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There are some pretty great upper receiver replacements for MAC-11's and 10's that function and look way better than the originals, they just are about $800 on their own however.
That said, if one were looking to get into entry level machineguns, a 9mm Mac-11 with a LAGE upper would be sweet.
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I bought my MPA30 (mac-11 clone in 9mm) while it was on sale on grabagun.com. It was only $330 at the time. Side cocker, 6 inch barrel, adjustable sights, railed top, enlarged grip, enlarged mag release, underside picatinny rail forward of the trigger, and a threaded barrel. I added a muzzle brake on it just for the look, but it does work great.
I think that the biggest thing this gun brings to the table is reliability. I have intentionally tried to jam this thing. I have mixed mags with hollow points, FMJ, lead round nose, reloads, brass case, steel case, aluminum case, +p rounds (it's rated for it), and every combination you can think of. It has chewed-up and spit it all out. It has never jammed in any weather condition from -10 degrees to 110 degrees.
I've been thinking of either getting the carbine upper for it or just getting a whole new gun, hard to decide.
cuda1179 wrote: While in theory I like the idea of a Kriss Vector, the money issue is huge. Frankly, I'd rather get something from Masterpiece Arms. For the price of one Kriss Vector you can have three MPA mac-11 or Mac-10 style pistols or rifles. Unlike other clones of the Mac 11 or Mac-10 Masterpiece arms actually produces a quality product.
I have one of their Mac-11 clones in 9mm. It is a wonderfully tough gun and remarkably accurate. While not quite as easy as the Kriss Vector to break down it is still simple. If you want Sten Mags they are still cheap and in abundance. They also make a version that accepts Glock Mags.
You just have to accept that you look like an 80's gangster when you shoot one.
There is a lot to be said about the M11, and I really like them. However the money part is not a huge problem for me, so the Vector is in my list. Collecting guns is a huge hobby of mine and I don't skimp out on something I really want. I do plan to get a M11 in the foreseeable future but mine will run somewhere between $4000-$5000. As Vaktathi has mentioned, the M11 is a great stepping stone into the MG world. Many buy M11s so they can have their fun, legal full auto, then when they save up some extra cash they sell it to buy something along the lines of a FNC for $9000-$15000. Then you can sell it to buy a $20000 HK full auto sear.
Masterpiece Arms makes some surprisingly quality firearms. They are the MKE of the MP5 world. They both make good quality products for way less then the originals or the guys who use real parts on real equipment.
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Masterpiece has had some quality control issues. However, most of the problems you will see from the semi auto M11s and the semi auto Uzi are because the guns were originally designed to fire from an open bolt in full auto. To make it legal for the civilian market companies has to completely redesign the gun to shoot from a closed bolt. Most of the problems in reviews are thing you will see in most all semi auto SMGs, for instance, my Auto Ordnance Thompson. They tend to jam a lot which is normal because the magazines have light springs. Sometimes they fail to extract other times they get light primer strikes because the gun was designed to have the weight of the bolt hit the primer as well.
This is why I like Parabellum Combat Systems over MKE for MP5s. Most of the problems with the cheaper after market version is because the company does not take the time to refine the firearm and fit it to accept the semi auto configuration. This is also why I built my own Uzi over buying one of the Century Arms or Vector Arms versions. The Kriss Vector is a new firearm made by Kriss itself. That's why you pay $1500 dollars for one. Same with the CZ Evo, the companies are still producing new firearms and taking the time to make them right.
When I say that Masterpiece and MKE make surprisingly quality, I mean that the guns looks good and are good plinkers, fun range toys. They are not guns I would use for a real life defense situation.
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Ruberu wrote: The other option is to get a Living Trust Agreement, which is what I did. At the current moment the Trust lets you file your tax stamp online and waves the finger prints and photo. That is going to change in July this year. You also file the Form 1 as a Corporation rather than an individual which gives you some benefits. The Trust allows you to have more than one person on file so they all can legally use the item, no one owns the NFA item, the Trust owns it so make sure you trust the people on the Trust. People can also be added or removed whenever you want. A Trust also protects the NFA item if something were to happen to you, any other person on the list can take possession of the item so you don't lose it. As an individual, if something were to happen to you the item would be confiscated since you are the only one on the registered tax stamp.
Are those sites that charge you $80 to set it up worth it, or is it some simple paperwork you can do yourself?
Ouze wrote: Iowa is going to legalize suppressors tomorrow, it looks like, so it's time for me to play the ATF fun-a-coaster game.
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I know you have to pay that tax-stamp... but, does it need to be *registered* with the ATF as well?
Yes, the serial numbers are registered. As a matter of fact, I believe step 1 of buying a suppressor as an individual is purchasing the suppressor so you can put the serial number on the paperwork; but you can't take physical ownership until it's all done, it must remain with the dealer.
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Ruberu wrote: The other option is to get a Living Trust Agreement, which is what I did. At the current moment the Trust lets you file your tax stamp online and waves the finger prints and photo. That is going to change in July this year. You also file the Form 1 as a Corporation rather than an individual which gives you some benefits. The Trust allows you to have more than one person on file so they all can legally use the item, no one owns the NFA item, the Trust owns it so make sure you trust the people on the Trust. People can also be added or removed whenever you want. A Trust also protects the NFA item if something were to happen to you, any other person on the list can take possession of the item so you don't lose it. As an individual, if something were to happen to you the item would be confiscated since you are the only one on the registered tax stamp.
Are those sites that charge you $80 to set it up worth it, or is it some simple paperwork you can do yourself?
