Firearms you own, and their uses.

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**ScarletRose**

Grey Templar wrote:
Might be hard to do a proper torture test with only 5 and 8 round mags.

The main way firearms fail in a torture test is from heating the gun up faster than it can cool which causes more damage than that same number of rounds fired in a more reasonable duration(IE: a gun that fires 1k rounds in 1 minute will be damaged way more from that than one which fired 1k rounds over a couple hours). And with that few, and such low capacity, it might not be possible to physically feed it fast enough to do that.

That said, shotgun torture tests would be interesting. You might have some failures that wouldn't happen in other firearms, like a shell melting in the chamber. Maybe even cooking off without pulling the trigger as the plastic is way less heat resistant than a metal casing.

On the otherhand, I just dont see it warping the barrel or anything like some other firearms could. Its going to have a lot more surface area and less heat buildup relative to other guns.

Might be like when the US was testing the Maxim gun(I think). IIRC they fired it for like 2 weeks or something continuously, it never failed, and they only stopped the test because they ran out of ammo.

Maybe it would work with the assistance of a loader handing off refilled mags. Pump shotgun torture tests are a thing and by their nature they're not firing that fast either, so it could still be possible with semi auto.

I would also add for Mad Dok's context there's a huge variability in the quality of these semi-auto shotguns. There's a lot of cheap (usually Turkish made) ones on the market and they don't hold up well at all.

**Maréchal des Logis Walter**

TFBTV has produced a fair few Turkish shotguns 500 rounds torture tests and I won't spoil it to you because it's a banger of a watch

**Commissar von Toussaint**

Grey Templar wrote:
Might be like when the US was testing the Maxim gun(I think). IIRC they fired it for like 2 weeks or something continuously, it never failed, and they only stopped the test because they ran out of ammo.

The Brits had the same experience with a Vickers gun. Ran for three days before they got bored.

I'm not much into torture tests or mud or stuff like that because it usually involves and artificially high level of abuse. If I drop a weapon in mud, I'm going to clean it as best I can before proceeding. I get the tolerance thing, but it should be somewhat realistic.

The videos where guns are blown up are more interesting because a KABOOM is more dramatic than a failure to feed.

**Maréchal des Logis Walter**

Well, truly, James Reeves' tests are about failures to feed rather than kaboom. Which is in a way refreshing. Although it strains it a bit too, because there's probably no way you'd shoot THAT many rounds in a single firing session I suppose, but straining the gun is part of the concept nonetheless.

It's still somewhat a show moreso than a review I'll agree.

**Grey Templar**

Well in practical terms you'd really be interested in that type of failure more than "what will make my gun explode?"

**cuda1179**

I purchased a Reminton 870 clone a number of years back. I've had exactly ONE problem with it. The follower in the tube was plastic. I know this was a cost-cutting measure, but it looks like the plastic was chemically melted by the solvent I used to clean the gun the last time I used it. Like, WTF? you used plastic that reacts to one of the most common cleaning solvents?

I ended up replacing it with a stainless steel one I found online for just a couple bucks, but the frustrating part was disassembling the gun and having to ram-rod a totally deformed plastic follower out of the magazine.

**Slowroll**

I keep a few rifle and pistol mags loaded, the majority of them are empty until needed for shooting trips.

Regarding shotgun torture tests, you might shoot that amount if you take a shotgun class. You probably want to bring something that will be reliable to avoid being "that" guy at the class, so those vids can be useful. When I was shopping for a shotgun one of those TFB testing videos was a factor in my purchase.

**Maréchal des Logis Walter**

I believe such classes are not a thing in France. Or at least I'm not aware of it.

I've just bought a cheap Turkish hatsan escort for tinkering purposes (again...) and it's cheap from the get go, while I did get it second hand I didn't expect the lever to wobble lol. I'll try fixing it and see what I can manage.

Plus redo some parts not over the worn camo paint from factory, I'll have to pounder how exactly I'll have my spray paint stick to that smooth as silk surface and older factory paint job without stripping it entirely somehow.

And the main part of it will be drilling and tapping a picatiny rail to slap a cheap red dot because giggles. But first, I'll have to shoot it to see if anything falls apart early and to end my other projects, that is the Reina reviving, the 22 single shot smlefthanded special custom, and the Beretta wooden side grips. Which is still a lot of work.

**Grey Templar**

Hmm, maybe an Acrylic Primer might make a good basecoat to apply the normal paint.

**Maréchal des Logis Walter**

Hope so! I fear the surface is so smoothe the primer might not stick either. But it's worth a try and the nice thing with this camouflage factory paint is it doesn't look like much from the box so nothing bad can really happen

**Commissar von Toussaint**

Grey Templar wrote:
Well in practical terms you'd really be interested in that type of failure more than "what will make my gun explode?"

What is useful there is seeing how it reacts to a catastrophic failure and what the margin of safety is. Turns out, ARs are designed with failure in mind. Overpressure will blow out the magazine, not send the bolt into your face. (Unlike that .50 cal. that almost killed Kentucky Ballistics.)

I just don't consider putting a bunch of rounds through something a torture test as checking reliability. Trying to see how it responds to overheating is different than trying to break it completely.

**Grey Templar**

True enough.

