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Too much thinking required me to just get everything.

Problem solved.

No thinking necessary!

(In my defense as soon as the rumblings of a second kickstarter began, I started saving my pennies for just such a situation. Thank goodness for those black friday bunldes though!)

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Too much thinking required me to just get everything.

Problem solved.

No thinking necessary!

(In my defense as soon as the rumblings of a second kickstarter began, I started saving my pennies for just such a situation. Thank goodness for those black friday bunldes though!)

Did you really get...everything?!?

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Too much thinking required me to just get everything.

NIIICE!

Just keep in mind I already got everything last time around as well.

It wasn't *that* bad.

Now if I can just finish painting the King's Hand, I'll have enough pieces finished to actually play the damned game!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Too much thinking required me to just get everything.

Problem solved.

No thinking necessary!

(In my defense as soon as the rumblings of a second kickstarter began, I started saving my pennies for just such a situation. Thank goodness for those black friday bunldes though!)

I like the cut of this man's jib, and not just because it matches my own...

Getting everything (gaming) last time wasn't that expensive, though. $90 for the core game, $30 for Dragon King... Under $400 total, and less than what you'd pay for 1.5 + GC.

 LordRogalDorn wrote:
I was really torn on the red witches, and I didn't end up getting them because it looked like you need to Gryphon expansion to make use of the gear they give you, and I don't really want the Gryphon expansion right now.

I missed the Gryphon link for Red Witches - I just got them because they looked nice and it sounded like they'd be a different experience.

Oh. I guess I'll substitute Gormite or something generally similar.

Kingdom Death 4-time creator about 10 hours ago
685 Card errors, about 1500 backers that still need to fill out their survey. Emailing final warning shortly! Gotta keep chasing everyone up so we can get our production numbers ready! The factory need to know how many CONTAINERS of raw plastic to order!

That's a lot of incomplete orders!

~2185 total problems (assuming no overlap of card issue+incomplete) out of a minimum of 19,264 backers (number of late backers is unknown) is about an 89% completion rate at its worst. I gather that this isn't terribly unusual for KS campaigns, primarily due to people placing a small pledge for access to the post-campaign manager that then decide not to pursue it further. Now, if he's in the triple digits on pledges for hundreds of dollars that weren't completed that'd be much more noteworthy from an outside perspective. From Adam's perspective though you don't want one of those $5 add-on only pledges to balloon into a multi-game order at the last second since he's trying to get order quantities down.

Can't wait for all the goodies to start showing up, even though I know it'll be nearly 2018 before the first bits start showing up and probably 2019 and beyond for the rest (I already have all the present expansions... )

I am wondering about the card errors, mine gave an error because? reasons? I resubmitted the same card and it was accepted.

Maybe some problem with the script?

 Krinsath wrote:
~2185 total problems (assuming no overlap of card issue+incomplete) out of a minimum of 19,264 backers (number of late backers is unknown) is about an 89% completion rate at its worst.

I gather that this isn't terribly unusual for KS campaigns, primarily due to people placing a small pledge for access to the post-campaign manager that then decide not to pursue it further. Now, if he's in the triple digits on pledges for hundreds of dollars that weren't completed that'd be much more noteworthy from an outside perspective.

From Adam's perspective though you don't want one of those $5 add-on only pledges to balloon into a multi-game order at the last second since he's trying to get order quantities down.

Can't wait for all the goodies to start showing up, even though I know it'll be nearly 2018 before the first bits start showing up and probably 2019 and beyond for the rest (I already have all the present expansions... )

I closed late, so my Backerkit number was over 19,000. That means there were a minimum of 2,185 late backers. 2,185/ 21,185 is still a 10% problem rate. The 685 card errors are simply banks being surprised by sudden $kk purchases from "Adam Poots", but I'd expect almost all of those to get sorted out. So that leaves the 1,500... With some being potentially Satan pledges (who pledges $1,666 and ignores it?), that could be over $2.5M! If he has to refund $2+M, that's a huge hit to the project. As for the $5 Add-ons, there were only 625 also consider the 1,382 Upgrade-only backers that might jump into a big number, going to full games and adding expansions. Of course, it's probably not that bad, but the big numbers make it a real headache.

