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In the UK, there are no restrictions on sound moderators for air rifles as far as I know.

And sound moderators for firearms are just controlled in the same way as the firearms themselves, i.e. you need to add them to your firearm certificate.

IIIRC the Welrod managed something like 70ish decibels.

Got my SVT 40 two days ago, love it. Though with Sellier & Bellot ammunition the relatively weak powedr charge tends to cause a few incidents and forces you to shoot at 100m with sights at 200m.

I have a suppressor that I run on a .300blk SBR - which was a cartridge that was designed to be suppressed, so is one of the best cases. It's still very audible even with subsonic ammo - there is a lot of racket from the action cycling, as it's a semi-auto. The real perk is I don't need to wear my hearing protection.




If I'm shooting a plate (i'm not here), that is now the loudest sound.

Whoever said Extraction earlier, I think that was about right for what he was running. Definitely not that little pfft pfft you see in the movies.

The John Wick movies usually have pretty accurate gunplay, but sadly the suppressors aren't included in that. Like the hallway scene where they're having their suppressed pistol fight and people are oblivious.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The John Wick movies usually have pretty accurate gunplay, but sadly the suppressors aren't included in that. Like the hallway scene where they're having their suppressed pistol fight and people are oblivious.

Hahaha I forgot about that one.

As good as the handling is there are a load of issues with the ballistics of the movie, unfortunately. JW1 was pretty damn kick ass though.

The level of suppression is directly related to ballstics. You have to keep the bullets subsonic to keep things really quiet. But even something like a rifle length integrally suppressed PCC isn't going to be movie quiet.

This is a suppressed 9x19mm rifle. There are obviously limitations from my recording equipment but its really about as quiet
as you can get something in 9mm. Pistol suppressors aren't as good for various reasons, internal volume, powder burn percentage, First Round Pop, if they are shot wet or dry,
the presence or deterioration of baffles and the like.

My 15-22 works quite well with sub-sonics


This is with some 5.56 and 7.62 AR's in the background. The ping is a hanging plate at 75m. So a little pop, klackity klackity from the bolt and the ping. Quieter than the center fire
rounds but not even movie quiet at 40gr 800fps. Hardly a combat load. Suppressing a center fire, especially a super sonic one isn't nearly as effective. It does still have real world
uses but it isn't anywhere as quiet as Hollywood.

IIRC, Delta Force used the M3 'Grease Gun' specifically because it fired a subsonic round.

I doubt it was the only consideration. Of more importance was probably its availability and how light and compact it was.

 Grey Templar wrote:
I doubt it was the only consideration. Of more importance was probably its availability and how light and compact it was.

It wasn't for the accuracy or reliability, that's for certain. Most people I've talked to who used both preferred the Thompson over the M3. Fewer accidental discharges and more bullets actually hitting the target.

Thompson was definitely better in terms of reliability and performance, but pretty much a full 2lbs heavier.

The only thing that ultimately mattered was that Thompsons started out at $200 a pop when the war started, and even though the price went down, it was never less than like $45, and even then that wasn't until the war was almost over.

I'd be surprised if it even cost 10 bucks to turn out a grease gun.

 Ouze wrote:
The only thing that ultimately mattered was that Thompsons started out at $200 a pop when the war started, and even though the price went down, it was never less than like $45, and even then that wasn't until the war was almost over.

I'd be surprised if it even cost 10 bucks to turn out a grease gun.

Except that Delta Force was founded in, IIRC, 1977. WW2 costs were not a relevant thing for their choices in firearms, and the last M3A1s were produced for Korea, though they were still used by drivers into the Gulf War. I'm given to understand that they switched fairly quickly to the HK MP5.

The MP5 is superior in so many ways over the other SMG choices at the time it's really a no brainer. And even today it is difficult to justify other SMGs over it.

HK found that out when they released the UMP thinking it would replace the MP5 for sales. People really didn't see any need to change. I mean, nothing wrong with the UMP, but when you're already got a good thing going...

Somehow misread... or didn't catch the post that started this off. Not sure how I got WW2 out of that.

What I read was that they were surplus weapons put to use in the early days when the military bigwigs didn't want to bless them with funding. The pre SOCOM days were very different.

 trexmeyer wrote:
What I read was that they were surplus weapons put to use in the early days when the military bigwigs didn't want to bless them with funding. The pre SOCOM days were very different.

Sounds about right. The training film they used at the time said that the M3A1 was superior to the Thompson for accuracy (it's not) and other SMGs just aren't mentioned at all. So I'm guessing that the question did arise in the ranks as well.

Going to be getting a daily CC pistol. What is everyone's recommendations? I'm leaning towards the Sig P365 but I am open to alternatives.

Walking around all day with an AR-15 just seems a bit silly

Thats not a bad choice. Really, it seems like the main consideration for a CCW should be the width of the weapon as thats the main thing that makes it difficult to conceal. Ideally, you want something just above an inch wide IMO.

SemperMortis wrote:
Going to be getting a daily CC pistol. What is everyone's recommendations? I'm leaning towards the Sig P365 but I am open to alternatives.

Walking around all day with an AR-15 just seems a bit silly

It depends on where you live and what's available. The P365 is a solid choice.