Kentucky's case was an interesting one for sure. In some ways, a rifle like that is more prone to catastrophic failure because its all or nothing. No moving parts, it either holds together or explodes.

**Maréchal des Logis Walter**

I'm proud to announce that the reina now works as intended and plinking with a 22 is great fun!

Now, the singl shot project on the other hand runs into somme trouble. The lifter that also seals the chamber and extracts apparently suffered at some point. i'll have to add matter to it and file it down until all stays in place properly and I can again force the cartridge out. If that don't work, I'll buy another one.

when i'm done with it I have got the turkish POS upgrade, the beretta grips, and... bought another auto 5 butt to make a shortened one for my GF who is slightly shorter than me. Adding new work just as I'm done with the first one lol

**Commissar von Toussaint**

Maréchal des Logis Walter wrote:
I'm proud to announce that the reina now works as intended and plinking with a 22 is great fun!

This is great news! Congratulations!

Now, the singl shot project on the other hand runs into somme trouble. The lifter that also seals the chamber and extracts apparently suffered at some point. i'll have to add matter to it and file it down until all stays in place properly and I can again force the cartridge out. If that don't work, I'll buy another one.

when i'm done with it I have got the turkish POS upgrade, the beretta grips, and... bought another auto 5 butt to make a shortened one for my GF who is slightly shorter than me. Adding new work just as I'm done with the first one lol

Yeah, win some lose some.

I made my first trip to the range yesterday and I was quite rusty. The FR-7 was not running well at all, and I now realize that the bolt is part of the problem. This is one of those situations where having two weapons using the same action is quite helpful because you can make an up-close comparison. Alas, my gunsmithing area is currently occupied by a large assortment of model railroading supplies I shall shortly be selling on ebay, so there there will be some delay in addressing the problem.

**easysauce**

cuda1179 wrote:
I purchased a Reminton 870 clone a number of years back. I've had exactly ONE problem with it. The follower in the tube was plastic. I know this was a cost-cutting measure, but it looks like the plastic was chemically melted by the solvent I used to clean the gun the last time I used it. Like, WTF? you used plastic that reacts to one of the most common cleaning solvents?

Stupid plastic bits where there should be proper metal bits to save a cent or three is one of my pet peeves.

**cuda1179**

Time for the absurd. Just found out there are commercially available 100 round double-drum mags available for 50BMG Beret rifles. Anyone feel like a $450 mag dump? Better be using a bipod, you're not carrying it.

**Grey Templar**

IDK where you are finding them "commercially available". All I found was a picture of it, but I can't find anything suggesting it isn't a prototype or one-off.

There is a 20 round aluminum drum that some company announced at shotshow awhile ago IIRC, its going to cost ~$1600.

**Commissar von Toussaint**

Grey Templar wrote:
IDK where you are finding them "commercially available". All I found was a picture of it, but I can't find anything suggesting it isn't a prototype or one-off.

There is a 20 round aluminum drum that some company announced at shotshow awhile ago IIRC, its going to cost ~$1600.

Firearms are now entering the absurdly expensive custom phase. I'm reminded of the 1980s, when suddenly mods became more standardized and widespread, and people just dumped money to get them. Before that, if you had money you either went with something classic like a Rolls or had to mod it yourself.

But in the 80s, you had people DEMANDING that sort of thing, and so we are with firearms.

Used to be a high-end gun was either old and collectible (Luger, 1911) or some German creation. Now people are doing the firearms equivalent of add glass packs, spoilers, spinning rims and jacking them up.

Talking to a friend the other day, we lamented the fact that we just don't go into gun stores anymore. It's just too disappointing. Now and again I'll drop in, but just to check the consignment area. New production just doesn't do it for me.

**Grey Templar**

Sure, you CAN go and buy some absurd custom AR that costs as much as a car, but the vast majority aren't doing that. Plenty of guns exist in the normal price ranges. You can get basic ARs for sub-$500 if you look around.

**Maréchal des Logis Walter**

Actually, but that might be cultural in a country of only hunters and range shooters, kitting firearms looks strange to me as most upgrade you'd slap on, at least the most expensive ones like lasers and powerful lights, look like tacticool show it off stuff, overpriced for the actual benefits you'll get from it. However I wonder to what extend the "militia" part of the second amendment may give you a different point of view on tactical gear? That could be extended to plate carrier though.

Besides, after commissar's comment... is there a dakka car thread yet??? Or else imma make one lol

**Grey Templar**

Lights and lasers definitely have a use.

I have a laser on my AUG as the backup to the LPVO on it. The laser is zero'd for 10 ft, mounted on the canted rail, and its purpose is for very close range aiming. IE: I don't have to look down the scope the aim if I have to clear my house. I can just hipfire if I need to. Thats basically the purpose of a laser, close CQB aiming.

Lights are useful for the same type of situation.

**cuda1179**

Well, didn't have this on my Bingo Card:

Hi Point is now making AR-15's. Looks to be fairly basic, with a quad-rail. According to them though, the MSRP will be "well under $500". Now, Hi Point has a pretty good warranty policy, so for that price point it may be worth it even if you have to send it in to be fixed.

If MSPR is under $500, you might be able to snag one for $400. Honestly? I'm tempted to get one for the giggles and make it my poverty-pony (or perhaps a gift for my son/daughter).

**Grey Templar**

I too am curious how well it will work.