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easysauce wrote: one thing for smoothbore hunting too, get the ammo with the insert that spins the slug, seems to help out a bit for me at longer shots
Huh?
A smooth bore cant spin a slug because it lacks rifling. Now, if you add a rifled choke tube to one, and fire a sabot slug, then you can add spin to the slug. What's the ammo you're talking about? Id really like to look into it.
you are correct, smooth bores cannot spin the ammo,
hence why I suggested rifled slugs
rifled slug ammo is specifically designed to impart spin onto the slug when using smooth bore shot guns, despite the lack of rifling in the barrel itself,
dont use it in a rifled shotgun though, wont blow up or anything, but most of the time the two sets of "rifling" grooves wont line up and it will throw you off target.
not sure about the state side hunting laws, but IIRC isnt a barrel extension with rifling a no go for smooth bore only hunting? not 100% sure on that.
box of truth is talking about sabots for the most part, only one of the bits on that test is actually dealing with rifled slugs down a smooth bore, which is what I am talking about.
not sure why, but lots of people seem to use the term sabot-ed rifled slug, and rifled slug, interchangeably, so its confusing as they are not exactly the same.
when he actually puts the "rifled slugs" downrange with the smooth bore shotty, he says this:
"Let’s compare that result to standard rifled slugs from this smooth bore.
46-16
We will first use the 11-87 with the smooth bore barrel.
The group was about a 5 inch group, and would have been a 2 to 3 inch group without the flier.
That’s pretty amazing in my opinion."
he does seem to get better performance out of rifled slugs and rifled barrel then I would think, cool to see
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Having been inspired by a recent post elsewhere, I think I have concluded my firearms plans, upon the completion of my current project (a slowly pieced together AR15) for the foreseeable future, I'm thinking over 2015 and 2016. It's something I would do this year but for lack of funds, though I may start with something on the cheap end if possible.
With the 100th anniversary of the start of first world war this week, I believe I will make it my goal to obtain the service rifle of each of the major WW1 powers.
This will include:
A: Gewehr 98 (not K98) [German]
B: Mosin Nagant M91 (I don't know if these are obtainable or if it's only 91/30's that are around) [Russian]
C: Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 (in 8x50R Mannlicher) [Austro-Hungarian]
D: 1886 Lebel [French]
E: SMLE Mk.III [British]
F: 1903 Springfield [U.S.]
I'm not sure if this will be a realisitc goal, I have a feeling the WW1 versions of some of these that were also used in WW2 may prove frustratingly difficult to find, the only ones I think that will be readily available are the SMLE MkIII and Springfield, though it may make getting a C&R FFL license worth it. I think the only other thing I may try to mix in there may be a Cx4 Carbine (to go with the Px4 pistol I've already got) or possibly a cheaper wood-furniture AK (as both of my current ones are synthetic stock models, but with people's insanity about Russian specific AK's I'm not sure what that will do to the market for Romanian/Yugo/Bulgarian/etc AK's), but we'll see how this starts to go.
Ultimately I may just have to knock it down to two or three and call it good.
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Just found an all matching 1941 Mosin at my local Cabela's in the "bargain rack" stock's a bit oily, no cosmoline clean up required and they gave me FOUR bayonets to go with her in case I got bored...
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Vaktathi wrote: Having been inspired by a recent post elsewhere, I think I have concluded my firearms plans, upon the completion of my current project (a slowly pieced together AR15) for the foreseeable future, I'm thinking over 2015 and 2016. It's something I would do this year but for lack of funds, though I may start with something on the cheap end if possible.
With the 100th anniversary of the start of first world war this week, I believe I will make it my goal to obtain the service rifle of each of the major WW1 powers.
This will include:
A: Gewehr 98 (not K98) [German]
B: Mosin Nagant M91 (I don't know if these are obtainable or if it's only 91/30's that are around) [Russian]
C: Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 (in 8x50R Mannlicher) [Austro-Hungarian]
D: 1886 Lebel [French]
E: SMLE Mk.III [British]
F: 1903 Springfield [U.S.]
I'm not sure if this will be a realisitc goal, I have a feeling the WW1 versions of some of these that were also used in WW2 may prove frustratingly difficult to find, the only ones I think that will be readily available are the SMLE MkIII and Springfield, though it may make getting a C&R FFL license worth it. I think the only other thing I may try to mix in there may be a Cx4 Carbine (to go with the Px4 pistol I've already got) or possibly a cheaper wood-furniture AK (as both of my current ones are synthetic stock models, but with people's insanity about Russian specific AK's I'm not sure what that will do to the market for Romanian/Yugo/Bulgarian/etc AK's), but we'll see how this starts to go.
Ultimately I may just have to knock it down to two or three and call it good.
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
1903's are sweet. Hyper accurate with a good barrel and action.
Enfields are awesome.
DOn't know about the other ones.
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Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
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Confirmed. Brought my Nagant home Tuesday night and immediately dug trenches in the yard and raised the Red Banner in defiance of the fascist oppressors. Also Nagants don't kick. They test your courage for the Motherland!