If I were Adam, I'd simply refund the under $100 backers and remove the option to add core games. Upgrade packs can still bump up to a core, but that limits his production exposure in a big way.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
What did you actually get?

Relatively lots of minis. Do you want the names of the sets I am ostensibly buying or the names of all the minis I am anticipating, including all the minis I have traded/will be trading my rulebooks, tiles, chits and cards for?

Well, I did, but I now understand that you don't want to share, so I won't ask any further.

I am honestly surprised that you did care about what I pledged for. I wasn't trying to be hostile; I just did not understand. I figured the list posting was about self expression, not sharing with a caring community. I was wrong, so I apologize.

In the spirit of sharing, I bought only add ons:

Nightmare Ram, because that is the quintessential KDM monster in my mind. Also, cool armor kits.

Screaming God, because it looks huge and terrifying and kind of Wayne Barlowe/Guillermo del Toroish. Also, cool narrative sculpts.

Frogdog, because those armor kits fit my fantasy army very well, and also because the monster itself looks just like a creepy sculpture in a friend's grandmother's house of a frog with an old woman's face and bosom. It's practically a rose/turtle/19 call-out from a Stephen King story for me.

Flower Armor, because it looks cool (and pretty).

Pariah, which looks like Jareth the Goblin King if he had appeared in a del Toro film.

Super Survivors, because Dragon Ball. And I never expected the perfect Beetle Knight to be that handsome. So handsome.

I think I got the Death Armor...or maybe the Black Knight? Some awesome bad guy armor for sure.

I think(?) I got the honeycomb weaver, too, because it's such a great monster and the armor is totes John Blanche on mescaline (so, John Blanche).

If I had the money, I would have gone for the Gryphon so he could Harryhausen my Dragon King, the pin ups with the skull helms and staffs or swords because who doesn't like evil cosplay sorceresses?, the Ivory Tree Silver Mountain whatever expansion with all the cool minis, and the Kingsman pin up because the kingsman is still one of my favorite KDM minis and could plausibly sneak into a hidden fortress to rescue some lordling in distress ("Aren't you a little thic to be a kingsman?").

If the pledge manager opens up some time from now, after I have a chance to save up and pay for Rising Sun, I'll add some of those later expansions. Maybe I'll try to eBay a King's Hand or some of the other cool minis from the core box.

Bob, that's a much more interesting share, and I like the explanations.

In the list sharing, I'm just curious to see what people's tastes are, given how KD:M has such a variety of things to get, from cutesy cheescake/beefcake pinups, to diorama set pieces (Behind the Wall); from funny monsters (Sunstalker), to freaky monsters (Frogdog); and from single model adds (Flower Knight) to massive campaigns (Abyssal Woods).

I appreciate that your tastes are different than mine, so I was just curious where you went with it.

For example, while I liked the Death Armor, but I decided to swap that for Screaming God which has even more armors plus a giant monsters, plus the gorgeous Illuminated.

OTOH, the Nightmare Ram didn't really do anything for me, neither as a sculpt, nor as a dungeon crawler (I have SDE for that), also that I see Gorm as more iconic.

I was also waffling on the Black Knight, and didn't add them either.

It's all good.

BTW, there are a LOT of people asking for a reopen for Wave 3/4 down the line. I think we'll see that. Not sure if Wave 2 will see a reopen, though.

Yeah, don't get the specifics either, Bob.

And yes, those guys are coming your way. Heh, hadn't thought about the Honeycomb weaver like that.


Personally, my #1 excitement is for the Woods expansion, I think it had everything I was really looking forward to other than the black knight and ram. Wasn't sold on the mountain expansion b/c.... eh. Just too huge and I'm pretty skeptical that it needs to be played with exactly those expansions. Also, enough misses that I wasn't in to it.

The nightmare Ram has all the KDM staples: faces, hands, a lantern, flesh like a stripped chicken, probably some genitals somewhere. The distilled, and presumably sticky, essence of Kingdom Death in one squick-worthy mini. Of course, the King was an even better specimen of KDMness, which is why I shelled out for the Lantern Festival...

On the other hand, I can't get over the Gorm looking like a big baby. It looks like the kind of doll monster that would bite Barbarella's clothes in suggestive places. However, I can see where you're coming from on that mini with regards to iconic KDM design.