But, allow me to offer a different idea. The Glock 43X. It's a slimline pistol with 10 rounds OEM magazines, but you can get 15 round flush fit mags that do require a metal mag release replacement for the OEM part but 15 rounds, small package, light slim. https://shieldarms.com/s15

Kayback wrote:

SemperMortis wrote:
Going to be getting a daily CC pistol. What is everyone's recommendations? I'm leaning towards the Sig P365 but I am open to alternatives.

Walking around all day with an AR-15 just seems a bit silly

It depends on where you live and what's available. The P365 is a solid choice.

But, allow me to offer a different idea. The Glock 43X. It's a slimline pistol with 10 rounds OEM magazines, but you can get 15 round flush fit mags that do require a metal mag release replacement for the OEM part but 15 rounds, small package, light slim. https://shieldarms.com/s15

I'm leaning towards the P365, but I really wanted a slightly bigger gun, grip wise that is. And i hate the extender kit that the 365 has.

Haha.

I was looking at a P365 for CC as well, but everything I've seen about it looks like the grip is small, probably too small as I my hands are a bit larger than average. The grip on my 629 is too perfect, but it leaves a massive imprint and I'd rather have a semi for CC.

Kind of lost.

 trexmeyer wrote:
Haha.

I was looking at a P365 for CC as well, but everything I've seen about it looks like the grip is small, probably too small as I my hands are a bit larger than average. The grip on my 629 is too perfect, but it leaves a massive imprint and I'd rather have a semi for CC.

Kind of lost.

That is how I am as well, i have larger than average hands and the P365 just doesn't fit. I'm going to hit the gun store later this week I hope, i'll let you know if i find any I like, since we share a similar problem lol

Try a S&W Shield with the extended magazine. If you like the feel ditch the weird magazine gap filler thing and get an extended magazine well for the compact shield from Sampson Manufacturing. Making little guns bigger one accessory at a time.

IF you are in the USA, go to a gun show. There will be a dozen venders or more (at dulles each time, there are several hundred) and each may have a hundred different gun types available for you to pick up and feel how it fits your hand.

That being said, I recommend looking at fairly cheap guns for anyone who isn't certain that THIS or THAT gun is the one they really, really want or need. Like a taurus G2S (the slimmer, single stack versino of the taurus G2C 9mm pistol) is a fairly conceal friendly weapon and about 220 bucks, whereas you can spend three times that on some of its near competitors and end up going "meh, I just don't like this one." a few test fires later.

If you can find a range that rents guns, by all means go to it and blow through some ammo and an hour trying different ones out, before you buy one (that may take a couple months looking to pick up in the current market anway.). You may find this one or that one is well fitted to your hand, that you had not htought of at all, you may discover this other one's trigger is not your best friend, you may find some other prospect one kicks like a mule, or feels cheaply made to you, or you don't like the sights on it. Whatever!

One of the "Pie in the Sky" wish list guns wanted was some kind of 50BMG rifle. They always seemed to be outside my disposable income.... until now. Serbu now has a single shot 50bmg for just over $1000

Dukeofstuff wrote:
IF you are in the USA, go to a gun show. There will be a dozen venders or more (at dulles each time, there are several hundred) and each may have a hundred different gun types available for you to pick up and feel how it fits your hand.

That being said, I recommend looking at fairly cheap guns for anyone who isn't certain that THIS or THAT gun is the one they really, really want or need. Like a taurus G2S (the slimmer, single stack versino of the taurus G2C 9mm pistol) is a fairly conceal friendly weapon and about 220 bucks, whereas you can spend three times that on some of its near competitors and end up going "meh, I just don't like this one." a few test fires later.

If you can find a range that rents guns, by all means go to it and blow through some ammo and an hour trying different ones out, before you buy one (that may take a couple months looking to pick up in the current market anway.). You may find this one or that one is well fitted to your hand, that you had not htought of at all, you may discover this other one's trigger is not your best friend, you may find some other prospect one kicks like a mule, or feels cheaply made to you, or you don't like the sights on it. Whatever!

Yep, US based. At the moment every gun range is closed because apparently covid spreads at an open air range, but not at walmart. Damnedest thing.

What state?

Around here the ranges are closed because of fire, not covid

Here's a question: anyone have a Winchester 97 riot? I'm eyeballing one, but I'd like feedback from people who've used one, and a real Winchester, not that Norinco 97 BS.

SemperMortis wrote:
Yep, US based. At the moment every gun range is closed because apparently covid spreads at an open air range, but not at walmart. Damnedest thing.

I think that's going to vary wildly depending on your state. In Iowa, there are no restrictions. In IL, which had tighter protections against covid, gun stores and ranges were and are considered "essentially businesses" as they provide training to off duty cops and provide ammo to them. My home (indoor) range is in IL, and it's been open the entire time.

 cuda1179 wrote:
One of the "Pie in the Sky" wish list guns wanted was some kind of 50BMG rifle. They always seemed to be outside my disposable income.... until now. Serbu now has a single shot 50bmg for just over $1000

I saw that one and I was pretty underwhelmed to be honest. Yeah, it's a .50 for less than $8.000 but I saw a video on it, and it's kinda lame. Relatively short barrel, you need to partially disassemble the breach to remove the case... and you need pliers to get the case out.

I do like their semi quite a bit, but 8x the price. Sigh.

If you absolutely must have a 50 on a budget, it checks the box for sure, but for me - who just wants a 50 for the cool factor - this doesn't have a lot of the cool factor.