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Meds actually would be one of those things that virtually disappears, along with food in general. There might be vast amounts left at distribution hubs or manufacturers, but at places like stores and stuff it would be gone. Just look at what happens when you have the mere threat of a Hurricane or something of that nature.

But we're getting off topic for this thread. I'd be down to continue the conversation in another thread though.

 Elbows wrote:
Yep, it's just an extension of the false belief that we'll run out of everything in six months (despite 90% of the population disappearing...resulting in overwhelming surplus of almost every conceivable necessity - including ammo). But, ya know...zombie show?

The only downside is the inability to carry large amounts of ammo. I have perhaps 3-4K at the moment, but short of carrying it in a car, I wouldn't be able to throw it in a bag and run with it (that's 50-60 lbs. of ammo). So if you were forced to leave your own stash you would have to locate some others, but again - pretty easy pickin's in the free states.

I have enough .22s to stop the Zombie apocalypse cold. Its not going to fit in a truck...


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Meds actually would be one of those things that virtually disappears, along with food in general. There might be vast amounts left at distribution hubs or manufacturers, but at places like stores and stuff it would be gone. Just look at what happens when you have the mere threat of a Hurricane or something of that nature.

But we're getting off topic for this thread. I'd be down to continue the conversation in another thread though.

And gasoline.

Another thing that would be in short supply in the US would be Textiles. The US does NOT produce clothing in any useful amount.


Back on topic though, my dad was an avid hunter in his youth. It kept us fed for cheap, and he even did some deep-woods elk hunting on a number of occasions. He had an old-school reloading machine.

About 10 years ago he remodeled his basement and got brand new duel reloading bays. However, his health quickly deteriorated, and to the best of my knowledge the stuff has never been used.

I've been wanting to breach the subject with him about using his basement to reload, but I'm afraid I'll look like a moocher. In addition, our preferences in calibers have little overlap, so I'd likely have to get my own dyes. I think the only calibers we both shoot are 12 gauge, 30-30, 308, and .357.

broach*

 cuda1179 wrote:
Another thing that would be in short supply in the US would be Textiles. The US does NOT produce clothing in any useful amount.


Back on topic though, my dad was an avid hunter in his youth. It kept us fed for cheap, and he even did some deep-woods elk hunting on a number of occasions. He had an old-school reloading machine.

About 10 years ago he remodeled his basement and got brand new duel reloading bays. However, his health quickly deteriorated, and to the best of my knowledge the stuff has never been used.

I've been wanting to breach the subject with him about using his basement to reload, but I'm afraid I'll look like a moocher. In addition, our preferences in calibers have little overlap, so I'd likely have to get my own dyes. I think the only calibers we both shoot are 12 gauge, 30-30, 308, and .357.

Reloading is actually a lot of fun...nothing better then being able to dial in a rifle with hand loads. My 22-250 are wicked accurate since I started hand loading 20+ yrs ago. Only problem is the price of powder is always increasing so if you find a good deal buy as much as you can afford

Quite possibly the dumbest question ever, Does gunpowder ever get old? My dad still has 3 20 pound kegs from the late 1970's in the basement. Probably more than I'd use in my lifetime.

I don’t think so as long as it doesn’t get wet.

Aye, as Templar said, should be fine as long as it wasn't exposed to moisture. Just make sure it's the right kind of powder and doesn't smell funkier than normal and I think you should be fine.

During the USS Iowa accident (1989), they were using powder from WW2.

(the accident had nothing to do with the age of the powder)

Had a range day at our place today. Wife and I had a few friends over. Fired over 20 different long guns and hand guns. Great crew of folks. I unfortunately didn't get any pictures but my wife may have. I'll try to snag them and upload a couple. We probably sent a couple thousand rounds downrange today.

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Setting up a gong by the backstop berm.



Wife and Daughter look on as I'm firing one of the ARs.

Just a reminder that the bump stock ban goes into effect on Monday. I do not believe any of the appeals thus far have been successful.

If you own a bump stock, you must have destroyed it or turned it into law enforcement / the ATF prior to Monday, or you will be in possession of an unlicensed machine gun.

