it is the perfect way to pace out the reveals to avoid mid-campaign doldrums. He's still revealing something new everyday. He'll probably skip weekends to stretch everything further so it's not 40 days of absolute silence or "yeah that's everything".

I'm actually getting less enthused about the 1.5 update. A sturdier tray is pretty useless, because the tray isn't big enough to hold even the expansions I already have, so I need a different way to store anyway. And it's going to make for a huge box and higher shipping charge.

I initially liked that it included a hard back rule book, but if there's really only a single new page of rules, I'd rather just have the new page and not pay so much for it and for shipping. But if there are a lot of little changes throughout then it will definitely be better to have a new rule book.

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Who is Jeremy Glen?

Guy who runs/ran Creature Caster.

Some more elaboration would be helpful; a quick skim of their most recent updates though does show some similarities so I can see your viewpoint.

In this particular case, I think Adam is indeed a businessman. He was handed $2M in 2013 and delivered most of the product in excess of the original pitch, just at a slower pace than predicted. Given the nature of HIPS tool-cutting being a year-long process normally, I'm more willing to extend a mulligan on the timeframe shift. He also accomplished that change through I believe an additional investment of $700K+ of monies raised by the company itself reportedly in a full year of sales. For a small boutique creator that basically only sells direct, that's actually a pretty substantial amount of revenue presuming it came from resources on hand and wasn't financed. Even if it was, selling out of the initial print run of KD:M likely repaid that which would still qualify as "good business". Compared to some creators who cleared 7 figures (Palladium Books, we're looking at you), KD:M was a delayed, but still very successful project. In this regard it seems starkly different to Creature Caster.

In my view, Adam's issue isn't that he is a bad businessman, his issue is he's a perfectionist with complete control. He doesn't have the person who can say "No, this is far enough" around, so he's free to push as far as he thinks he can. On the one hand, this has typically worked out to supporter's benefit as it results in higher quality. On the other, it does mean that a minor hiccup can delay things far more than it ought to because it has to be "fixed right" when many of the people he's making the game for would have been quite happy with the solution that was around three months ago but was only 90% of his vision.

That's a subjective thing though; if you're buying in for the miniatures, it's insanely annoying. If you're buying in to explore this bizarre world that is his vision, you want that extra bit of effort to go in. Nobody will be happy all of the time though.

I'm wondering how that new tray is going to get shipped out with all the upgrade kits.

If it happens to come in a new box (besides the gambler's box) then some of our storage issues will already be dealt with.

Has anyone asked how it's going to be dealt with?

Albino Squirrel wrote:

I initially liked that it included a hard back rule book, but if there's really only a single new page of rules, I'd rather just have the new page and not pay so much for it and for shipping. But if there are a lot of little changes throughout then it will definitely be better to have a new rule book.

We know saviors are being nerfed, the Hunt Event Table being reworked, 2 pages for the new epilogue, 4 pages for the Gold Smoke Knight, and he has alluded to there being plenty of other tweaks.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm wondering how that new tray is going to get shipped out with all the upgrade kits.

If it happens to come in a new box (besides the gambler's box) then some of our storage issues will already be dealt with.

Has anyone asked how it's going to be dealt with?

I believe is not yet determined if the tray will be part of the upgrade kits.

No need to white knight so hard guys. I love the game, miniatures and setting. It's the thought of having to put up with his antics* for 4 years that puts me off the project. That, and wanting to buy other things instead


*("ha! Fooled you!" Stretch goals, random "ermagherds" in comments instead of answering questions or adding updates, not adding updates/content because some random person didn't kill a monster, etc)

Alendrel wrote:

Albino Squirrel wrote:

I initially liked that it included a hard back rule book, but if there's really only a single new page of rules, I'd rather just have the new page and not pay so much for it and for shipping. But if there are a lot of little changes throughout then it will definitely be better to have a new rule book.

We know saviors are being nerfed, the Hunt Event Table being reworked, 2 pages for the new epilogue, 4 pages for the Gold Smoke Knight, and he has alluded to there being plenty of other tweaks.


Automatically Appended Next Post:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm wondering how that new tray is going to get shipped out with all the upgrade kits.

If it happens to come in a new box (besides the gambler's box) then some of our storage issues will already be dealt with.

Has anyone asked how it's going to be dealt with?

I believe is not yet determined if the tray will be part of the upgrade kits.

Why do you say this? The graphic in the update shows 600k as the updated storage tray as well as saying the changelog is for the update pack and game.

My supposition is one of the later reveals is an expansion box that will be the size of the tray and the upgrade pack will ship in it.