Is it bad that I have no idea what waves any of the things I bought are in? I remember the cool monsters and armor sketches, but when it comes to dates, I just assume everything will take years to arrive.


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 spiralingcadaver wrote:
Yeah, don't get the specifics either, Bob.

And yes, those guys are coming your way. Heh, hadn't thought about the Honeycomb weaver like that.


Personally, my #1 excitement is for the Woods expansion, I think it had everything I was really looking forward to other than the black knight and ram. Wasn't sold on the mountain expansion b/c.... eh. Just too huge and I'm pretty skeptical that it needs to be played with exactly those expansions. Also, enough misses that I wasn't in to it.

I'll have to go through the PMs again when I have time and see where the final trade tally settled. Was honeycomb weaver included? I forget.

Yarp! Comes with 2, you're getting the one with less ornamentation.

And for the waves, IIRC almost everything you're after is coming in the late wave in 2019.

@Bob, Gorm has extra arms, lantern lure, bare flesh, and testes each the size of a Space Marine's head! He's just not made of extra arms like the Ram. I think maybe you like when extra arms when they're integrated into the body? Ram & Pariah both do that.

Wave 1 is Core Game (only) - Q2/3 2017?
Wave 2 is current Expansions - Q4 2017?
Wave 3 is Pinups = 2018
Wave 4 is new Expansions - 2019?
Wave 5 is stuff that goes late (likely Ivory Dragon & Abyssal Woods) - 2020?

I locked in the Satan's Lantern pledge early on, which, I think was almost everything? Then, of the add-ons that were not included in that pledge, I grabbed the Pathfinder pinup crossover, the candy/cola one, the Zombicide crossover, and the 3d plastic board. I think the only thing I didn't get was the anime dude crossover, which I was not familiar with, didn't think was that great looking, and so passed on it.

Keep in mind I watched the first KS and drooled over everything, but could not afford to back it at the time. I've wanted so many of the kits that sold out fast on the webstore and then were only available for jacked up prices on ebay. I am an OCD completionist on so many levels, that I decided to go all-in this time even though I still cant really justify the amount of money I dropped on this KS...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The nightmare Ram has all the KDM staples: faces, hands, a lantern, flesh like a stripped chicken, genitals everywhere.

FTFY

I thought the core game was supposed to ship in July? Excited for this since I didn't opt in for the game the first time.

What Adam was saying:

Wave 1 - Estimated Delivery Summer 2017 Core Game / 1.5 Update Pack

Wave 2 - Estimated Delivery Winter 2017 (Still hoping for Summer 2017)

Wave 3 - Estimated Delivery Spring 2018

Wave 4 - Estimated Delivery Spring 2019

Wave 5 & Beyond - Estimated Delivery Winter 2020 "Even I don't know for 100% what may happen during this campaign."

Not only are all those 'dates' subject to change, there's almost no doubt many (most? all?) will slip - significantly!

Still, I hope to be playing KD 1.5 + all the 'old expansion' that I ordered early in 2018...

Everything will slip.

Adam already said that Wave 1 will slip by 3 months.

Still as Wave 1 & 2 don't require new tooling or development, you'd think they'd be (relatively) quick to ship out once Adam can lock in for quantities.

He did?

I missed that!

That probably means everything's shifted by a quarter now...

IIRC, he underestimated the core game reprint run that got started prior to the KS, hence that delay.

Can't fault him for been cautious.

Lot of people reporting receiving an email with non-functioning links claiming that they're in jeopardy of forfeiting their pledges as they haven't finalized them

Even though they had, paid for extras and been charged for them.

I am one of those people too!

A bit worrying, and as far as I know there hasn't been an 'official explanation' for this yet either...

When did you complete your pledge? The comments suggest it's only those people who weren't locked at least 24 hours prior to close.

The survival horror game begins...

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
When did you complete your pledge? The comments suggest it's only those people who weren't locked at least 24 hours prior to close.

Not the case here - locked it around 11:40AM EST, and my card was successfully charged.

I'm not too worried, as I've got the e-receipt, as well as screenshots, etc.

Still weird to get that though...

Maybe just a Backerkit/Poots issue?

I've submitted a ticket with KD though, just to be on the safe side.