Shooting the Tavor:




Showing Daughter how it works so she could shoot it.



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So I'm reloading magazines. Load all the 9mm stuff, load the 7.62 NATO, load the .22LR, and then the 5.56. As I finish up the 5.56 I realize I'm down to less than 500 rounds left. I start to think 'Damn, I best get to ordering MOAR. Then I notice an ammo can in the back of the closet. I go to grab it thinking it is the one with all my cleaning materials and about throw out my back. It is 1000 rounds of M855 I forgot I had.

Hooray!

 Ouze wrote:
During the USS Iowa accident (1989), they were using powder from WW2.

(the accident had nothing to do with the age of the powder)

Which isn't to say that there were not problems with that. Off Vieques they barely got the breachlock shut in time before they had a accidental discharge. of a 16" gun...

Given the shenanigans that went on with Iowa, I swear to God they were TRYING to sink that ship.


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 Ouze wrote:
Just a reminder that the bump stock ban goes into effect on Monday. I do not believe any of the appeals thus far have been successful.

If you own a bump stock, you must have destroyed it or turned it into law enforcement / the ATF prior to Monday, or you will be in possession of an unlicensed machine gun.

Just an interesting note: Nation Wide numbers for turn ins have been.... very low. New Jersey, Vermont and Mass have had.. three, two, and zero, respectively. I expect this is going to turn int oa massive headache for BATFE.

Is that "range" propperly secured? You would not want heavy metals in the ground now would you?

That's a typical US range - middle of nowhere, shoot into a berm.

 Elbows wrote:
That's a typical US range - middle of nowhere, shoot into a berm.

Well probably just my typical swiss upringing.
So no change of Earth? Just letting the bullets there afterwards?

Depends on the berm. Some berms are just that - piles of dirt - even professional and law enforcement ranges. For personal and private land, even after a lifetime of shooting the amount of actual lead or harmful metals in that small patch of ground is minimal.

Some people will occasionally dig up their berms to collect old spent bullets for recycling, etc.

(of course some of the more "well built" purpose aimed ranges will have big berms, but they'll have rubber tires or old rail-road ties stashed in the berm to "catch" the bullets, etc.)

That is the back side of one of my ponds.

Yes it is 'secure'. You have to bust through an iron gate and go up 1/4 mile of driveway to get to it, or trek through some gawd awful swamp. In either case the live stock guardian dogs will alert me to your presence. Bad day for someone who trespasses.

As for heavy metals in the ground, seriously? Isn't lead found in the ground to begin with? I'm just sending it home. None of our critters graze anywhere near there and I don't intend to grow tomatoes for my salads on the berm either.

 CptJake wrote:
That is the back side of one of my ponds.

Yes it is 'secure'. You have to bust through an iron gate and go up 1/4 mile of driveway to get to it, or trek through some gawd awful swamp. In either case the live stock guardian dogs will alert me to your presence. Bad day for someone who trespasses.

As for heavy metals in the ground, seriously? Isn't lead found in the ground to begin with? I'm just sending it home. None of our critters graze anywhere near there and I don't intend to grow tomatoes for my salads on the berm either.

Over here you would mostlikely get sued, not for firing your gun ofcourse but for A: noise pollution and B: environmental damage.

Also no you are not sending it home (except you also dig the lead up right there which you don't i think).
No worries though other Lands other manners

 CptJake wrote:
That is the back side of one of my ponds.

Yes it is 'secure'. You have to bust through an iron gate and go up 1/4 mile of driveway to get to it, or trek through some gawd awful swamp. In either case the live stock guardian dogs will alert me to your presence. Bad day for someone who trespasses. .

How 'back side' are we talking? A good ways, or is over-penetration a possibility? I use an old abandoned sand mine, so I'm sure I can fire ANYTHING and it's not an issue.

The public range near me, sponsored by the Iowa DNR, is indeed a gigantic dirt berm as well.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
That is the back side of one of my ponds.