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
With the 100th anniversary of the start of first world war this week, I believe I will make it my goal to obtain the service rifle of each of the major WW1 powers.
This will include:
A: Gewehr 98 (not K98) [German]
B: Mosin Nagant M91 (I don't know if these are obtainable or if it's only 91/30's that are around) [Russian]
C: Steyr-Mannlicher M1895 (in 8x50R Mannlicher) [Austro-Hungarian]
D: 1886 Lebel [French]
E: SMLE Mk.III [British]
F: 1903 Springfield [U.S.]
Easier to get the K98 these days but the prices on both the Gew and the Kar have gone up. Still they are affordable and there is a nice 1898 on gun joker for $300, Kars are about the same price.
The Lebel will be interesting to find and will cost some dough, but the Springfield will probably be the most expensive.
The smile rifle will be pretty easy aswell, I just got a mk.III built in 1915 a couple months ago. It joined my other three Enfields in the safe.
As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
"Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to continue that counts."
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
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Confirmed. Brought my Nagant home Tuesday night and immediately dug trenches in the yard and raised the Red Banner in defiance of the fascist oppressors. Also Nagants don't kick. They test your courage for the Motherland!
They also don't go BOOM, they just raise their voice to sing praise to the motherland and to support every other Nagant in the neighboring counties...
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Add me to the jealous list also. I plan on getting one some point in the future.
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Add me to the jealous list also. I plan on getting one some point in the future.
you can go ahead and add me to the jelly list :(
those steyr augs are evil prohibited baby killing guns up here... which is sad because bull puls are just so damn awesome, but any bulpup kit is banned, and outside of the t97, the tavor, and maybe one or two others there isnt really any legal bullpups up here.
Hordini wrote: So you can have a Tavor in Canada but not an AUG? What's up with that?
same reason why they tried to ban AR_15s,
same reason why some .22lrs are banned because they look SLIGHTLY like an AK47..
yet things like the valmut (ak clone) are legal because some native bands had a decent # of them,
same reason why more then half of all pistols are banned (4.5"+ barrel = good, anything shorter = dead babies)
the anti gunners were trusted by the firarms community in good faith to only implement "common sense gun control" that increased public safety,
guess how that went :(
basically we have to fill out the equivelent to the forms you need in the states for class 3 weapons (i think thats the term) like silencers, SBR's, and full autos,
for all pistols and basically anything more then a standard hunting rifle/shotgun, but even some of those we have to go the extra mile to get, if we can get them at all.
Ruberu wrote: As for me I just got a Steyr Aug A3 on layaway last week, might be picking it up today. Got it for $700 below MSRP so I could not pass it up. Its use is pretty much eye candy. I've wanted one for a very long time and could not pass on the deal that was given to me.
Colour me jealous Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
Add me to the jealous list also. I plan on getting one some point in the future.
you can go ahead and add me to the jelly list :(
And one more. I've always loved bullpups. My dream is to have an FS2000 eventually....Maybe I can trade my girlfriend for one....
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
Nagants kick and are often difficult to open but the urge to invade Berlin will be strong.
1903's are sweet. Hyper accurate with a good barrel and action.
Enfields are awesome.
DOn't know about the other ones.
If you are going to get a Mosin Nagant (mine is a 91/30 model) I HIGHLY suggest getting a muzzle brake. Look into them though, there are some crap ones that will come loose and be hit by the next round fired, hurting the gun, and more importantly you.
These things WORK. They are high quality and easy to install. This, combined with a decent butt-pad or restocking will make any Mosin Nagant more than tame. Mine barely kicks at all. I'd say it's only about 30% as bad as before the brake/restocking.
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
My only experience is IDF friends who've used the military variant, and they get M16 accuracy out of their rifles. MAC is also a big fan of it, and they usually don't endorse anything unless it's solid.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
I think you're agreeing with me by by saying professional door-kickers like it
Well, I have to imagine at some point there's gonna be an aftermarket trigger anyway at which point I will reconsider. Even as-is I think it might be pretty solid for home defense if you have limited room for a longer rifle, and don't feel confident in a handgun.
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Flinty wrote: The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock
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I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
KingCracker posted this in another thread but it's relevant to your point so I'm reposting it here.
I dunno man. I coveted one right up until I had the money for one; and then I did some more research. It's good some pretty poor reviews for accuracy - it seems it has a bad trigger, so bad that it throws the aim off a bit. Still more than accurate enough for what it's made for - CQB - and if I was actually a kicking-in-doors type, it would be at the top of my list, but as a plinking\screwing around rifle? You can get AK accuracy for $500... just my 2 cents.
Trigger pull is like 12 lb out of the box. I believe Yimmey has or is making a kit for it. You can cut the springs to get it to 5lb as well, but if I'm paying an ungodly amount of money on a stock rifle I don't want to have to with it just to get it to shoot.
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-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Any plans to use an optic and modify the charging handle?
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with it just to get it to shoot.
