Firearms you own, and their uses.

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**Ouze**

Frazzled wrote:
Looks like the ATF just backed off the 5.56 ammo thing.

Not at all. What Kilo said, but 2014, not 2015.

**Frazzled**

Clarify?

**Ouze**

Frazzled wrote:Clarify?

Yeah. First there is the double secret "no sporting purpose" ban that was issued in 2012, and then hidden. The existence of that is, uh, the subject of some debate.

What is not debated is that the 2014 list of exemptions did not include M855, which was a subject of speculation. Kilo indicated the list was the 2015 list. Anyway, they claim this was an oversight, which it almost certainly was, because secret bans that don't remove anything from sale aren't bans in practice. But, derpers gonna derp.

The impending exemption removal, and subsequent ban, is very much on the table. The comment period is still going and will for I think another week, if I recall. Contact your legislators.

edit: one sentence, 3 typos. WTF.

**KiloFiX**

Yeah sorry - should have said 2014 not 2015

**Ouze**

Yeah, wasn't trying to be pedantic, but it seemed salient because there's a definite timeline to this and it's a bit confusing as is.

**KiloFiX**

@ouze - np, I had originally meant to say 2014 list posted man 2015 but somehow my mind truncated it.

Anyway, back to OT. Here's my "stays in truck" pistol.

HK45 and holster. It being .45, it has commonality with my carry 1911 but it's a little hardier for a truck gun. Pudding in glove box is my wife's contribution. If the sidearm doesn't work, I'll use the pudding.

**Vaktathi**

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**KingCracker**

I'd guess it's because it's a non game picture on the Dakka gallery. That's a no no

**KalashnikovMarine**

Got some new grips for my Smith and Wesson Model 19, much better then the rubber garbage she came with.

**Dreadclaw69**

That is a beautiful sidearm KM

**Spacemanvic**

Apparently, the US Senate believes that BATFE 2012 Sporting Purpose meeting took place (documents for which were "lost"):

Senator Lindsey Graham
Questions for the Record
Attorney General Holder

1) Currently, there is a ban on licensed firearm or ammunition manufacturers or importers selling armor piercing ammunition,” except for government use. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7). Broadly speaking, the term is defined to include projectiles that “may be used in a handgun” and that are made out of certain particularly hard metals, except for any projectile that “the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” See 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).
Today, several ammunition industry members have requests pending with ATF to exempt various types of bullets --especially non-toxic hunting bullets—under this provision. How many exemption requests are now pending? ATF currently has 17 requests from two ammunition manufacturers seeking exemption from the law to produce and sell to the general public armor piercing ammunition as defined under 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).

2) Currently, there is a ban on licensed firearm or ammunition manufacturers or importers selling “armor piercing ammunition,” except for government use. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7). Broadly speaking, the term is defined to include projectiles that “may be used in a handgun” and that are made out of certain particularly hard metals, except for any projectile that “the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” See 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).
Today, several ammunition industry members have requests pending with ATF to exempt various types of bullets --especially non-toxic hunting bullets—under this provision. What is the status of ATF’s review of the “sporting purposes” exemption?

ATF continues to formulate and evaluate a process by which it can consistently and fairly apply an objective test to exempt ammunition projectiles (constructed of a metal or metal compound that is defined as armor piercing ammunition) that are primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes, while not obviating the purpose of the Act designed to protect law enforcement officers from ammunition projectiles that may penetrate body armor. Once this process is complete, formal notification will proceed.

3) Currently, there is a ban on licensed firearm or ammunition manufacturers or importers selling “armor piercing ammunition,” except for government use. See 18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7). Broadly speaking, the term is defined to include projectiles that “may be used in a handgun” and that are made out of certain particularly hard metals, except for any projectile that “the Attorney General finds is primarily intended to be used for sporting purposes.” See 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17).

In November 2012, ATF held meetings with manufacturers, gun owners’ groups, and gun control groups to get their thoughts on how to apply the “sporting purposes” exemption, but neither the gun owners’ groups nor industry have heard anything further on the issue since. ATF has not responded to Freedom of Information Act requests on this process that were filed immediately after those meetings. When will pending FOIA requests on this matter be answered?

http://nssf.org/share/PDF/GR010314_SenGrahamATFQuestions.pdf

http://www.scribd.com/doc/195637473/Sen-Graham-s-Communication-to-the-Attorney-General-Regarding-Armor-Piercing-Ammo

**NuggzTheNinja**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:

Got some new grips for my Smith and Wesson Model 19, much better then the rubber garbage she came with.

Cool grips!