Yes it is 'secure'. You have to bust through an iron gate and go up 1/4 mile of driveway to get to it, or trek through some gawd awful swamp. In either case the live stock guardian dogs will alert me to your presence. Bad day for someone who trespasses. .

How 'back side' are we talking? A good ways, or is over-penetration a possibility? I use an old abandoned sand mine, so I'm sure I can fire ANYTHING and it's not an issue.

If the rounds penetrate 15-20 feet of dirt my pond may spring a leak. I'm not too worried.

Any range I’ve been to, public or private, has just had a dirt berm to shoot into.

And nobody gives a gak about noise pollution or environmental damage. I’m more bothered by the morons who rev their atv down my street for hours on end than hearing gunshots.

 Nostromodamus wrote:
Any range I’ve been to, public or private, has just had a dirt berm to shoot into.

And nobody gives a gak about noise pollution or environmental damage. I’m more bothered by the morons who rev their atv down my street for hours on end than hearing gunshots.

Yeah, where I live 'noise pollution' isn't going to get me in trouble. As long as I'm not firing within 200 yards of someone else's house (and I'm not, I'm on 30 acres) it is all legal. A couple of the 'neighbors' shoot almost as much as I do. As long as you know what direction your shooting and don't shoot towards someone else's critters or house it is all good.

 CptJake wrote:

If the rounds penetrate 15-20 feet of dirt my pond may spring a leak. I'm not too worried.

Yeah, you probably wouldn't have to worry about it. Was thinking though that the water might make it easier to recover solid rounds. Takes a lot of spade work to recover 20 pounders from a Parrott after it passes through a target.

It depends on the round. Pistol rounds are often intact with water, but rifle rounds often just shatter if they hit it. Incompressability and all that.

 CptJake wrote:
That is the back side of one of my ponds.

Yes it is 'secure'. You have to bust through an iron gate and go up 1/4 mile of driveway to get to it, or trek through some gawd awful swamp. In either case the live stock guardian dogs will alert me to your presence. Bad day for someone who trespasses.

As for heavy metals in the ground, seriously? Isn't lead found in the ground to begin with? I'm just sending it home. None of our critters graze anywhere near there and I don't intend to grow tomatoes for my salads on the berm either.

I have images of old Heavy Metal VCR tapes* sticking out of the ground...


*Childrenz gather around. In the Before Time, your ancient ancestors used to watch movies in their Model Ts on something called "VCRs." Imagine if all your Youtube videos were stored on flash drives the size of a brick, AND ONLY ONE MOVIE PER FLASH DRIVE!

In other news, did a Steel Challenge match Sunday. I was doing good except one type of the metal plates rang about the same tune level as my tinitis and I couldn't tell if they were being hit or not. Eventually I had to have a guy stand behind me calling me shots on them.

 Grey Templar wrote:
It depends on the round. Pistol rounds are often intact with water, but rifle rounds often just shatter if they hit it. Incompressability and all that.

20 pounder is subsonic, so maybe? To be honest, I'm not sure I want to fling a 20 pound shell at a target that I don't know what it's going to do if it hits. I've seen what that does to people, and it's not pretty.

I suppose I'll stick to sand berms.

Frazzled wrote:

In other news, did a Steel Challenge match Sunday. I was doing good except one type of the metal plates rang about the same tune level as my tinitis and I couldn't tell if they were being hit or not. Eventually I had to have a guy stand behind me calling me shots on them.

Sounds awesome except for the tinitis. Im hoping to get to shoot a match next month here if the course is open. What'd you roll out to the match with?

 Vaktathi wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

In other news, did a Steel Challenge match Sunday. I was doing good except one type of the metal plates rang about the same tune level as my tinitis and I couldn't tell if they were being hit or not. Eventually I had to have a guy stand behind me calling me shots on them.

Sounds awesome except for the tinitis. Im hoping to get to shoot a match next month here if the course is open. What'd you roll out to the match with?

M&P Pro with KKM barrel and Apex trigger (< 3lb pull weight). Gun is better than I am, which is not hard. Saturday I will be one of the also rans at the Gulf Coast Championship. watch out for that geezer! Is he having a heart attack? Yee ha.

What sport do you play?