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 KiloFiX wrote:
There's a newer model with a rail.

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/m9a1/

I originally started IDPA back in the 90s with a 92 without a rail but that specific pistol has since been 'retired'. At some point later I started using the G34, then for a time bought and competed with the newer version of the 92 (because I missed it), then went to the M&P9L. But last few years I've just been using my 1911.

What class? How did you deal with the DA/SA transition?

Sorry to interrupt the ongoing discussion, but I got a question for all you gun-folks.


So one of my grandfathers found an old broken revolver by the side of the road one day, and I've inherited it. It's got an octagonal barrel, 6 shots, centerfire, and from the markings and the safety hammer appears to be an H&R- but it's missing the bit that keeps the cylinder from falling out. It seems to be a .32 or so in calibre- definitely bigger than a .22 and I think smaller than a .44.

What ought I do with it? What sort of repairs would be needed, what's the bit that's missing (and where could I potentially find one on the cheap), etc. etc.

I got a buddy who's into guns, and occasionally takes me out to the range- I'd kinda like to have my own pistol for target shooting.

Take it to a gunsmith and ask.

 Frazzled wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
There's a newer model with a rail.

http://www.beretta.com/en-us/m9a1/

I originally started IDPA back in the 90s with a 92 without a rail but that specific pistol has since been 'retired'. At some point later I started using the G34, then for a time bought and competed with the newer version of the 92 (because I missed it), then went to the M&P9L. But last few years I've just been using my 1911.

What class? How did you deal with the DA/SA transition?

With the G34, M&P9L and Beretta 92, I did IDPA Stock Service Pistol. With the Beretta that meant chambered and decocked. It did NOT have to be decocked and safety on. So all that meant was that first pull would be longer. I got used to it but it was a big reason I eventually moved to the G34 (though for a period I went back to the 92 again just for fun). Apart from the first long trigger pull, the 92 was actually a good pistol for competition. It was accurate and I had very few malfunctions with it, as long as it was maintained and primarily the recoil springs and the slide lock replaced every so often.

With my 1911, I've been doing Single Stack IPSC (actually USPSA) and CDP IDPA.

Let me restate: expert, sharpshooter, what?

Ayah on the Beretta I love the SA. Its the second most accurate pistol I have and beats the tar out of plastic guns. But that DA/SA makes me put the first one in the ground. Strangely the Wife's Storm is a lot better DA/SA.

Its also a shame that SWMBO confiscated the 92 for personal use, and then GC confiscated the confiscation for HER personal use. Grrr.

@Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.

@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp

@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.

Anvildude wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the ongoing discussion, but I got a question for all you gun-folks.


So one of my grandfathers found an old broken revolver by the side of the road one day, and I've inherited it. It's got an octagonal barrel, 6 shots, centerfire, and from the markings and the safety hammer appears to be an H&R- but it's missing the bit that keeps the cylinder from falling out. It seems to be a .32 or so in calibre- definitely bigger than a .22 and I think smaller than a .44.

What ought I do with it? What sort of repairs would be needed, what's the bit that's missing (and where could I potentially find one on the cheap), etc. etc.

I got a buddy who's into guns, and occasionally takes me out to the range- I'd kinda like to have my own pistol for target shooting.

probably cheaper and safer to buy a new gun, that revolver is a great candidate for a wall hanger.

 KiloFiX wrote:
@Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.

@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp

@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.

I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....

 Frazzled wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
@Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.

@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp

@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.

I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....

yeah, I think getting used to the mags + belts/holsters and so on is something that takes a while to get used too.

We have some three gun stages up here where you have to use all three, pistol, rifle, shotgun, on the same course, some can go 30 pistols, 15 shotgun, 30+ rifle shots (and this is IF you hit every shot)

I used to feel like having 5+ pistol mags on my belt was a lot, esp since its .45, but add on two 4X4 shotgun caddies, and put a chest rig over top of that with a few extra shells/mags in the dump pouch, and wow... do you get a workout!

Its a lot of fun though, glad you are getting into USPSA, wish we had more of that up here as its a really well run system IMO.

If they ever do steel challenge matches, I highly recommend those as well, they are internationally done, so its a good way to see how you measure up compared to a larger pool of competitors.

 Frazzled wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
@Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.

@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp

@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.

I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....

Nice, what firearm are you using for Production?

On long courses I might end up with 4 or 5 magazines on the belt, 1 in the gun. 4 for the course, 1 or 2 in case of malfunction. I find that no matter where you start out, getting to B class is very fast. Then A takes a little work.

 KiloFiX wrote:


@KalashnikovMarine - Classics, can't beat 'em.