**Dreadclaw69**

Did the hard drive crash?

**Spacemanvic**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Did the hard drive crash?

Dunno, wonder if its the same outfit that tech supports Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton.....

**Dreadclaw69**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Dunno, wonder if its the same outfit that tech supports Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton.....

And the documents from Fast & Furious

**Spacemanvic**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
Dunno, wonder if its the same outfit that tech supports Lois Lerner and Hillary Clinton.....

And the documents from Fast & Furious

No way! They got Eric Holder's hard drive too?!!

**d-usa**

The Ammo ban thread was locked, for a good reason.

This thread has been a "no-gun-politics" zone per mutual agreement, for a good reason.

Everything should stay that way...

**Spacemanvic**

Dagnabbit, he's right!

So, anyone own/shoot an air rifle and can give recommendations? Currently in the market for one, and not sure which one to get....

**NuggzTheNinja**

Spacemanvic wrote:
Dagnabbit, he's right!

So, anyone own/shoot an air rifle and can give recommendations? Currently in the market for one, and not sure which one to get....

What are you buying it for?

AFAIK suppressors are legal on air rifles. I'd considered picking up a suppressed big bore air rifle for hunting.

**easysauce**

good air rifles are hard to find, the best makers have really long waiting lists I find.

Been looking for a large caliber hunting air rifle, akin to what lewis and clark had, except with all the modern tweeks.

**KingCracker**

There's a channel I subbed to on YouTube called Ted's Holdover and all he does is air rifles and review and DAMN can he shoot. So I'd suggest watching some of his videos, you'll find a few good suggestions on air rifles

**Ouze**

easysauce wrote:
Been looking for a large caliber hunting air rifle, akin to what lewis and clark had

So, I just read the wikipedia page for air rifles, surprised they went back so far, and oh snap, there is a lot of awesome stuff there.

**Dreadclaw69**

Anyone have any experience using Aguila mini shells in a pump shotgun?

**KingCracker**

I've heard they don't cycle for squat. But no hands on use though

**Spacemanvic**

NuggzTheNinja wrote:
Spacemanvic wrote:
Dagnabbit, he's right!

So, anyone own/shoot an air rifle and can give recommendations? Currently in the market for one, and not sure which one to get....

What are you buying it for?

AFAIK suppressors are legal on air rifles. I'd considered picking up a suppressed big bore air rifle for hunting.

Something to plink/train with, cheaper range time for now. Wouldnt mind using it for small game (rabbit, squirrel etc) as well as critter control.

**Ouze**

Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.

**Spacemanvic**

easysauce wrote:
good air rifles are hard to find, the best makers have really long waiting lists I find.

Been looking for a large caliber hunting air rifle, akin to what lewis and clark had, except with all the modern tweeks.

Those boutique kind of guns are pretty much out of my price range. Some of them are beautiful works of art, but still more than I can get past SWMBO. We carry Stoeger and Gamo at the shop, was hoping to get recommendations of other off the shelf brands I can access via my distributors. Firearms Im good with, air guns Im out of my element....

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Ouze wrote:
Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.

Once you go suppressed, you'll never want to go back.....

**KiloFiX**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Anyone have any experience using Aguila mini shells in a pump shotgun?

They cycled ok in my 870 but I've shot no more than 10. Some of my buddies say it depends on the shotgun and that it might be certain batches of shells that might have a quality problem.

I would never use them for game nor self defense though.

**Dreadclaw69**

Ouze wrote:
Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.

I hope it passes for you

KiloFiX wrote:
They cycled ok in my 870 but I've shot no more than 10. Some of my buddies say it depends on the shotgun and that it might be certain batches of shells that might have a quality problem.

I would never use them for game nor self defense though.

I've seen a few vids where they really don't cycle reliable in semi auto shotguns

**KiloFiX**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Iowa has a bill pending that would allow suppressors - right now it doesn't allow any NFA items. I'm pretty stoked on building some sort of subsonic rifle.

I hope it passes for you

KiloFiX wrote:
They cycled ok in my 870 but I've shot no more than 10. Some of my buddies say it depends on the shotgun and that it might be certain batches of shells that might have a quality problem.

I would never use them for game nor self defense though.

I've seen a few vids where they really don't cycle reliable in semi auto shotguns

I would expect them not to cycle in semi autos. Semi auto shotguns are very picky.

I had a Benelli M3 that would cycle ok with standard loads. Then I put a reflex sight in scout forward position on it and it started to fail to cycle. Then I moved the reflex sight backwards and it cycled again. And even then it wouldn't even reliable cycle the Federal Tactical (Light) loads.