Alendrel wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm wondering how that new tray is going to get shipped out with all the upgrade kits.

If it happens to come in a new box (besides the gambler's box) then some of our storage issues will already be dealt with.

Has anyone asked how it's going to be dealt with?

I believe is not yet determined if the tray will be part of the upgrade kits.

So far this what Adam has said on the matter-
"I was planning on adding the insert to the upgrade pack. But it might be better for everyone if its optional. The insert is LARGE and will increase shipping by a non-significant amount. We'll figure that out, I am flexible on the matter, no worries."

Ah, thanks for adding that. That makes a lot of sense.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Nostromodamus wrote:

 PsychoticStorm wrote:
Who is Jeremy Glen?

Guy who runs/ran Creature Caster.

Some more elaboration would be helpful; a quick skim of their most recent updates though does show some similarities so I can see your viewpoint.

In this particular case, I think Adam is indeed a businessman. He was handed $2M in 2013 and delivered most of the product in excess of the original pitch, just at a slower pace than predicted. Given the nature of HIPS tool-cutting being a year-long process normally, I'm more willing to extend a mulligan on the timeframe shift. He also accomplished that change through I believe an additional investment of $700K+ of monies raised by the company itself reportedly in a full year of sales. For a small boutique creator that basically only sells direct, that's actually a pretty substantial amount of revenue presuming it came from resources on hand and wasn't financed. Even if it was, selling out of the initial print run of KD:M likely repaid that which would still qualify as "good business". Compared to some creators who cleared 7 figures (Palladium Books, we're looking at you), KD:M was a delayed, but still very successful project. In this regard it seems starkly different to Creature Caster.

In my view, Adam's issue isn't that he is a bad businessman, his issue is he's a perfectionist with complete control. He doesn't have the person who can say "No, this is far enough" around, so he's free to push as far as he thinks he can. On the one hand, this has typically worked out to supporter's benefit as it results in higher quality. On the other, it does mean that a minor hiccup can delay things far more than it ought to because it has to be "fixed right" when many of the people he's making the game for would have been quite happy with the solution that was around three months ago but was only 90% of his vision.

That's a subjective thing though; if you're buying in for the miniatures, it's insanely annoying. If you're buying in to explore this bizarre world that is his vision, you want that extra bit of effort to go in. Nobody will be happy all of the time though.

Really interesting post, thanks I enjoyed reading it.

Is there anywhere I can find high resolution pictures of the Kingdom death artwork? Id quite like to print some out frame it and hang it on my wall.

The digital artbook has some probably.

Im in the same boat, I am not ready to sit around for 4 years and wait for more KD:M, I will begrudgingly give Poots my $60 for an updated rulebook and cards, then hopefully forget all about this until it arrives.

Chopxsticks wrote:
Im in the same boat, I am not ready to sit around for 4 years and wait for more KD:M, I will begrudgingly give Poots my $60 for an updated rulebook and cards, then hopefully forget all about this until it arrives.

2020 is the latest everything will ship. Core ships summer 2017. Its in the FAQ.

But will it remain on target?

 BrookM wrote:
But will it remain on target?

Knowing Adam probably not.

The core game/upgrade packs are in production - prob not being printed/manufactured until after the KS so he has numbers to order, but tooling, layout, proofs and proofing, and those kinds of things are all underway, so the Summer 2017 for Wave 1 is likely fairly reliable. Waves 2 and 3 have a much better likelihood of slipping, and Wave 4 is entirely a CYA guess.

So, if I go in on the Lantern $250 pledge.. that's all Wave 1? Or are there other goodies included that are part of later waves?

 Necros wrote:
So, if I go in on the Lantern $250 pledge.. that's all Wave 1? Or are there other goodies included that are part of later waves?

It's just the Core box which is all Wave One. All of your reward's estimated ship date is Summer 2017.

My guess:
* Wave 1 will slip into Q3, possibly early Q4.
* Wave 2 might be "on time", and
* Wave 3 should be slightly early.
* Wave 4 should be early

Wave 1 can start additional tooling on Jan 15, but quantity won't be known until mid-March, when Surveys and PM close. That just isn't enough time to get *HUGE* production volumes finalized and popped and boxed and shipped. So I feel like Wave 1 will delay by at least 3 months. Iif the rules aren't already "done", that's going to be even later.

Wave 2+ where Adam has time to get control of things, but it's hard to say for sure.

 Necros wrote:
So, if I go in on the Lantern $250 pledge.. that's all Wave 1? Or are there other goodies included that are part of later waves?

The main game is Wave 1. Anything else you add on to the main pledge (gamblers box, expansions, etc) will come later.