Right? I love my two old pistols (the revolvers. The big model 19 is an early model from the late 60s, which is right before S&W took a slight quality dive so lucky me) and my old school 1911A1 has served me faithfully in the shittiest conditions and with crap Ruskie steel case ammo. The most modern pistol I have is the Israeli Jericho, and you can't go wrong with a CZ-75 clone.

 KiloFiX wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 KiloFiX wrote:
@Nuggz - Oww, simunition still hurts. Yeah from my experience, it doesn't matter how dirty an AR is, it'll keep running if it lubricated enough.

@Anvil - Sounds like the Cylinder Base Pin or the Culinder Retaining Pin but I'm not familiar with H&R myself. Try contacting them directly:
http://hr1871.com/about/contactus.asp

@Frazzeled - I usually end up towards the top end of SS but on good years I'll make EX. I usually go through in excess of 10,000 rounds a year in training. You'd think I'd be comfortably in EX with that but so many other 'zen' things seem to impact me at that point. Focus is what I need.

I am not worthy! Just started USPSA myself (production), not enough runs to qualify yet. Man you have to carry a lot of mags if you're production....

Nice, what firearm are you using for Production?

On long courses I might end up with 4 or 5 magazines on the belt, 1 in the gun. 4 for the course, 1 or 2 in case of malfunction. I find that no matter where you start out, getting to B class is very fast. Then A takes a little work.

M&PL. In the semi-liquid environment that is the Texas Gulf Coast, me likey stainless steel.

I will just leave this here for you all to peruse.....
http://xm42.com/

Not a real flamethrower, in the traditional sense.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Not a real flamethrower, in the traditional sense.

Still, might be handy for the BBQ. Just needs a rail attachment, fore grip and ....maybe a red dot sight.

Nah, laser sight it.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Not a real flamethrower, in the traditional sense.

How is that not a flamethrower? I see flame, I see it being thrown...

Are you specifying that Flamethrowers can only throw Napalm? Or that they can only be gas-fueled?

A real flamethrower is throwing napalm. If I can't use it to clear an IJA Pillbox on Iwo Jima circa the 1940s, it's just a giant novelty lighter.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
A real flamethrower is throwing napalm. If I can't use it to clear an IJA Pillbox on Iwo Jima circa the 1940s, it's just a giant novelty lighter.

That tank on the back is a real nice target to

It werfs flammen, good enough for me!

So, dumb question here.

If you're setting up a holo scope to cowitness with iron sights, and you do a lower third cowitness, the dot moves with your eye, right? So that would make the best setup, as far as clutter, for fixed iron sights?

If you're using folding iron sights, then is an absolute cowitness the way to go?


... technically that was a series of questions.

Frazzled made Sharpshooter even after screwing up the 3rd stage. Hah hah!

 Ouze wrote:
So, dumb question here.

If you're setting up a holo scope to cowitness with iron sights, and you do a lower third cowitness, the dot moves with your eye, right? So that would make the best setup, as far as clutter, for fixed iron sights?

If you're using folding iron sights, then is an absolute cowitness the way to go?


... technically that was a series of questions.

Yes on all counts. If your irons are already zeroed, a true cowitness lets you get on paper with your holo much easier. Also usually better for cheek weld given the zero.

 Frazzled wrote:
Frazzled made Sharpshooter even after screwing up the 3rd stage. Hah hah!

Grats man!

Edit - for some reason, the barrel is the thing that will flummox me even though it's closer, lol.

 Frazzled wrote:
Frazzled made Sharpshooter even after screwing up the 3rd stage. Hah hah!

Well done

 Frazzled wrote:
Frazzled made Sharpshooter even after screwing up the 3rd stage. Hah hah!

Awesome sauce and good on you!!

I have difficulties kneeling down which the third set does with shooting around a barrel. As the daughter said "Dad kneels to no man!" (because Dad can't get back up.)

 Ouze wrote:
So, dumb question here.

If you're setting up a holo scope to cowitness with iron sights, and you do a lower third cowitness, the dot moves with your eye, right? So that would make the best setup, as far as clutter, for fixed iron sights?

If you're using folding iron sights, then is an absolute cowitness the way to go?


... technically that was a series of questions.

Its really a matter of preference.

Either fixed or folded, I run mine cowitness on all my ARs.

After a while, you dont notice the front post. With a red dot, you shoot with both eyes open, so you should only see the red dot on the target as your vision kind of "dissolves" the distraction of the iron sights or red dot housing. Besides, the irons are there in case my red dot stops working.

I do exact co witness too.

The only quirk is I like to keep a bomb proof fixed non-folding front sight, with a folding rear sight.

Reason is that I had a day when my EoHolo went down and my front sight broke under heavy use during training class. I'm slightly paranoid now.