Ouze wrote: Iowa is going to legalize suppressors tomorrow, it looks like, so it's time for me to play the ATF fun-a-coaster game.
?
I know you have to pay that tax-stamp... but, does it need to be *registered* with the ATF as well?
Yes, the serial numbers are registered. As a matter of fact, I believe step 1 of buying a suppressor as an individual is purchasing the suppressor so you can put the serial number on the paperwork; but you can't take physical ownership until it's all done, it must remain with the dealer.
The paper work is fairly simple. I had a local law attorney set all of it up for me. I figured it was the safest way to ensure everything was done correctly.
Also, you are correct about the second part. You buy the suppressor and the Form 4 is filled with that suppressors serial number. Most of the places in my area that stock suppressors are also ranges so I can shoot my suppressor as much as I want, I just can't take it home until the tax stamp clears.
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I doubt it helps with accuracy. It does help when you need to cull wild boar. You can get a few before the rest take off as opposed to one BANG, one dead hog and the rest scattering.
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whembly wrote: Does the suppressors help with accuracy in your experience? Or, is it simply a luxury to shoot those weapons w/o the need for ear protection?
I wear hearing aids, so I don't need ear protection. I'll simply turn it off.
They don't really help with accuracy. From a handgun point of view they do help out a lot with follow up shots. The suppressor reduces the felt recoil making it easier to stay on target. My whole reason for suppressors is to not disturb the neighbors when we are shooting at my friends farm, his neighbor is anti gun and calls the cops on us.
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Ruberu wrote: My whole reason for suppressors is to not disturb the neighbors when we are shooting at my friends farm, his neighbor is anti gun and calls the cops on us.
Maybe his neighbour needs to be charged with wasting police time then, rather than making you guys go through time and expense to persue a hobby you have every right to do on private property outside of city limits.
whembly wrote: Does the suppressors help with accuracy in your experience? Or, is it simply a luxury to shoot those weapons w/o the need for ear protection?
I wear hearing aids, so I don't need ear protection. I'll simply turn it off.
They don't really help with accuracy. From a handgun point of view they do help out a lot with follow up shots. The suppressor reduces the felt recoil making it easier to stay on target. My whole reason for suppressors is to not disturb the neighbors when we are shooting at my friends farm, his neighbor is anti gun and calls the cops on us.
Hey, I just noticed that you are in Omaha. I'm about 50 miles north-east of you. Ever care to get together and either throw some dice or spray out a couple thousand rounds of ammo?
I paid around two hundred bucks for mine, in outstanding condition. But mine didn't come with all the original goodies and the Imperial Seal is half-grounded off.
Thats how you got it for only $200
Original monopod, AA sights, cleaning rod and intact mum command a premium.
My Type 38 must have been new when grandpa grabbed it as a war trophy. Forget mum stamp, this still has the dust cover over the bolt, which was one of the first things to go (has a nasty tendency to catch your fingers if you work the action quickly, which led to them being frequently discarded in the field)
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Finally got to the range to christen my M&P9C. Shot 400 rounds of FMJ American Eagle in one sitting. She performed flawlessly; no failure to feeds, no FTE, no stove pipes. The guys at the range were cool too it was quiet so they were not enforcing time limits, and I had a free pass to use too. I did find out that the large backstrap was better for my grip.
Very cool, my last handgun trip unfortunately ended very strangely. My PX4 hiccuped on like every 3rd round. Never had a single failure in that gun before, turns out it just really doesn't like Blazer Brass 9mm. Worked just fine with the steel-cased Winchester I brought.
EDIT:
Wow, how did I forget...
The Form 1 finally came back!
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Aye, that's the only way to get the factory folding stock currently.
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Vaktathi wrote: Very cool, my last handgun trip unfortunately ended very strangely. My PX4 hiccuped on like every 3rd round. Never had a single failure in that gun before, turns out it just really doesn't like Blazer Brass 9mm. Worked just fine with the steel-cased Winchester I brought.
Ouze wrote: Iowa is going to legalize suppressors tomorrow, it looks like, so it's time for me to play the ATF fun-a-coaster game.
Awesome!
A suppressor has long been on my list of stuff to buy for my rifle, but I've just never got around to actually doing it.
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Got a Remngron 597 in an Archangel Stock at the weekend from my father in law. Tacticool .22 for the lulz! Looking forward to taking it to the range and putting a few hundred rounds through it, should be a fun blaster
Nostromodamus wrote: Got a Remngron 597 in an Archangel Stock at the weekend from my father in law. Tacticool .22 for the lulz! Looking forward to taking it to the range and putting a few hundred rounds through it, should be a fun blaster
I zeroed a red dot sight for our Colt Rimfire/Walther .22LR M4 Ops this past weekend and my 13 year old daughter blasted through 120 rounds. Got one of these:
The targets are about 2.5 inches and she was nailing them shot after shot at 25 meters (safe distance for the target). She really enjoyed it.
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Dreadclaw69 wrote: Finally got to the range to christen my M&P9C. Shot 400 rounds of FMJ American Eagle in one sitting. She performed flawlessly; no failure to feeds, no FTE, no stove pipes. The guys at the range were cool too it was quiet so they were not enforcing time limits, and I had a free pass to use too. I did find out that the large backstrap was better for my grip.
Run about 600 rounds through it and the trigger will smooth out big time.
Note: full size mags also work very well with an M&Pc. They also have grip pads that slip on and replicate the full size grip of an M&P when you use it.
If I were carrying I'd note I have the mag with the pinkie extension loaded, with a full size spare with the grip pad.
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I'll simply turn it off. 
I'd note I have the mag with the pinkie extension loaded, with a full size spare with the grip pad.